― Keith Watson (kmw), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:18 (twenty years ago) link
― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:18 (twenty years ago) link
I like N on 60s / 80s.
The booklet thing is mysterious to me. My key booklet was Reynolds' Smiths. I don't get Ewing's post - is it a parody?
I think N is kind of wrong about Lost Classics. I don't know More Specials or Don't Stand Me Down. And Tim H possibly doesn't know Don't Get Weird On Me Babe.
So - there are many knowledges. I have said before what may or may not be true: there is no consensus, at least not one that everyone belongs to.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:21 (twenty years ago) link
This book(let) sounds great, as does the idea of ten years ago.
I read about this record in The Guinness Book of Rock'n'Roll Obscurities a few years ago, which paid special attention to his velevt loons on the back cover, and have been waiting to hear it ever since, hence my disappointment. I bought the White Light AKA Gene Clark reissue a few months ago and didn't listen to it much, but I listened to it the other day and thought it was great, which restored my faith in excessive record buying. Perhaps No Other will grow on me too. This thread will certainly help me enjoy the album, because every time I hear I will think of you lot fingering your free booklet ten years ago. But not even that will help me enjoy the line, "we all need a fix at times like this".
I don't know whether it's a coincidence or not, but I was a bit disappointed by Don't Stand Me Down too, although I thought the sleevenotes were great. What did Hungry Beat say? I like that song where he witters on about going for a walk with his girlfriend and the 'I Love You' one. I think I'll eventually like all of it. I like More Specials.
Thank you for your contributions.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link
record i bought thx to book: Presencerecords in book i meant to get but still haven't: soft boys, beefheart
― zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:31 (twenty years ago) link
I have only ever wanted to re-listen to 2 songs, 'Strength of Strings' & 'Some Misunderstanding' and those not very often at that.
I think I must be some kind of pervert - when I bought a CD of The Byrds 'Untitled' I must have played the live bits about 15 times in a row.
Peter, maybe you could enjoy the fact that Allman Brothers Band drummer Butch Trucks is on it?
― Mooro (Mooro), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:32 (twenty years ago) link
(That's a made-up name, isn't it?)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:37 (twenty years ago) link
I think anyway - it was 10 years ago. Someone who's still got the book can perhaps correct me.
"Mooro"! Good to hear from you... Could you recommend me a good Allman Brothers' LP - I bought one a while back (Brothers and sisters) and I thought it was a bit rubbish.
― Keith Watson (kmw), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:37 (twenty years ago) link
car crash - everyone's in DEEP PAIN for one reason or another - you can hear it in the music, maaan
(writer = mat snow? or matt black, summat like that.)
― zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Keith Watson (kmw), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:43 (twenty years ago) link
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:46 (twenty years ago) link
Keith: 'Brothers & Sisters' is pooh because both Duane & Berry had died in road accidents by then, thus robbing the band of the majority of its talent. (Sadly I never got to see them until this period.) I would go for 1971's 'Live At The Fillmore East' of which I have 3 versions, 1992's CD issue 'The Fillmore Concerts' collecting up tracks issued on other albums to clock in a few seconds short of a mighty 2 and a quarter hours of twin howling Les Paul/twin drummer bliss. The tones Duane extracts from his guitar during the nearly 34 minutes jam (OK, there's a lot of bollocks drum solo) on Donovan's 'There Is A Mountain' are sublime.
― Mooro (Mooro), Thursday, 14 August 2003 17:11 (twenty years ago) link
Well for me it was one of the first record's I got where I learned to stop being an uptight jerk and love the 80's (again)
― Michael B, Thursday, 14 August 2003 17:24 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 14 August 2003 17:29 (twenty years ago) link
There's a terrific midprice A+M CD that collects the two Dillard and Clark albs on one CD - the first D+C rec, 'Fantastic Expedition', is in particular a v. superfine country-rock rec, and contains my single fave Gene Clark song, "Why Not Your Baby", a stone classic
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 14 August 2003 23:13 (twenty years ago) link
No Other did improve a bit on second listen.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 15 August 2003 08:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Tim (Tim), Friday, 15 August 2003 08:33 (twenty years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 15 August 2003 08:47 (twenty years ago) link
that's the dealbreaker right there
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 15 August 2003 08:54 (twenty years ago) link
― zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 15 August 2003 10:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:00 (twenty years ago) link
― 57 7th (calstars), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link
Apparently Gene did enough songs for a 2-lp set. Have they been wiped??
― Bumfluff, Monday, 22 November 2004 00:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― JaXoN (JasonD), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 22 November 2004 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 22 November 2004 03:09 (nineteen years ago) link
Don't think they ever made it to the recording stage.
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 22 November 2004 03:16 (nineteen years ago) link
Does Gene only seem to be better than Gram Parsons because of Parsons fatigue brought on by his over-adoring fans? Or is he actually better? Will Gene fans eventually make us tire of him too?
― Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 22 November 2004 03:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 22 November 2004 04:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 22 November 2004 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:01 (nineteen years ago) link
There was that great quote during the early days of the Byrds, someone complaining that Clark hadn't written a song for while, when they still depended on him, and Crosby says something like "oh don't worry, that girl he's seeing will split and he'll write something."
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 22 November 2004 06:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link
(PS / Nothing against O.Nate - I've met him, he's fine.)
― the bellefox, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Da Na Not! (donut), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― the bellefox, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 10:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link
Beacause of this thread, No Other is one of my fave records. But I'm wondering if the sound on the reissue w/bonus jams is that much better than the previous CD reissue.
― QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link
whoah - this record!
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link
I am totally repping for "From a Silver Phial" on my show tonight. What a chorus!
― Simon H., Tuesday, 15 January 2008 19:33 (sixteen years ago) link
hella sparehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3kb-FB_08M
― bear, bear, bear, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link
whoah
― The Everybody Buys 1000 Aerosmith Albums A Month Club (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
rick danko on bass! also check the eight miles high from that same performance (though the tape is glitched to fuck). there's a very nice solo version of silver raven from the 1978 mcguinn, clark and hillan tour of nz/australia performed in wellington up on youtube as well.
― no lime tangier, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
^hillman, too.
― no lime tangier, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Wikipedia says the rumour about No Other originally being a double album has been debunked.
My takeaway from the John Einarson biography of Clark was that, when he had to struggle and persevere, he would discipline himself and take care of both his health and his music. It was when he had success that both spiralled out of control. The book basically says that the sudden influx of royalties from Tom Petty's cover of I'll Feel a Whole Lot Better killed him.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 1 November 2020 20:46 (three years ago) link
Love this album and bought the big box set, but got impatient waiting for it to arrive and so downloaded all the tracks, so never opened it. Feels a little silly...
― Soundslike, Sunday, 1 November 2020 21:14 (three years ago) link
it's def 'no other' season
had this and 'I want to see the bright lights tonight' on repeat lately
― ||||||||, Sunday, 1 November 2020 21:25 (three years ago) link
More than half of Clark's solo discography is collaborations, duets and shared billings. I have no doubt that Clark himself was responsible for some of that -- as noted, that Einarson biography suggests he really couldn't handle success, so it's probably not a coincidence that his releases, for various reasons, didn't really put him out front. But it's still a total bummer that his talent was hidden, buried or subjugated on so many of his releases.
I've probably made this comparison elsewhere on ILM, but here's an example of what he was writing:
https://youtu.be/TGZwfdm-1N0
And here's what actually came out:
https://youtu.be/yMg4exR2ypU
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:09 (three years ago) link
Wow, never heard that McGuinn, Clark & Hillman stuff. Thats a pretty stunning side by side comparison.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link
As well as collaborators watering down songs that did get released, it's also bewildering how many good songs he apparently just discarded. The Gene Clark Sings For You album of late 60s demos probably was not releasable at the time, but it's strange that he just walked away from those songs (presumably because he'd written a new batch), never to return to them. Maybe it's better than having 1979 disco versions of those songs, though.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:52 (three years ago) link
You can slather Gene in as much disco yacht rock pop vibes as you want but he still shines through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igqn8iSH4lc
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link
I read a volume (and a half) of those giant Byrds books but I can't remember...why not bill McGuinn Clark & Hillman as The Byrds?
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:55 (three years ago) link
The late 70s were a time when many "legacy" acts wanted to keep an arm's length from their past, especially if their popularity had dwindled since 1966. "We're not doing that anymore, we're doing this!" (cue funky guitars)
Also, though McGuinn owned the name, they might not have wanted to antagonize Crosby.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 16:14 (three years ago) link
I doubt any of them had any qualms about antagonizing David Crosby.
― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link
Crosby was the only one who had been on any kind of a hit record in the previous five years, at least. They may have wanted to save the Byrds brand for a "complete" reunion.
Alternately, the 1973 reunion was such a critical and commercial washout that no-one thought that calling a new project "The Byrds" was any kind of enticement for record buyers.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link
Not to mention McGuinn made plenty of post-original lineup Byrds albums that were all commercial failures. They may have simply viewed the name as toxic to success.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link
The real missed opportunity was for the 1990 box – all five original members were still alive but they only got Mcguinn, Hillman and Crosby to record new stuff – IIRC bc no one wanted to deal with Gene or Mike.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 23:10 (three years ago) link
Did the box set situation have something to do with Clark and/or Clarke touring and billing themselves as The Byrds at certain shows?
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 23:34 (three years ago) link
This is often the best album in the world ever. I've bought a bunch of other Gene albums since getting to know this one. His other stuff is great, but this is an off the scale mind blowing amazing album.
― Duke, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 01:02 (three years ago) link