the Stranglers: Classicinblack or Dudinblack

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...and Princess of the Streets, Burning up Time, The Man they Love to Hate, Thrown Away, Eurpoean Female, Nice in Nice, Ugly, Dagenham Dave, some of Curfew, Threatened, Death and Night and Blood amongst others.

Keith Watson (kmw), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

True'dat. Apparently, JJ doesn't sing anymore. Not only that, but "new guy" Paul now sings his old songs when they play live. Odd, that.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Stranglers = UK version of Styx? (Check out "Miss America")

dave q, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Interesting. On London Lady, Go Buddy Go, Choosey Suzie and 5 Minutes Burnel sings like Cornwell, and on La Folie, European Female, Nice in Nice and even Princess of the Streets, he sings like... well, himself.
The "Hugh" voice is raucous and self-confident, while the "J.J." voice is softer and far less sure of itself.
When you consider that J.J. hero-worshipped Hugh, at least in the early days of the band, the dichotomy appears to gain striking psychological significance.

Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

> Stranglers = UK version of Styx?

Christ almighty. Men have been hung for less.

Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Stranglers = UK version of Styx? (Check out "Miss America")

Dave, if it had been anyone other that youself who said this.....they'd be dead now.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Who sang on Paradise (from Feline)? It sounds like an old age pensioner, but could it be Greenfield?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 06:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you sure it's Burnel singing "Dagenham Dave"? The monologue in the middle is definitely Hugh Cornwell.

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 08:37 (nineteen years ago) link

"Stranglers = UK version of Styx?"

Styx released a series of great albums in the late '70's / early '80's?!?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 09:26 (nineteen years ago) link

_Rattus Norvegicus_ and _The Raven_ made several of my days as 17yr old new wave amateur, back in 89 or so.
I know its extremely unhip but i like also some of the goofier moments on the _Meninblack_ album. The esoteric plot is ridicolously sublime.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 09:30 (nineteen years ago) link

"Meninblack" has some good stuff on it. Even "La Folie" has its moments.

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 09:33 (nineteen years ago) link

The Gospel According to the Meninblack was, I think, one of the first proper LPs of theirs I ever bought (having only heard compilations and singles prior to that) and it was a bit of a mind-blower. On the one hand, it was refreshing to hear a band that were genuinely doing something different, but, like Marco says, there is some unhomogenized goofiness abounding on that record. That said, I think "Just Like Nothing On Earth", "Manna Machine" and the prolonged intro to "Hallow to Our Men" are fucking amazing. The live version of "Just Like Nothing..." on BBC Sessions: Live at the Hammersmith Odeon `81 is a much gruffer, beefier incarnation, with JJ's bass well to the fore. Highly recommended.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:42 (nineteen years ago) link

come sail away porky meat!

dave q, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link

hahahahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:59 (nineteen years ago) link

For all its shortcomings, _Meninblack_ is one of the most amusingly unbalanced albums ever made. Obviously critics and fans didn't know what to with it, except for throwing it in the nearest trash bin. They were wrong: it can be unfocused an sometimes sloppy, but it is wrapped in such an impenetrable aura.
"Just like nothing on Earth" is an absolute highlight in their discography, and I really love the way (in albums like this one and _The Raven_) they were drifting in this dark, obtuse fairyland totally their own.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I have to concur on The Gospel According to the Meninblack -- even after the unsettling forebodings of The Raven, it was such a bizarre left turn that it took awhile to catch up to. In time, it became one of my favorites. How closely did it coincide with Hugh's arrest and the band's "health problems"?

briania (briania), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

"Dear mama I can hear you a crying/ You're so scared and all alone/ Hangman is coming down from the gallows/ And I don't have very long" vs "Christ he told his mother/ Christ he told her not to bother/ Cos he's alright in the city/ He's high above the ground/ He's just hanging around"

dave q, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Dave, I believe you have milked dry that particular cow of comedy.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

cows are beefy meat hahaha!

dave q, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Nothing goes with the porky meat of human flesh like Ore-Ida crinkle cut french fries. They're golden brown, you know!

briania (briania), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link

"BRING ON THE NU-FRIES, BRING ON THE NU-FRIES!"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

God I love the Stranglers.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

"Five Minutes" -- currently playing very, very loudly out of my computer -- is an absolutely perfect song. I mean it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

JJ sings on Paradise...

The Raven and the Meninblack do co-incide with the band's "health problems" as you put it, plus Hugh's stint in Jail.

Kevin, yeah I think you're right about the monologue in Dagenham Dave, but the rest is definitely JJ.

Keith Watson (kmw), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

JJ definately sings "something better change"
I'm not even going to comment on the stranglers=styx rubbish
one of the few original bands
of the last 25 years
and i still listen to them frequently

Tim Dixon, Thursday, 9 September 2004 10:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I like No More Heroes & Aural sculpture a lot!!! I need more Stranglers.

Queen Electric Butt Prober BZZT!! BZZZZZT!! (Queen Electric Butt Prober BZZ), Thursday, 9 September 2004 11:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Do they have more songs like "North Winds Blowing"? That song is very pretty for being so doomy. Classic!

Queen Electric Butt Prober BZZT!! BZZZZZT!! (Queen Electric Butt Prober BZZ), Thursday, 9 September 2004 11:16 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Someone buy this for me please:

http://www.stranglers.co.uk/images/tablebig.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 13 November 2004 08:30 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
did they ever do another 'pop moment' like Skin Deep?
what a geat song that is!

piscesboy, Sunday, 4 September 2005 10:30 (eighteen years ago) link

"Always The Sun" was a sublime pop moment. And Piscesboy, if you have never heard the long 12-inch version of skindeep, seek it out. it's great.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 4 September 2005 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link

They did a lot. After "The Meninblack" they made a lot of perfect pop songs.

zeus, Sunday, 4 September 2005 11:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Seek ye "Golden Brown".

Their last album, despite still not having Hugh on it, Norfolk Coast, had some surprisingly damn fine moments on it as well.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 4 September 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

One of my favourite Stranglers songs is 'Ice Queen'. Also like 'Strange Little Girl', 'European Female' or 'Everybody Loves You When You're Dead'. These were great pop moments too.

zeus, Sunday, 4 September 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Agreed. "Ice Queen" is absolute genius (oof, that organ hook!)

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 4 September 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

It should have been a single, instead of 'Let Me Down Easy'. Though that song isn't bad either... Dunno.

zeus, Sunday, 4 September 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ude3Y4sy8s

(not safe for werksville)

pisces, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 00:59 (seventeen years ago) link

oh and scott seward - thanks, 2 years on.

pisces, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 01:07 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...

Classic.

I absolutely LOVE this band. Over the years they've snuck up from being something I had a mild regard for to probably my favourite band ever. I think they are the unacknowledged musical giants of their era.

The stylisitic variation is incredible, from furious R'n'B (Old Codger) to weirdo space-rock (Meninblack) to harpsicord-driven waltzes (Golden Brown.

Even the goof-offs are compelling. And, let's not forget, THE BEST BASS SOUND EVER.

Oh yeah, and the street/sewer/skewer line is BRILLIANT.

PhilK, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:44 (sixteen years ago) link

I came to the Stranglers very early in my discovery of music beyond the top 40. I love both Hugh periods but wasn't interested after he left. Their catalog is littered with classic albums, some nifty live albums and great b-sides.

To this day, if some crap song gets stuck in my head, I start singing "Ice Queen" to eradicate it.

Mr. Odd, Monday, 30 July 2007 11:15 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

The weather cools down, the days grow shorter and I return to my Stranglers LP's.

I have been rocking the first three Stranglers records of late and damn, they are beautiful things indeed. IV and No More Heroes especially.

THE BEST BASS SOUND EVER This is so so true.

Love La Folie as well.

I have been trying to rationalize Jet Black's lackluster drumming however, but can' really get there. Anyone else wish he played with more chutzpah?

Did X-Cert ever come out on CD?

kwhitehead, Friday, 2 November 2007 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

God bless The Stranglers.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 14 June 2009 02:07 (fourteen years ago) link

hey, alex, you can download hugh's new album for free if you want. if that's, you know, something you might enjoy. perhaps.

http://www.hughcornwell.com/

scott seward, Monday, 22 June 2009 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Interesting this - someone having reversed Yellowcake UF6, one of the B-sides from what I think is definitely their best period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-ZI7t-kd4Q

Keith, Sunday, 5 July 2009 12:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Most bizarre.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 5 July 2009 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link

their version of Walk on By is still on my playlist after all these years

Dr X O'Skeleton, Sunday, 5 July 2009 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

... as well it should be.

Alex in NYC, Monday, 6 July 2009 02:24 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Just listened to "Black And White" for the first time in eons. So good I had to listen twice, in fact! Damn, those crazy keyboards, JJ's bass, Hugh's odd lyrics... even the lesser tracks are fascinating and the classics are monumental. I will continue on to the rest of Hugh's albums.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 13 November 2010 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

"Down in the Sewer" reminds me of both The Fall and Nomeansno. This is a pretty high compliment.

4 out of 5 Fenriz agree. (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Genius song. First time I listened to it, while not understanding a single word, still I could feel the sick breath of a sewer on my face (maybe it was just that horrible rat on the back cover, who knows).

A couple of months ago I went (again) through this obsessive Stranglers phase and devoured again their early album - lots and lots of great songs, also Hugh's Nosferatu remains one of the most peculiar album of the era.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 11:21 (thirteen years ago) link

It is also very fitting and Strangler-esque that a lot of those EMI budget compilations variously titled Good Times, Soft Rock or Early Sunday Morning Music invariably include a song like Golden Brown.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 11:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Hugh’s tribute on Twitter

I am very sorry to hear of the passing of Dave Greenfield. He was the difference between The Stranglers and every other punk band. His musical skill and gentle nature gave an interesting twist to the band. (1 of 2)

— Hugh Cornwell (@HughCornwell) May 4, 2020

Jeff W, Monday, 4 May 2020 18:48 (three years ago) link

After their initial run on A&M I kind of lost track/interest, consequently I am listening to The Raven today for the first time ever in memorium. What a weird, wonderful band, with Dave's circus of keyboards coloring everything. RIP.

Album Moods: Rambunctious; Snide (Dan Peterson), Monday, 4 May 2020 19:48 (three years ago) link

Goddamn it! Dave's keys are so otherworldly, it shouldn't have worked but it did in spades.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 4 May 2020 20:05 (three years ago) link

The Raven is my favourite.

He was the difference between The Stranglers and every other punk band.

100%.

stirmonster, Monday, 4 May 2020 20:57 (three years ago) link

Wow, I'd love to be listening to "The Raven" for the first time ever!

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Monday, 4 May 2020 21:18 (three years ago) link

I know, right? I own Black and White, and Aural Sculpture, and missed the stretch in between. Youtube is not doing the sound justice, I think I need to buy a physical copy.

Album Moods: Rambunctious; Snide (Dan Peterson), Monday, 4 May 2020 21:36 (three years ago) link

Oh man 'The Gospel According To The Men In Black' is brilliant too.

Maresn3st, Monday, 4 May 2020 21:50 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

I'm seeing reports that Jet Black has passed away, 84!

MaresNest, Thursday, 8 December 2022 17:32 (one year ago) link

It was common knowledge that they were older than the other punks on the scene, nevertheless 84 is still boggling my mind.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 8 December 2022 18:10 (one year ago) link

I had Laid Black in heavy rotation a number of years back. A departure from their usual, but one that somehow made sense.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 8 December 2022 18:15 (one year ago) link

restinpeaceinblack.

stirmonster, Thursday, 8 December 2022 18:24 (one year ago) link

RIP JB

Gulf VAR Syndrome (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 December 2022 18:26 (one year ago) link

Damn, I can't believe he was 40 in 1978!!

Love his work. His music will live forever.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 8 December 2022 19:01 (one year ago) link

Fucking icon.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 8 December 2022 20:00 (one year ago) link

My two cents on the loss of Jet Black

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 8 December 2022 20:01 (one year ago) link


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