David Bowie - over-rated or justifiably hated?

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Sir Didymus! Yes! I love that thing. He kicked some major ass, cos he was nuts.

Ally, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Gosh, Ally, now you're even agreeing with my *boyfriend*! Have we merged? Help, mommy, I'm scared.

masonic boom, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Classic for: Labyrinth, the synths at the end of 'Ashes To Ashes', being a loon. Dud for: 'Dancing In The Streets'.

DG, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I like your boyfriend better than mine, because he says things like "Sir Didymus kicked ass" as opposed to "The Bee Gees kicked ass". Does he have a clone I can borrow?

What's the name of the song at the end of Labrinyth (yes, I realize that's the third different spelling of that word I've put forth so far)?

Ally, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

NO!!! Sharing toenail varnish and Manics-spanking robots is one thing, but I draw the line at Paul! Besides, think of all the rubbish Hefner and Belle and Sebastian you'd have to put up with. ;-)

masonic boom, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hey! Leave Hefner and Belle and Sebastian alone! :)

Anyway... The track at the end was called 'As The World Falls Down', if I remember correctly, and it was actually rather good. One of the two good tracks in the film. 'Underground' was also good.

Sadly, though, all the good tracks were completely negated by 'Magic Dance'. Sample lyrics: 'Tell me about the babe/ What babe/ The babe that cast the spell/ What spell/ Power of voodoo/ Who do?/ You do/ Now tell me about the babe...' Oh dear.

Paul Strange, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think it's telling that "As the World Falls Down" was the only track from that album to appear on the remastered _Tonight_ CD. (Yes, I am a sad fan, especially for owning *that* album -- do not play the version of "God Only Knows" to anyone, unless you're Ally and want to torment Fred with its wretchedness.)

And to clear a certain assertion back up there up, I do own _The Dark Crystal_ on DVD, sure, but not _Labyrinth_. Not yet, anyway. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That IS the song I was asking about, Dance Magic. It's so ridiculously hilarious. I mean, what was he thinking? I want a copy of that song, but not badly enough to go and buy the CD.

Ally, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

There was also that "Fire Dance" song. HM.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

YES! THat GOd Only KNows version! WHAT!?! what was he fuckin g thinking or drinking? Jesus christ! I was aghast!

-- Mike Hanley, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

OK, it is now 2 hours later. We have now watched the film. (yes, we are sad.) It is, as described, absolutely terrible. Not EVEN a patch on the Dark Crystal. David Bowie's hair is, as advertised, the greatest crime against coiffery since, well... I was going to say Andrew Eldritch, but I think Bowie's hair is worse.

HOWEVER... I do have to say that that Fire Dance song is the *BEST* track that Olivia Tremor Control never recorded. Call Elephant 6 now!!!!

masonic boom, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No! Don't say that! My friend, the Divine LC, will track you down and quite probably kill you for saying Labyrinth is rubbish. How can it be? Its got that bizarre knight bloke, the fire things that swap body parts and a Brummie snail (if I remember correctly)! But it isn't as good as Transformers The Movie - not Bowie related obviously, but a kid's film from the same year (I think).

DG, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Really?? Damn girl, I always held a special placein my heart for Labrynth. Are you sure you didnt like it? I think it brilliant. Better than any thing that fucker Felinni ever did.

Mike Hanley, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I love stuff like Ziggy, Aladdin Sane, Low, Hunky Dory, Outside (I absolutely adore this album!). Hell, I even enjoy the 1st Tin Machine album...

Kodanshi, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh God, I really like Dance Magic Dance, but I think only the chorus, and it does stem from childhood when I thought the Labyrinth was the greatest film ever made, specifically cause of all the cool old town around the castle sets. the scene that used to annoy me though, was the one where the girl walks into the (i think) rubbish dump place and then goes to a nightmare fairytale masked ball. I saw it again last year and it still scared me shitless!

Bill

Bill, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two months pass...
I just bought scary monsters when I was thrifting last week and i'm loving it. The recent stuffs not bad either- what d'yall think of "pretty things are going to hell"? the man still has it I say. . .

beth, Sunday, 19 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
Is it safe to say that David Bowie is one of those artists with NO DISCERNABLE INDIVIDUAL SONGWRITING STYLE, from album to album? I don't know if this means he's very diverse, or just a corporate whore.

Jack Redelfs, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

not safe, i think, jack: the way he writes words hasn't significantly changed since hunkydory; and i think there's continuity between melody-formation on earthling and HD also.

obv he's he a v.textural music-maer — esp.since tangling with eno, but actually he already was — so uses the permutable specifix of his "backing band" to strong local identity effect: but again, HOW he does this changes a lot less than what he can do with it.

mark s, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sure Mark. But remove his singing and the threads that tie together his output are very tenuous.

Jack Redelfs, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

seven months pass...
hi.does anyone agree with me that "this is not america" is one of his best songs?

del a robbo, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

seven months pass...
en tous cas, il est adorable...

florencesamouel, Thursday, 26 December 2002 17:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

five months pass...
But what was EVEN WORSE was the b-side: when the sax solo kicks in Bowie says (not kidding here): "YOUR MIND, BLOW IT."

that was "the gospel according to tony day." and it's the only listenable thing he did pre-"space oddity." (nb to momus: your post upthread about bowie's sixties stuff inspired me to get that deram anthology. but that stuff's just awful! i mean, "we are hungry men?" and the belches after it?)

Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 21 June 2003 12:07 (twenty years ago) link

jeepers even PAT KRAUS posted on this thread!!

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 21 June 2003 12:14 (twenty years ago) link

I had a six-month Bowie phase in the second year at uni. I used to do impressions of him. T'was great. These days I just like him.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 21 June 2003 12:18 (twenty years ago) link

The only thing I'd ever buy of his now would be that Rykodisc double CD singles comp (I've already got Station thru Scary Monsters), but I'll always be willing to LISTEN to insanities like this "YOUR MIND. BLOW IT!" song referenced above. He's as good as bad gets or as bad as good gets depending on your tastes. Duran Duran is SO his fault, which means a lot of people here are David Bowie's fault.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 June 2003 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

I always thought he blew it when he decided that 1983's dress code was going be "International Pop Sensation," having pretty much run through everything else from heavy mental through astute artistic wonkery. Of course, he nailed the role, leaving him with nowhere to go but sideways for the next 20 years.

PS New new digital revamp of "Ziggy: The Motion Picture" is Mick Ronson's finest hour and a half.

Chris Clark (Chris Clark), Sunday, 22 June 2003 13:51 (twenty years ago) link

TS: referring to DB circa 1983 as "blonde hair explosion king" vs. "International Pop Sensation"!

Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 27 June 2003 06:54 (twenty years ago) link

heh, alot of people here are David Bowie's fault

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:02 (twenty years ago) link

five years pass...

Let's talk about Bowie. I want to talk about Bowie. Is the "David Live" album any good?

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Monday, 28 July 2008 00:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Not very, no.

J0hn D., Monday, 28 July 2008 00:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Sorry to sound all "rockist," but "over-rated or justifiably hated," without a "good-to-great" option? Seems wrong.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 July 2008 00:52 (fifteen years ago) link

He's overrated by those who think he can sing, sure.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 28 July 2008 01:45 (fifteen years ago) link

'stage' is the live album to get. adrian belew!

haitch, Monday, 28 July 2008 01:58 (fifteen years ago) link

belew 'em all off the stage, didn't he

goole, Monday, 28 July 2008 03:14 (fifteen years ago) link

last interesting round of ilm bowie chat was here:

BOWIE VS STEELY

goole, Monday, 28 July 2008 03:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Stage is rather bad. Live, Bowie is best seen rather than heard.

Owen Pallett, Monday, 28 July 2008 08:32 (fifteen years ago) link

That is to say, it works better with the visuals. There was an amazing '77 concert at Muzikladen on the Youtube a while ago, but it got taken down once Matrixsynth picked up on it

Owen Pallett, Monday, 28 July 2008 08:36 (fifteen years ago) link

I really like David Live. The total inhumanity and coldness of the record appeals to me and is ideal for him. In a way it's his Metal Machine Music if we're talking depersonalisation. It's as if he's stranded on Mars and all his songs are in a lay-by in Stanmore.

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 28 July 2008 08:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Let's talk about Bowie. I want to talk about Bowie. Is the "David Live" album any good?

eh it's alright. Stage is ten times better.

stephen, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 03:03 (fifteen years ago) link

is that really great version of "Blackout" on Stage? Blackout Live is Bowie POV for sure

Is it safe to say that David Bowie is one of those artists with NO DISCERNABLE INDIVIDUAL SONGWRITING STYLE, from album to album? I don't know if this means he's very diverse, or just a corporate whore.

In my mind, I'd say, there's a very tangible sense of Bowiesque songwriting.. All of his songs have a sort of simplicity and, excluding his more abstract material, melodic verve. I'd say it's harder to reconcile "TV EYE" and "Candy" being written by the same man than it is "The Man Who Sold the World" and "Ashes to Ashes." I think Bowie's lyrical style is a dead giveaway, too. Did anyone ever notice that "Fantastic Voyage" and "Boys Keep Swinging" are the exact same chords and song structure with different songs on top? I always thought that was a remarkable feat of songwriting, and one he pulled off ina very unique way.

people explosion, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 04:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Also Red Money/Sister Midnight

Niles Caulder, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 05:55 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Thought I saw an ad for a new album today but it turns out it's just a release of that VH1 thing he did around when hours... came out. I guess he's just going to relax and do random backing vocals from here on in or something.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link

The thought of someone hating David Bowie DOES NOT COMPUTE.

My mom told me a little bit ago the 'Ashes to Ashes' was playing on the hospital room TV while she was in labor & she was annoyed bcz my dad was paying attention to it and not her. I don't blame him!

a muttering inbred (called) (not named) (Abbott), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link

While she was in labor...WITH ME!!!

a muttering inbred (called) (not named) (Abbott), Monday, 3 August 2009 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I miss his original choppers, tho.

a muttering inbred (called) (not named) (Abbott), Monday, 3 August 2009 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link

More specifically: http://areaology.com/area.html

a muttering inbred (called) (not named) (Abbott), Monday, 3 August 2009 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link

I listened to Reality for the first time in ages. A very good record – a lesser Lodger, of which it's a thematic and aura cousin.

Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 August 2009 19:04 (fourteen years ago) link

(xxxpost)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtrjZRQ8TzU

grocery groin (snoball), Monday, 3 August 2009 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link

While she was in labor...WITH ME!!!

"Abbott to Abbott..."

Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 August 2009 19:15 (fourteen years ago) link

You don't say.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:17 (eleven years ago) link

Something tells me he's trying to look like an "American".

collardio gelatinous, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link

a young one at that.

collardio gelatinous, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link

RETURN OF THE THIN WHITE DAD

da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:19 (eleven years ago) link

throwing darts in photog's eyes

collardio gelatinous, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:20 (eleven years ago) link

"You know, before I go to the reviews section to find out what exciting acts are coming up from the underground...let's just check where Uncut put me on this 100 icons thing."

da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:21 (eleven years ago) link

might as well, right?

collardio gelatinous, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link

The Top Ten
1. Dylan, Bob – Highway 61 Revisited
2. Presley, Elvis – Heartbreak Hotel [7”]
3. Beatles – She Loves You [7”]
4. Rolling Stones – (I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction [7”]
5. A Clockwork Orange (film)
6. Godfather / Godfather Part 2 (films)
7. Bowie, David – Rise & Fall of Ziggy Stardust & the Spiders from Mars
8. Taxi Driver (film)
9. Sex Pistols – Never Mind the Bollocks, Here’s the…
10. Prisoner [TV series]

He's reasonable enough that I bet his only quibble with the six above him is A Clockwork Orange

da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link

http://images.thegauntlet.com/pics/manson-fuck.jpg

Hi, I'm Marilyn Manson, please don't take my picture! (But please do, because I am Marilyn Manson, boo!)

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link

What the shit, get that out of here.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link

Looks like he and Jonathan Davis can go on the "Where's My Metabolism" tour.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link

What's he doing to that little kid's hand?

collardio gelatinous, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link

he tore the arm off at the socket

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link

It's actually the prehensile tale of his trained pet devil pig.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link

dude with camera filming while kid gets dismembered...

collardio gelatinous, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link


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