Why are Japanese films so terrible?

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Kurasawa's Dode'skaden = classic
Is Rashomon Kurasawa? i think so, well another great one there.

is anyone familiar with Terayama's cinematic output?
(Emperor Tomatoketchup, where children rule the world and have grown ups as there slaves, and Throw away your books, go out into the streets! which is like a japanese Brecht protest film)

erik, Sunday, 6 October 2002 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Gamera is really neat, he is full of turtle meat, we've been eating GA-ME-RA!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 October 2002 14:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Rashomon was the Kurosawa that brought him to the attention of the west, for whatever that is worth. Still the best rain scenes ever.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 6 October 2002 14:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

six months pass...
I saw Gohatto last night and loved it. I think I love Takeshi for all the reasons most people hate him (see Pete's initial post). I have Cruel Story Of Youth to watch tonight. *excited*

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 11:43 (twenty years ago) link

The Zaticoichi, The Blind Samurai film series are quite fun. IFC has been showing one every Saturday morning for months and I check out one from time to time.

Nothing like eating cornflakes and watching a blind masseuse take out a dozen people in a few seconds with a katana hidden in a cane.

earlnash, Monday, 28 April 2003 12:54 (twenty years ago) link

Is the pacing annoyingly slow in english-dubbed anime films' dialogue sequences because japanese speech takes longer than english or am I imagining things?

Stuart (Stuart), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

Cruel Story of Youth is fucking incredible. Watch for the scene with the apple.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 28 April 2003 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

have you ever seen mizoguchi´s 'sansho dayu', "street of shame' or 'life of oharu'?

Yes! Mizoguchi is less known than he should be. Other good films of his are "Sisters of the Gion", "The Story of the Last Chrysanthemums", "Women of the Night", "Miss Oyû", "Tales of Ugetsu", "Gion Festival Music", "The Woman of Rumour" and "The Tale of the Crucified Lovers".

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 06:31 (twenty years ago) link

;; I saw SPIRITED AWAY yesterday. finally.

Erik, Tuesday, 29 April 2003 06:53 (twenty years ago) link

what everyone else said + kiyoshi kurosawa.

brian badword (badwords), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 07:03 (twenty years ago) link

Can someone name a particularly good japanese monster
movie I watched once that starred a giant human
that battled monsters? "Adventures of" may have
been in the title, and the power rangers bit his look.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 17:08 (twenty years ago) link

Mizoguchi is the greatest director ever to walk the earth -- don't get me started.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 17:28 (twenty years ago) link

I thought I was a Mizoguchi fan, a bit, but I confess I've not seen his giant monster movies.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

The poignant tale of Mothra's young daughter, who is forced to become the mistress of a petty-bourgeois shop owner to support her younger sister. Soon, the shop owner dies and Mothrita is taken in by a brutal pimp. After she is beaten by the pimp, she returns to her sister and despairs of the plight of female Mothrites.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 19:00 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, yeah, of course. I saw that years ago, before any of you. I just forgot it for a minute.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 19:40 (twenty years ago) link

Some of my fave Japanese movies:

Toky Decadence
Tetsuo
Tampopo
Akira
Audition

Spirited Away hasn't had its official release in Belgium. Waiting.

Jan

Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 19:57 (twenty years ago) link

i love japanese films

Search: Ugetsu, Onibaba, Kwaidan, Audition, DeadorAlive, Battle Royale, Tetsuo, Tokyo Fist, Electric Dragon 80000, Angel Dust, Ringu, Blind Beast, Tokyo Drifter, Sonatine, Hana-bi, Afterlife, Hole in the Sky, In the Realm of the Senses, Tampopo, Throne of Blood, Bullet Ballet, Uzumaki, and random Godzilla films i liked as a child.

there should be more Kurosawa, Miyazaki and Ozu and stuff but they somehow don't fall as much into my "canon". maybe i am just being contrarian.

Still must see: Dark Water, Love & Pop, Gemini, Happiness of the Katakuris, A Snake of June, Juon, Eureka, Cure, Tokyo Decadence, Branded to Kill

Honda (Honda), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 22:43 (twenty years ago) link

Iron Man Tetsuo owns this thread for sucking and being totally awesome at the same time.

Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 22:49 (twenty years ago) link

"All About Lily Chou-Chou" is good.

kirsten (kirsten), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 23:45 (twenty years ago) link

What????

Akira Kurosawa is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time! The 'Baby Cart' series are AMAZING! The Godzilla films from the 60s (especially) are great fun with tremendous scope photography and set design and modern Japanese cinema has belched out such instant classics as 'Audition', 'Tokyo Fist', 'Uzumaki', 'Hypnosis' and 'Dark Water'. I saw 'Inugami' last week and it has style for sale! Man, they know how to make a film look good in Japan.

Kill this thread. I mean, whatever next - Hong Kong cinema, a load of shit or wot???!!!???!!!

Calum, Tuesday, 29 April 2003 23:54 (twenty years ago) link

eight months pass...
"All About Lily Chou Chou" IS good.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 5 January 2004 19:55 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't like it

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 04:58 (twenty years ago) link

Ugh, I just saw "Ichi the Killer" and it was terrible.

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 05:09 (twenty years ago) link

I enjoy much Japanese cinema. Takeshi Kitano is one of my faves; search "Kids Return", "Sonatine", and "Kikujiro" for sure, also "Metropolis", "Grave of the Fireflies", and "Spirited Away" for anime. "The Eel" was good, I also liked "Shall we Dance?". I'm far from the toughest critic though; I don't require that films be the pinnacle of their respective genres for me to admit to liking them. I consider the above to be entertaining and interesting, with fairly unique storylines, and a refreshing change from the usual mainstream American garbage I'm exposed to here in the States.

webcrack (music=crack), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:51 (twenty years ago) link

There are plenty of other threads in this series to collect.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 17:04 (twenty years ago) link

Phil, where did you see Ichi at?

dean gulberry (deangulberry), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 17:29 (twenty years ago) link

they had the DVD of Ichi at Kim's Video here in New York... Don't bother though. It was really really bad. The story was stupid/confusing and the gore was pretty silly.

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 19:35 (twenty years ago) link

I've got the DVD of Ichi, one of the very few freebies I got last year. Nasty.

Note for people who haven't seen Afterlife, the Ritzy is showing as its world cinema matinee all week from Friday. 1-ish I think, £3 a pop. I am ver ver tempted to go see again.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 10:47 (twenty years ago) link

I agree that Ichi was quite bad, the plot was muddled and the sick humour wasn't as funny as in other films of Miike, for example Visitor Q.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 11:18 (twenty years ago) link

kazuki tomokawa is in the new miike movie (with beat takeshi). i probably still won't see it.

"bright future" was pretty good.

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:49 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
My downstairs neighbor, who is big on such types of films, showed me Ichi The Killer last night. I couldn't really concentrate on it but at the very least I thought it's sadomasochistc take on the whole Batman vs. Joker concept was intriguing. I might not have noticed it unless he pointed it out (the bad guy's grin, his purple and green clothes, etc.). Did anyone else catch that element?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 January 2004 01:10 (twenty years ago) link

I couldn't really concentrate on it

because we were yammering about stuff and it was really, really gross.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 January 2004 01:11 (twenty years ago) link

He also showed me Battle Royale, which I hadn't seen yet. I found that more horrifying than Ichi in its own way, and definitely superior.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 January 2004 01:16 (twenty years ago) link

As pete mentioned on another thread Ozu's tokyo story is being shown daily at the NFT till next thursday. I caught it yesterday and it was some of the most moving cinema I've ever seen.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 January 2004 10:24 (twenty years ago) link

:-D

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 January 2004 13:04 (twenty years ago) link

i saw Ktano's Zaitochi yesterday as opening film to the Rotterdam Film Festival. Samurai turns to Riverdance.

Eriik, Saturday, 24 January 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago) link

yeah but just for the last three minutes which felt like a cheat to me

although i guess the dancing is foreshadowed a few times

that film left me pretty cold overall

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 January 2004 11:21 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
bump

anyone for Hiroshi Teshigahara?

http://www.bfi.org.uk/showing/nft/teshigahara/calendar/index.php

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 18 July 2004 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm going to three of them, Julio - Pitfall on Tuesday, Face Of Another on Thursday, then Rikyu on the Wednesday or Friday of the following week. An old friend is coming to the first two with me (no one you know) but you're obviously more than welcome to come along too - and I'm currently on my own for Rikyu, so if you fancy either showing of that say the word.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 18 July 2004 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

cool, I'm seeing 'woman of the dunes' tomorrow. won't be there on tue, will try and make it to thurs.

Will def see 'rikyu' the following week.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 18 July 2004 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone seen Suicide Club?

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Sunday, 18 July 2004 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I love Japanese cinema. Audition, Gate of Flesh, Spirited Away and the rest of the anime films, Naked Blood, Stacy etc... Sure some of it is tacky, but it's good fun. Trying to say that Japanese cinema is all about giant monsters attacking cities is like trying to say American movies are all about cowboys and indians.

dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 18 July 2004 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Contemporary Japanese cinema has it's own clichés, and once you get used to them they can be as irritating as their Hollywood counterparts. This applies especially to anime, which is fun for awhile, but gets really boring once you've seen enough of it. There are gems there, like Miyazaki's flicks, but a lot of the stuff that's imported to the West is mediocre shite aimed at the fanboy market.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 18 July 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

We rented "Suicide Club" last week - really good, albeit disturbing. Much graphic violence, much mystery, much schoolgirls leaping to their deaths on the subway track. What more can you want?

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Sunday, 18 July 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone seen the three most recent Seijun Suzuki films released on DVD (Underworld Beauty, Kanto Wanderer, Tattooed Life)? The first is a yakuza noir and the latter two are period yakuza films in color, I believe.

I found UB at Borders this weekend, but haven't had a chance to watch it.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 18 July 2004 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Julio (and any other interested parties): I saw Pitfall tonight, and it was GREAT! I'm really looking forward to the next two now.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, saw 'woman...' and almost certain to see it again, I did a thread on ilm abt toru takemitsu just after seeing it.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

So is anyone on for Rikyu on Wednesday (8.20) or Friday (8.40) night? I'm definitely going.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 26 July 2004 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link

DVDs of the two Ju-on TV movies (predating the Ju-on:Grudge two theatrical versions) arrived this morning, hopefully I'll get the chance to watch at least one tonight. Are they really better than the 'remakes', as I've read?

Suicide Circle/Club is genius, yes - but is it any better than Uzumaki? I think not, although for non-horror material Wild Zero is about as good as it gets.

Someone on this thread might know... I've managed to pick up a fantran of the second Ringu TV series (Saishuushou/'The Final Chapter') - has anyone ever seen a subbed version of either the first (Ring: Kanzenban, admittedly only a one-off rather than a series) or third series (Rasen: The Series)?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 07:45 (nineteen years ago) link

the new sarah michelle gellar movie (remake of ju-on) is directed by takashi shimizu!!

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

not sure those are easily available in uk. happy to be contradicted.

Not in physical edition or streaming no, thus my buying the box in Paris - I think they played at the BFI semi recently though, judging by letterboxd reviews. At any rate you could always learn French like a civiliaed person pirate them.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 18 March 2024 15:44 (one month ago) link

Battles Without Honour Or Humanity felt impossible to watch without an accompanying spreadsheet.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 18 March 2024 15:44 (one month ago) link

i need to transcribe that list of japanese atomic bomb films, see if i can dig a few more up.

i looked online and found this howler
https://katakurifilms.com/8-of-the-best-japanese-films-about-the-atomic-bomb/
(fireflies is about the firebombing of kobe, nothing atomic about it)

koogs, Monday, 18 March 2024 17:40 (one month ago) link

I watched four of those Tanaka films recently and yeah they were all good. Some great cinematography and mise en scene at times... she'd clearly learned some things from working with Mizoguchi.

Kim Kimberly, Monday, 18 March 2024 18:35 (one month ago) link

watched Osaka Elegy just now. it's well regarded but probably one for the heads.

anyway, in one bit they go to the theatre to see Banraku, the classic Japanese puppet plays. i can't remember seeing this in any other film. are there any others?

koogs, Thursday, 21 March 2024 12:36 (four weeks ago) link

Takeshi Kitano's Dolls:

The first story is the one on which the film centers. The film leads into it by opening with a performance of Bunraku theatre, and closes with a shot of dolls from the same. The performance is that of "The Courier for Hell" by Chikamatsu Monzaemon, and it alludes to themes that reappear later in the film. Because the rest of the film itself (as Kitano himself has said) can be treated as Bunraku in film form, the film is quite symbolic.

walking on the beach in a force ten gale (Matt #2), Thursday, 21 March 2024 12:42 (four weeks ago) link

(imdb lists 4, Dolls and Oharu and something Western. i don't remember the bit in Oharu and haven't seen Dolls)

((also puzzled by the fact 'hair-bun' is a thing people tag movies with))

koogs, Thursday, 21 March 2024 12:42 (four weeks ago) link

I saw The Courier for Hell when I visited the Bunraku theatre in Osaka, it was heartbreaking!

walking on the beach in a force ten gale (Matt #2), Thursday, 21 March 2024 12:43 (four weeks ago) link

Not a movie but Tanizaki's Some Prefer Nettles has a lot of bunraku in it iirc

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 21 March 2024 12:47 (four weeks ago) link

I know there's some films made of bunraku performances, but I can't think of any that are part of the plot. a lot more with Noh plays etc
feel like I should mention Thunderbolt Fantasy here, a Japan/Taiwan wuxia puppet TV show created by Gen Urobuchi of Fate/Zero, Madoka Magica, Psychopass etc. fame. it's as daft as it sounds!

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 21 March 2024 12:52 (four weeks ago) link

Shinoda’s Double Suicide uses bunraku as a narrative element iirc

assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 21 March 2024 13:06 (four weeks ago) link

a lot of the bunraku plays themselves seen to involve double suicides (based on the list of 10 or so top chikamatsu whatsisname plays i found online)

the bookseller in the film i watched last week had a bunch of double suicide titles too, i wonder if they were the same ones?

koogs, Thursday, 21 March 2024 14:06 (four weeks ago) link

I watched A Colt Is My Passport the other day: a superb noir with a lot of western (the genre) touches including a very good Morricone-esque soundtrack

rob, Thursday, 21 March 2024 14:23 (four weeks ago) link

xp yeah the film is a bunraku adaptation

assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 21 March 2024 22:21 (four weeks ago) link

Colt Is My Passport very good yeah, def the highlight of that criterion Nikkatsu set

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 22 March 2024 11:05 (three weeks ago) link


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