British Food: Classic or Dud (S&D too)

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The US bread thing is equally nonsense, go to one (1) bakery instead of a supermarket and you're sorted out just fine for all manner of loaves.

you're right, of course - i've had some delicious sourdough in the states before. but the difference is you can find ace bread in UK supermarkets, which i haven't seen in the US supermarkets i've been to (but the last i visited tbh would be austin 2004). american bread i've eaten from supermarkets has been insanely nasty, airy, weirdly-textured stuff.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 21 September 2006 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link

that partly depends on the UK supermarket, dunnit?

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i guess, but pretty much all the supermarkets near me (wimbledon/colliers wood) have fresh baked bread in various varieties, even the Somerfield attatched to the petrol station in haydon's road.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

i've actually had a pie in that greenwich pie shop, but I was a vegetarian then.. and I'm not, now. So it's time to try some ITTY BITTY KIDNEYS.

i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link

well i'm not saying there isn't nice bread - i certainly had some very nice bread (and cheese. and beer!) in churches. but i found like slices of bread to be marginally more pliable than the stuff i usually eat at home. and i found that comparable to a lot of what i ate - meats/fishes are of less 'meaty' cuts and cooked longer, the way vegetables (and potatoes) also are. all of this is the very small-n of my experience, of course, but it's true that meat is in pies more than it is in steak-knife steak, yes? and an apple dessert is a crumble-type thing more often than it is a held-aloft-top-crust pie, right? plus, mushy peas.

my point for myself was maybe i failed to sufficiently appreciate the flavors of what i was eating because i was first experiencing it through a less-familiar textural lens. (and i shouldn't have passed up the epicerie at orrery.)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

The royal oak in Borough does a particularly fine steak and kidney pudding which, as any fool knows, is far better than Pie

Ed (dali), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Speaking of insanely nasty weirdly-textured stuff:
http://www.hnfoods.co.uk/shop/images/products/90043.jpg

Stephen X (Stephen X), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I used to quite like Tartex! I'm not sure that's technically British food though.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

True--I just think of it as a mandatory feature of UK vegetarian shops, right next to the nut roast mix. I assume it was actually developed for the Swiss space program.

Stephen X (Stephen X), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Tartex? Looks like toothpaste for Hobbits.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe the food follows from the milder climate?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

What's that snack you have in the UK that's like a moist, dense bar of oats or something but then with a thin layer of chocolate or other flavored icing on top? You could find them in just about any convenience store. Man, I miss those.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Do you mean flapjacks?

http://www.blackfriarsbakery.co.uk/product_pics%5CFlapjacks.jpg

Not to be confused with the US pancake style flapjacks.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes! I was going to say, I think they share a name with something in the US that's completely unrelated.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

flapjacks, you mean? (one of these days I am going to give in and buy one of the ones with "chocolate-flavoured topping" on, I tend to stop and stare at them every time I'm in a newsagent)

bah xpost

ampersand, hearts, semicolon (cis), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Those just appear to be granola bars, or breakfast bars??

Allyzay is a town of people, people who DIED (allyzay), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I see no flap here.

Stephen X (Stephen X), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

What I like about them is that they're quite filling but don't seem too horrible for you, despite the chocolate. I think some have healthy-ish things like raisins in them. I usually bought one after class in late afternoon to tide me over until dinner.

xpost Ally, they sort of look like that, but they're way better. More cakey.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

To make a flapjack you mix sugar, golden syrup, butter, and rolled oats; i'm pretty sure granola bars and breakfast bars are more complex? Soho coffee co in Oxford used to do something called "granola bar flapjacks" which were the most awesome thing ever, tho.

ampersand, hearts, semicolon (cis), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

A couple of websites I found described flapjacks as "oatmeal brownies" or "a cross between a granola bar and an oatmeal cookie," which is about right.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 September 2006 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

but don't seem too horrible for you

Haha, that's the problem with flapjacks, you think "ooh, healthy oaty goodness!" and forget there's like 1000 calories in a bar. Think about it, they weigh about 500g each.

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 21 September 2006 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

My first ILE thread (I'm pretty sure) dealt with English food!

Read it here.

nickn (nickn), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm glad you revived that thread, if only to show people that DG wasn't always like this :)

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Nah you can tell there is genuine contempt behind his comment there re British food being ousted by curry etc. The bigoted swine.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

GERMAN BREAD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FRENCH BREAD>UK BREAD>US BREAD

ten kebabs maaaaate (fandango), Thursday, 21 September 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Lots of countries are good at bread.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 21 September 2006 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link

GERMAN BREAD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FRENCH BREAD>UK BREAD>US BREAD

i remember no bread from my one trip to Berlin. only sausage. plenty, plenty sausage.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 21 September 2006 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

BREAD>>>>>OTHER BREAD

I think the joy of British food is that there are still distinct regional identities e.g. ask for Stargazey Pie outside Cornwall you'll get blank looks. Bath Chaps, Pan Haggerty, Pond Pudding etc. Some British foodies get all weepy eyed over the distinct cuisines of other countries (well you simply can't compare Calabria to any other region etc yawn) and forget that we have our own.

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 21 September 2006 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

is roast dinner a british thing. that's probably the only thing i really like

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

but then, roast chicken is no southern fried..

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

what about sausages?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

but then.. frankfurters..

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I once ate so much sausage my ankles were swollen to the size of like, a pre-teen's thigh. It was terrifying. I was also really drunk and kind of freaking out, too.

i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

One of the best things about British food is that things which are not supposed to be sweet (bread, beer) have the appropriate level of savouriness or maltedness. In North America (or in Canada at least) the bread is sweetened to such an extent that it gives off a fetid honeyed odour and doesn't toast properly. Products sold as "ales" in North America also tend to have the appearance of lagers that have been sweetened and dyed brown.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 21 September 2006 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Yorkshire is pretty damn good for food by itself really. Yorkshire Puddings, obviously, cheese, beer and the best chips on the planet. That's better than Ally's tomato diet. I'm hungry.

Ogmor Roundtrouser (Ogmor Roundtrouser), Friday, 22 September 2006 00:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Shit, CURRY. I can't believe no one's mentioned this yet. So much "Indian" food has been invented over here. And Bradford has the best curry so the Yorkshire diet is looking pretty damn irresistable.

Ogmor Roundtrouser (Ogmor Roundtrouser), Friday, 22 September 2006 00:38 (seventeen years ago) link

British food = dismal.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Friday, 22 September 2006 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Fourteen British restaurants in world's top fifty last year, Berkshire's Fat Duck at number one, incidentally

British food haters = ill informed.

Matt (Matt), Friday, 22 September 2006 02:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think that it's disputed that London has some of the best restaurants in the world, but those restaurants don't all serve British cuisine.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 22 September 2006 03:30 (seventeen years ago) link

"I think the joy of British food is that there are still distinct regional identities"

this isn't true everywhere in the world?


i admit that i am scared of words like treacle and suet and "marrow jam". reminds me of that famous brit offal dude with the famous restaurant. the whole pig dude.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 22 September 2006 03:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Fergus Henderson, St John, 'Nose to Tail Eating', my favourite restaurant.

Ed (dali), Friday, 22 September 2006 04:13 (seventeen years ago) link


Cook and Moore's Frog & Peach sketch

nickn (nickn), Friday, 22 September 2006 05:59 (seventeen years ago) link

What does London ILX think of Porters in Covent Garden? I was reminded of it by the Orwell thing saying you can't get decent traditional British food in London at reasonable prices, since that's supposedly about what the founder thought. I had a lovely pie there, but maybe they are not REAL enough for ILX traditional food fans or something. (OK, I mention it half-suspecting amusing ire will result, but I'd be pleased if it didn't)

(Bit surprised that Orwell says back there that if you want a good cheap meal you'd go to a Greek or Chinese restaurant; I'd been led to believe you just didn't find such things until at least the 70s. Maybe you only did in London.)

things that are readily available in the US but are completely different in the UK

Saw a webpage recently that was some American kid going "holy crap WTF look at all the weird shit the Brits eat! Here is the British food I have been eating on my holiday" and it was, like, "Coke! In funny-shaped metric bottles! Salt and vinegar crisps, gross! [picture of a tin of Pringles] Curry sauce?! [picture of McDonalds sauce sachets]". Still not sure whether it was a joke.

Rebecca (reb), Friday, 22 September 2006 07:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Porter's was my favourite place when I was 7 or 8 years old. i have a soft spot for it but it is possible to get better pies and IIRC they do false pies, (i.e. a bowl of stew with a pastry top). I'd like to go to Porter's again out of nostalgia.

The Royal Oak in Borough is good for pies as I think I mentioned up thread and i really like the square pie company chain doing take away boxes of pie, peas and mash.

Ed (dali), Friday, 22 September 2006 07:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Scottish plain loaf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GERMAN BREAD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FRENCH BREAD>UK BREAD>US BREAD

Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, plain bread is the food of Satan. Aldo wrote something that made me cry laughing about it once. I shall find it, and it will explain everything.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:21 (seventeen years ago) link

You try living without it and eating this English muck instead

Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:22 (seventeen years ago) link

What I never understood about plain bread: why is it the only sort of bread that supermarkets sell in a paper wrapper?

My minging flatmate once bought some, and left half a loaf mouldering in a cupboard - the mould infected the wrapper too, crawled through the wrapper, and spread itself over the inside of her cupboard.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:26 (seventeen years ago) link

It's on this thread, do a search for piece'n'mince !

Scottish things and people that I like

It is horrible. My husband loves it and keeps buying it. It doesn't even fit in a toaster!

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:28 (seventeen years ago) link

When I talk to Scottish people who live in London it's generally No. 1 in the list of things they miss!

Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah I think they did a champagne Marmite one time and that tasted just like regular Marmite, 😥

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 January 2020 22:04 (four years ago) link

Literally the worst thing about Hull is chippies don't do potato scallops

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 January 2020 22:06 (four years ago) link

Muswell Hill (of course) has a gourmet fish n' chippy, bit out of the way for the average tourist though

it's after the end of the world (Matt #2), Friday, 24 January 2020 22:13 (four years ago) link

Marmite is still made in Burton-on-Trent, I think, having outlived the brewing industry it is a by-product of there.
Yes, Guinness flavour Marmite was nothing special, but Marmite flavour Guinness is still widely available in corner shops.

fetter, Friday, 24 January 2020 22:47 (four years ago) link

There's still a humongous brewery in Burton, one of the multinationals iirc, and yeah they make Marmite there too. We used to go shopping there once a fortnight or so when I was a kid, the whole town stank of yeast

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 January 2020 22:53 (four years ago) link

Having just visited there at the weekend I can confirm that Edinburgh still smells of yeast too.

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Friday, 24 January 2020 22:58 (four years ago) link

hmmmm... supposedly trying to make homemade marmite is "dangerous and hard to control".

Yerac, Friday, 24 January 2020 23:05 (four years ago) link

Just found a "recipe" that takes 10 days

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 January 2020 23:10 (four years ago) link

I really miss the cheap fishcakes I used to get from the fish and chips shops in Liverpool as a kid.

kraudive, Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:25 (four years ago) link

actually bought my first ever squeezy marmite yesterday, will report back on the consistency.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, January 23, 2020 9:08 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

My report is that it's just regular marmite. The pot is good though, it dispenses the very thin stream which you need.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 25 January 2020 22:40 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

Cheesy chips at Cheltenham Town (@CTFCofficial)

💷 £3 pic.twitter.com/B3ACM7OCbP

— Footy Scran (@FootyScran) December 26, 2021

, Saturday, 15 January 2022 01:59 (two years ago) link

This may be an appropriate thread for me to rediscover the enthusiasm expressed by ILX whenever DUMPLINGS! get mentioned.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 15 January 2022 02:14 (two years ago) link

Muswell Hill (of course) has a gourmet fish n' chippy, bit out of the way for the average tourist though

assuming it's the same one, somewhat impressed it's still going. there was a fancy fish & chips place there when I lived there 2003-6. I only went there a couple of times because the queues were ludicrous but it was pretty good (and didn't cost a fortune either, 17 years ago anyway)

bovarism, Saturday, 15 January 2022 02:22 (two years ago) link

I had some very bland chips at Whaddon Road in 2003 with no not very melty cheese slices. My most notable memory of the day was the house right next to the football ground with a boarded up window where presumably a league two standard defensive hoof had smashed through it at some point.

calzino, Saturday, 15 January 2022 03:30 (two years ago) link

ten months pass...

Pie, peas, gravy and a sausage roll at Barnoldswick Town (@barlickfc)

💷 £5.50 pic.twitter.com/21EWlCWcH6

— Footy Scran (@FootyScran) December 1, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 1 December 2022 23:20 (one year ago) link


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