The Karate Kid...lets discuss the greatness.

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One of the most disturbing things Morita did shortly after KK came out was appear in Night Patrol, the world's worst attempt at a Zucker-Abrahams-Zucker film knockoff ever, as a pre-teen female rape victim (this was done by having him just appear as himself, but with a dubbed-in squeaky voice...and this was meant to be a COMEDY).

That's very creepy, I've never heard of that movie.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Didn't Ralph Macchio also have some illness which meant he would forever look about 14? Or did I dream it?

Also - Cruel Summer is not at the date place - it's on Daniel's first day at his new school as it's daytime and the sun is shining (DYS!)

Favourite bit - Must focus danielsen. Best karate still inside. I still use this as a motivational line. I do not motivate many people, but it makes me feel good.

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:06 (fifteen years ago) link

When not creepy it's just terribly terribly stupid beyond description. It's a bad film without the slightest joy, but I do remember it getting at least a few commercials on TV when it came out. Yugh. Its main selling point as such was the revelation of the identity of the Unknown Comic, that feeb who always wore a paper bag over his head while telling his crap jokes. Logically he was the lead character.

The IMDB entry

A 'celebration' of sorts

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:07 (fifteen years ago) link

'You're the best...around.'

y, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link

'yeeeah, johnny--get him a body bag!'

mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:25 (fifteen years ago) link

THATS THE NOSTRILS GUY I WAS TALKING ABOUT. I HATE THAT FUCKER.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:30 (fifteen years ago) link

"your a sly son of a bitch...but I like that...I like that!"

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:33 (fifteen years ago) link

This movie inspired a wee me to take judo classes. I kicked and flipped the shit out of everyone in my class. They were all guys. I was the only girl. I gave them the fear big time. Man, I was bad ass.

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:38 (fifteen years ago) link

please tell me it was at Cobra Kai dojo.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Ralph Maccio lives around the corner from my grandma. He doesn't really look so hot now, but OTOH I never thought he was hot. He just looked like all the dudes in the neighborhood. He basically still looks like how he did in My Cousin Vinny.

I never am able to fully enjoy that crane move because, I mean, how did he do it? First off, it's virtually a physically impossible move to begin with (don't tell me you all haven't tried it, whether as a kid or drunk, two weeks ago, at a party. You know you have). Secondly, his leg is like BROKEN or something, I mean he's limping back all over the place and totally hobbling on his way back to the fight and obviously can't put pressure on that leg. So suddenly he can land on it with the FULL FORCE OF HIS BODY and kick another person in the face? How does it work!!!

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I tried that Crane shit at a party years ago all wasted and tore my knee to shreds, so Ally(i) is right.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:49 (fifteen years ago) link

It works because Miyagi applied a special "father teach" penis rub to Danielsan in the locker room before he fought.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:50 (fifteen years ago) link

And plus the crane move is a tell -- you're basically telling the other person way ahead of time how you're going to attack them, so they should be able to figure out how to fight back (if this was real karate).

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, I always wondered that too, how the other guy didn't seem to see "kick in the face" coming from that pose Daniel was taking.

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link

i love the movie and all but what wouldn't it have been great if during the final fight a bunch of ninja's from okinawa swooped in from the gym roof and slaughter everyone as some sort of ninja revenge and prelude to part II for miyagi slipping it to Sato's girlfriend.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Johnny probably thought "what the fuck is this gay shit?"

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:54 (fifteen years ago) link

mookieproof stole my line.. that line is a tie for best line ever - up there with ITS GAME OVER, MAN from aliens.

more karate kid greatness: when daniel wins the tournament elisabeth shue comes out for the loving embrace and just fucking towers over tiny ass ralph maccio.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Nothing makes me laugh more than a completely bombed Miyagi though. "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Allyzay OTM. Miyagi needed a better finishing move to teach Danielsan. He should have consulted the WWF.

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link

I would've liked to have seen the Kobra Kai get served with the Achy Breaky.

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Seriously, I watched this a few weeks ago.. and the last scene with the fucking dumb crane move got me so jazzed I couldn't believe it.

Towelette Pettatucci (Homosexual II), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Crank up the Zamfir master of the pan flute.
http://www.fast-rewind.com/kkid/beach4.jpg

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link

OMG what about PART TWO with Daniel-san in OKINAWA and learning a finishing move from a TOY DRUM!?! You really cannot beat scripts like these.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:18 (fifteen years ago) link

I would have sold my mother for Danielsan's headband. It was the equivalent of Wonder Woman's magic lasso.

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:23 (fifteen years ago) link

It's a perfect film and all. There's a scene (in the canteen) where the girl introduces herself to Daniel as "Ali...with an I" and that "...with an I" always seemed so sexy to me. When I was fourteen some girls started chatting to me in a mall, and I introduced myself as "Steven...with a V" in homage, but the fucking sexiness I tried to bring to the "...with a V" was so excruciatingly lame & they lost interest & it remains my most embarrassing moment.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:32 (fifteen years ago) link

and then the town Zabka pushed you off your Miyagi 3000?

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:35 (fifteen years ago) link

ha ha TOWN ZABKA

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:37 (fifteen years ago) link

The Town Zabka of Lexington, KY is named Pat and once I was playing "Hey Ya!" at a party on a guitar and he told me I was "ruining the song".

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Daniel Lauroso's camo pants are really cool.

shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:45 (fifteen years ago) link

The Town Zabka of Memphis, TN is a large black man named Maurice who drives a tow truck.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:52 (fifteen years ago) link

especially with the tucked in shirt and bandana.

http://www.ec.com.my/webproxy/nph-proxy.pl/010110A/http/whatever-dude.com/wdimages/dposts/kkid5.jpg

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Nick please tell me that you have challenge Pat to a showdown at the All Valley Karate Championship? And you're friends with an old wise Japanese man.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 16:55 (fifteen years ago) link

ha ha no I just got my ass handed to me and I threw my bike in a dumpster

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:00 (fifteen years ago) link

However, I am friends with an old wise Japanese man. If by "old wise" you mean "hippy" and "Japanese" you mean "asshole".

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:01 (fifteen years ago) link

"Best defence: not be there"

(and checking the above i found this: http://www.cyberkwoon.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9397&view=next which is like ilx meets cobra kai...)

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:04 (fifteen years ago) link

"Given that in a lot of countries(UK esp.) carrying any blatent weapons is illegal, and following on from my previous post re Multiple opponents, what would you recommend as a useful weapon-like item to carry around the streets?"

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:06 (fifteen years ago) link

I can't even believe this thread got so far without someone mentioning Bill Simmons.

chris herrington (chris herrington), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:34 (fifteen years ago) link

must-read:

http://sports.espn.go.com/page2/movies/s/simmons/020830.html

chris herrington (chris herrington), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 17:38 (fifteen years ago) link

i read simmons all the time and i love that article.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 18:11 (fifteen years ago) link

"Must be take a work for a walk week!"--Nostril Guy

shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 19:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Oooooh. Busted-azz mofo right dere.

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:49 (fifteen years ago) link

looks like he needs to bring back that bandana to cover his receda hairline. hahaha hoohooo. slaps knee.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Golf-N-Stuff. What a place for a date!

I like when Johnny is rolling a joint on the toilet. When I was little, I had no idea what he was doing!

Those Kobra Kai skeleton suits are ill.

Why would Ali like a dork like Daniel?

Crap Bootie, Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:30 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
heh. i like this

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 26 January 2006 04:12 (thirteen years ago) link

haha someone else was watching turner classicks too i see

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 26 January 2006 05:21 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah wtf!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 26 January 2006 05:42 (thirteen years ago) link

i miss the really transparent class politics of 80s teen flicks

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 26 January 2006 05:43 (thirteen years ago) link

sort of transparent but also deflected, often into competitions of physical skillz, cf. footloose, breakin, quicksilver.. but yeah, usually it was "street rules" which trumped the establishment, and miyagi's ancient knowledge definitely belongs to that category

i will plug my article about breakin and beat street again here -- http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/nylpm/2002_03_01_nylpm_archive.html#11072845

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 26 January 2006 05:51 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Huh:

Superstar actor Will Smith will produce an updated version of The Karate Kid, which was originally released in 1984. The remake will feature Smith’s son Jaden Smith in his third major role since his acting debut alongside his father in the movie The Pursuit of Happyness. The original 1984 flick starred Ralph Macchio as Daniel La Russo and Pat Morita as the famous Mr. Miyagi and was set in Las Angeles California. The new version of the film, which is being written by Chris Murphy, centers around a meek young boy who lives in Beijing. He turns to a mentor to build character, defend himself against a bully and to learn that there is more to the Martial Arts than the physical element of fighting. The Karate Kid was originally produced by Jerry Weintraub, who will co-produce the updated version with Smith’s Overbrook Pictures’ James Lassiter and Ken Stovitz. The updated version of The Karate Kid is slated to begin filming in China early next year. Jaden, 10, will next be seen on the big screen in the upcoming movie The Day the Earth Stood Still.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 16:05 (ten years ago) link

just caught a montage of the final contest battles, and forgot how much i fucking loved this film. particularly the korean looking guy when he ducks under the other kid. and when he fights the fat man lol.

bracken free ditch (Ste), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:44 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

that ending fucking tears me up EVERY TIME

Guru Meditation (Ste), Sunday, 11 July 2010 17:45 (nine years ago) link

Best thing about the remake by far: evil Chinese kid. Badass.

Simon H., Sunday, 11 July 2010 18:42 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/08/03/karate_kid_lost_footage_a_close_look_at_deleted_scenes_ralph_macchio_s_audition_tape_and_more_.html

The following is a public service announcement for die-hard fans of The Karate Kid. In 2005, Sony Pictures Home Entertainment released a perfectly respectable Special Edition DVD of the movie, which included a commentary track as well as several featurettes. But nothing on the DVD compares to the trove of archival footage that director John Avildsen has posted on his YouTube channel. Nestled among home videos of Avildsen’s vacations and birthday parties are a series of clips that, when watched in sequence, comprise a shadow version of The Karate Kid, one that will change the way you think about the movie—even if, like me, you’ve already thought about it a lot.

What Avildsen has posted, in 13 ten-minute segments, is the rehearsal that he and his actors conducted before principal photography began. The footage is grainy and wobbly. Much of it is shot on location, but several scenes unfold on a sparsely appointed soundstage, with the actors pretending to turn on an invisible leaky faucet or drink an invisible glass of pungent Okinawan tea. Some of the scenes closely resemble their counterparts in the finished film, but others remain rough, with Avildsen and his team still working out how to frame the action. We see alternate approaches to scenes we know and love from the finished product. We also hear Avildsen discussing the challenges each scene presents, offering suggestions to the actors and discussing camera set-ups with his crew. Perhaps most exciting of all, we see the actors rehearsing scenes that did not make it into the movie, and several of these provide insight into plot holes that have long frustrated students of the movie. (Among the questions addressed by the footage: How did Daniel’s mother end up working at a restaurant, not at a computer start-up? And how did Daniel prevail over Dutch in the early stages of the All-Valley Under-18 Karate Tournament?)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 August 2012 17:20 (seven years ago) link

five years pass...

Here’s how YouTube Red describes the series:

“Thirty years after the events of the 1984 All Valley Karate Tournament, a down-and-out Johnny Lawrence (Zabka) seeks redemption by reopening the infamous Cobra Kai karate dojo, reigniting his rivalry with a now successful Daniel LaRusso (Macchio), who has been struggling to maintain balance in his life without the guidance of his mentor, Mr. Miyagi. The show is about two men addressing past demons and present frustrations the only way they know how: through karate.”

conrad, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 08:15 (two years ago) link

it's for real

he Karate Kid rivalry between Daniel LaRusso and Johnny Lawrence is alive and well — and will now feature a new generation.

Hours after The Hollywood Reporter exclusively broke news of YouTube Red's 10-episode Karate Kid straight-to-series sequel Cobra Kai, stars Ralph Macchio (Daniel) and William Zabka (Johnny) met the press after making a surprise appearance Friday at the Television Critics Association's summer press tour.

The actors, who have remained friends in the 30 years since The Karate Kid became a pop culture staple, briefly appeared onstage in a faux pre-fight press conference face-off and spoke with reporters, including THR, at the conclusion of YouTube's time in front of press.

Macchio revealed that the concept for the series — which picks up 30 years after Daniel topped Johnny in the All Valley Karate Tournament to find both running rival dojos — is relevant today and speaks to a new generation. He gave credit to concept writers Josh Heald (Hot Tub Time Machine) as well as duo Jon Hurwitz and Hayden Schlossberg (Harold and Kumar) delivered in their initial pitch for Cobra Kai.

"What made me say yes after all these years — and I've been very protective of the franchise and where Daniel LaRusso sits in the world 30 years later — these guys, Josh, Hayden and Jon had such a smart and fresh angle in. It was relevant today yet had all the pop culture — they had the perfect marriage and angle in bringing it from the Johnny Lawrence [point of view]," he said. "It's not unlike how Creed was a film that was about Apollo Creed's son but you had Rocky Balboa in it in a certain way. [Cobra Kai] is not the first time anyone looks at a fresh angle from the villain's point of view, but it was just smart to go that way and to cover these dual lives and do a rivalry series in a smart and funny way, and on top of that infuse the high school world — which is a big part of the show as well — for the new generation."

Cobra Kai, which will debut in 2018, will explore Daniel as a father who is drawn back to the dojo when Johnny reopens Cobra Kai.

"Johnny befriends one [of Daniel's kids], and that is how it connects that world into our own rivalry world," Macchio said. "There's a tremendous amount of heart and kick-ass action sequences and martial arts, but the inherent humor comes from the fact that these are two guys who are in their 50s and still have an ax to grind. It goes back to those places where you just can't let go and you're still a teenager at heart and yet balancing your adult life — it's like the rise of the Cobra Kai. It's the worst nightmare for someone like Daniel LaRusso."

The actor — who has had multiple offers to step back into the dojo as Daniel over the years — said the absence of mentor Mr. Miyagi (the late Pat Morita) will be central to the show, which has both comedic and dramatic moments.

"In the early stages of us pitching to the networks, it was really important to me to have that element and that void that's in Daniel's life right now," he said of the series, which landed at subscription service YouTube Red after a multiple-network bidding war that included Netflix, Amazon, Hulu and others. "He used to train his oldest daughter when she was a kid, but now she's at the age where it's not as cool to hang out with dad. So there's a real void in his life when he doesn't have that. Mr. Miyagi is the human Yoda to young Luke Skywalker. So as an adult and a parent — my kids are in their 20s now — I would love to have had Mr. Miyagi's wisdom many times in raising my own kids. There's a piece of that void in his life that is going to resonate on the dramatic side of the show and where martial arts, [which] was such a piece of his adolescence and young adulthood, is now brought back by the nemesis raising the banner on the Cobra Kai. And now Daniel can't sit and let that happen."

To hear Zabka and Macchio tell it, both actors had trepidation about stepping back into the roles that defined their careers at a young age. But both commended the script, timing of the project and its straight-to-series model on YouTube Red, which will allow a new generation to experience the magic of The Karate Kid.

"It was not easy to get me to do it. I've been asked and pitched many times over the years. This was a smart and fresh angle, and I believe things happen at a certain time for a certain reason, and this was just the right time," Macchio said. "If this was a broadcast television pilot and then wait and see? This is the way to do it. Audiences now gravitate to this type of platform for entertainment. It was timing and the angle that these guys had with the story."

The formal Cobra Kai announcement drew top brass from producers Sony Pictures Television Studios, including new presidents Jeff Frost and Jason Clodfelter as well as Sony Pictures Entertainment chairman and CEO Tony Vinciquerra. Cobra Kai is the first sale from the independent studio to YouTube Red. The digital platform's head of originals, Susanne Daniels, also noted that she knew Cobra Kai was something she wanted as the platform looks to age up its scripted originals from 18-34 to the more advertiser-coveted 18-49. The concept of the show, she noted, will appeal to both adults and a new generation, with Macchio and Zabka revealing that Cobra Kai would explore how Daniel and Johnny changed over the years as well as the new challenges they face.

"He's become very successful and maybe has lost a little bit of touch — he needs to have flaws, and he had flaws as a kid and he will have them as an adult. His heart is always in the right place," Macchio said. "As I've done at 50-something years old, there comes a time where part of your life creates some challenges: raising teenagers, trying to handle your successful business and having your nemesis come back 30 years later [that] keep you up at night just because of the importance of carrying on the Miyagi legacy. Then how Daniel's wife will embrace or not embrace this new chapter of him now going back to the dojo. I'm looking forward to that evolution."

Added Zabka: "They've gone on with their lives, but that rivalry is always still there. It's like a football game you lost in high school but the whole world saw it. It's always there: 'If only I just did this…'"

Zabka also noted that Cobra Kai — titled because it is less Daniel's story and more about both he and Johnny — would explore Johnny's backstory as well.

"Through this show, you get to see who he was and where he came from. I never saw Johnny as a bad guy; I always saw him as the antagonist but at his core, he had a good heart," Zabka told THR. "At the beginning of the first movie, he said he had one year to make it all work and that's what he wanted to do. He was an ex-degenerate. Then LaRusso comes in town and turns his world upside down. At the very end, he hands him a trophy and says, 'You're all right, LaRusso.' He has a good heart and they tap into that in the show. You're going to empathize with him. He's still tough and rough around the edges, but it's a really smart and fun take on it and I think it'll be really entertaining."

All told, Zabka summed up what it feels like to reunite with Macchio on Cobra Kai: "It's like getting reacquainted with an old friend. We have our peace to make between the two of us."

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 09:05 (two years ago) link

last chance cash grab

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 21:07 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

So like a season and a half into Cobra Kai I can say it's both fan service city and way, way better than it has any right to be. Macchio is kinda the weak link, but Zabka is surprisingly good and kinda legit hilarious at times, and most of the kids are really great. I thoroughly expect to see Xolo Maridueña become a big star down the road (please note that I have only previously made such a bold proclamation about Donald Glover and Kate McKinnon early in their respective careers so I clearly have an eye for talent for which Hollywood should be paying me handsomely).

there is a Cobra Kai show?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 13:29 (four months ago) link

Just renewed for a third season, even! It's on YouTube Red, though (their streaming service, which features one original program as far as I can tell). Definitely worth checking out if you're a fan of the movie, and I think I'd mildly recommend it even if you weren't.

Xolo Maridueña aka the boy in 1956 in twin peaks the return part 8!

I saw the first couple of eps of this - cute but not high on my list of things to come back to

milkshake chuk (wins), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 14:29 (four months ago) link

Wow, did not even realize he was the kid in The Return!

The show is heavily reliant on reference to the films in the early episodes and the first season in general, but it's starting to find its own voice in the second season. I figured they'd be working around Zabka's limitations to an excessive degree but he's really been bringing it. They've even hit some legitimately affecting emotional beats (although I'm old and well up at the violin-scored drop of a hat so my perspective may be suspect).

Yeah Cobra Kai is pretty great & has a good sense of humor -def worth checking out

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:16 (four months ago) link


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