"Ingmar Bergman's films utterly depressing" -- Ingmar Bergman

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So is Bergman as a human being.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 10 July 2006 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link

"Another great couple of examples of the strength of American cinema is American Beauty and Magnolia." - Interview with Jan Aghed in the Swedish daily newspaper Sydsvenska Dagbladet (May 2002)

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 July 2006 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link

that's not so outlandish.

i don't know, bergman having occasionally questionable taste is something i don't care too much about, it's bergman recklessly insulting other filmmakers that seems a bit gauche. also anyone making common cause with john simon is pretty suspect.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 10 July 2006 18:41 (fourteen years ago) link

leaving aside his being a misogynist nazi for a moment, simon's balking at the supposed obscurantism of godard is sort of weird considering his idea of the apogee of cinema is...ingmar bergman's "persona."

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 10 July 2006 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link

on orson welles:

"For me he's just a hoax. It's empty. It's not interesting. It's dead. Citizen Kane, which I have a copy of— is all the critics' darling, always at the top of every poll taken, but I think it's a total bore. Above all, the performances are worthless. The amount of respect that movie's got is absolutely unbelievable."

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link

the weird part of that quote is him specifying that he has a copy of it - imagine having a copy of citizen kane!!!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link

what he doesn't say is that it's a VCD.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Woah! 'himself'?
I always thought Ingmar Bergman was one of those glamorous filmstar women.

mei (mei), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Woah! 'himself'?
I always thought Ingmar Bergman was one of those glamorous filmstar women.

He doesn't look very glamorous in that link.

mei (mei), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link

TS: Ingrid Bergman vs. Ingmar Bergman

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link

funny how she actually ended up in one of his films! i guess they were tired of folks making that joke...

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 10 July 2006 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link

amateurist, did you get around to seeing any ingmar films? what d'you think?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 July 2006 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link

HE DIRECTS FILMS OF COURSE HE'S A BIG WEIRD ASSHOLE

trees (treesessplode), Monday, 10 July 2006 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link

though I love the religious trilogy.

trees (treesessplode), Monday, 10 July 2006 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

RIP :-(

Hanna, Monday, 30 July 2007 08:45 (twelve years ago) link

8( have just watched 'Persona' and 'Sawdust And Tinsel' and 'Journey into Autumn' and those two documentaries about him on bbc4 in the last couple of weeks. Seventh Seal has just been re-released in cinemas here too, i must find out where it's on.

koogs, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:09 (twelve years ago) link

rip

hstencil, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:20 (twelve years ago) link

Damn. Damn. Damn.

MsLaura, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:26 (twelve years ago) link

was going to see transformers today but now feel kind of guilty.

Gukbe, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:39 (twelve years ago) link

actually, watching the film with an overwhelming feeling of guilt might be the most fitting tribute to bergman i can think of.

Gukbe, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:42 (twelve years ago) link

:-(

G00blar, Monday, 30 July 2007 10:15 (twelve years ago) link

Robots Is Pissguys

RJG, Monday, 30 July 2007 11:10 (twelve years ago) link

RIP, though, really, and I'll go and see transformers

RJG, Monday, 30 July 2007 11:10 (twelve years ago) link

Ingmar Bergman R.I.P.

Zeno, Monday, 30 July 2007 11:37 (twelve years ago) link

Gukbe OTM.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 30 July 2007 12:38 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

So, can somebody explain to me what made Persona a parable about the Vietnam conflict? I've heard this mentioned several times, and beyond the self-immolation fragment in the opening montage I don't understand the connection. Answers appreciated, this has been bothering me for some time and Film Four's Bergman season means its bothering me again.

I know, right?, Friday, 1 August 2008 11:51 (eleven years ago) link

The parallel is made by zealous film professors.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 1 August 2008 13:09 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah but based on what? It's always puzzled me, I can't even see it in a tenuous way

I know, right?, Saturday, 2 August 2008 01:05 (eleven years ago) link

I'll keep this in mind if I stay up during Film Four's screening tomorrow night.

Doubt I'll stay with it...

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 2 August 2008 14:49 (eleven years ago) link

No it's really gripping all the way through, esp once they get to the house, but Vietnam?

I know, right?, Saturday, 2 August 2008 16:09 (eleven years ago) link

my Bergman prof didn't mention vietnam. Just a lot of stuff about the opening montage being a summation of the history of cinema and the rest the film discussed in terms of "psychological vampirism".

dan selzer, Saturday, 2 August 2008 16:13 (eleven years ago) link

see now, that's what I got

I know, right?, Saturday, 2 August 2008 16:14 (eleven years ago) link

seven months pass...

Finally watched Seventh Seal last night...sort of a duty-to-the-classic-canon thing rather than because I really wanted to watch it. But I was surprised how much I enjoyed it.

if you put sci3ntology thru a brita filter 4 times you get ILX (WmC), Sunday, 29 March 2009 15:37 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

I saw it just now and it'sastoundingly brilliant. Fucking funny, sad, human, triumphant, frightening study of death and the unknowability of the divine. With a truly inspired ensemble cast, and that one scene with the eating of wild strawberries ("I will never forget this moment") which almost had me weeping for joy

cockles (country matters), Sunday, 16 August 2009 04:35 (ten years ago) link

so, was amateurist joking when he said he never saw a bergman film in 2004?

if he wasn't, i am really fucking stunned!

Persona has to be one of the 10 greatest, no doubt in my mind.

t0dd swiss, Sunday, 16 August 2009 04:54 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXGFo2WI2aw

Zeno, Saturday, 10 October 2009 05:39 (ten years ago) link

Witless.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Saturday, 10 October 2009 06:01 (ten years ago) link

seven months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17fGOC0IC9I

anyone who mistakes bergman for being austere/cold/humourless should see this movie

<3 it

kinda reminds me of the muppet show

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Monday, 17 May 2010 03:54 (ten years ago) link

Oh dear god no song gets stuck in my head like Papageno!

I had no idea he did a The Magic Flute.

it is... wonderful.

please to see it.

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 03:10 (ten years ago) link

it would be great to watch this on a big screen outdoors this summer, i feel

planes/octaves/dimensions of existence (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 03:36 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpIUYzxlpjw

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 03:43 (ten years ago) link

also anyone making common cause with john simon is pretty suspect.

*hisses and boos*

Simon is terrific and his reviews were wickedly funny. Your point about Simon trashing the abstruse but digging "Persona" is kinda OTM though

Cunga, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 03:43 (ten years ago) link

kinda did a little tribute to magic flute here

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 16:09 (ten years ago) link

That's great!

frozen cookie (Abbott), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 16:25 (ten years ago) link

thk u!

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 16:27 (ten years ago) link

I have pushed this o the top of my Netflix queue btw. I am so stoked!

frozen cookie (Abbott), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 16:29 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

his real dad was Steve jobs

Latham Green, Thursday, 26 May 2011 19:09 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

I watched the "film" version of Scenes From a Marriage about sixteen years ago. Criterion released both versions. Is the TV version better?

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 00:30 (seven years ago) link

Wild Strawberries is still my favorite of all of Bergman’s films. It is expansive and kind-hearted. It worries about the regrets we all have over the instances of rejection and distance that take place in the course of our lives but in the end it understands that compassion overrides everything. It is amazing that he made this when he was 39 years old

Dan S, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 02:28 (seven months ago) link

I've realized I've been wrong about Autumn Sonata because I've denied how closely it cuts to the bone. I know way too many mothers and daughters in this same cycle of rage and affection.

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, June 4, 2019

There has always been praise for Ingrid Bergman in Autumn Sonata, but seeing it now Liv Ullmann’s performance seems as great. They are both particularly good in their scenes with each other

Dan S, Monday, 25 November 2019 00:25 (seven months ago) link

Pretty surprised by Dreams, a masterpiece by anyone else. I know Godard was a big fan (he either reviewed it in full or in passing, but he cited it a lot in his early criticism), anyway I'm pretty sure he lifted the opening shot of Alphaville from the train sequence in Dreams. Solidly second tier Bergman imo—a movie that lingers like a dream and feels just as elusive and emotionally obscure.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 05:15 (seven months ago) link

Dreams is one of the Bergman films I’ve missed, along with Sawdust and Tinsel

Dan S, Monday, 9 December 2019 23:50 (seven months ago) link

The first half of Fanny and Alexander is lovely and heartwarming, even when the events progress into sadness. The increasing cruelty of life in the Vergérus household in the second half is distressing but is made endurable because of Alexander’s optimism and bravery, and because the story is eventually overtaken by mystical events and by the return of Emilie, Fanny, and Alexander to the family

Dan S, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 00:58 (seven months ago) link

Dreams doesn't appear to be streaming or on US disc

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 02:17 (seven months ago) link

It's in the big ol' box

Simon H., Tuesday, 10 December 2019 02:21 (seven months ago) link

(aside from a massive Criterion IB collection, that is -- no stand-alone) xp

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 02:25 (seven months ago) link

Dreams is on the Criterion Channel, as is Sawdust and Tinsel, I'm looking forward to seeing them

Dan S, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 02:31 (seven months ago) link

The Devil's Eye is much better than his later attempt at comedy All These Women. not great, but very good

flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 02:33 (seven months ago) link

I wonder what he made of his daughter Anna's acting career?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Bergman

Bergman mostly appeared as a performer in several British sex comedies during the late 1970s including the title role in Penelope Pulls It Off (1975), Adventures of a Taxi Driver (1976), Intimate Games (1976), Come Play with Me (1977) and What's Up Superdoc! (1978)

AMM stands for Axe-Murdering Motherfuckers (Matt #2), Saturday, 14 December 2019 12:05 (six months ago) link

"Anna Bergman's films utterly depressing" -- Ingmar Bergman

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 December 2019 12:06 (six months ago) link

"as told to an ILX reporter."

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2019 12:08 (six months ago) link

three weeks pass...

The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

So I finally knuckled down and watched The Seventh Seal. This film is such a piece of world cultural heritage it's really beyond criticism. But the above quote couldn't be more poignant, given the fires in Australia and Brazil, and other prominent climate changes. I suppose I really ought to take this to a politics thread.

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 15:11 (six months ago) link


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