"Ingmar Bergman's films utterly depressing" -- Ingmar Bergman

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So is Bergman as a human being.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 10 July 2006 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link

"Another great couple of examples of the strength of American cinema is American Beauty and Magnolia." - Interview with Jan Aghed in the Swedish daily newspaper Sydsvenska Dagbladet (May 2002)

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 July 2006 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link

that's not so outlandish.

i don't know, bergman having occasionally questionable taste is something i don't care too much about, it's bergman recklessly insulting other filmmakers that seems a bit gauche. also anyone making common cause with john simon is pretty suspect.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 10 July 2006 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link

leaving aside his being a misogynist nazi for a moment, simon's balking at the supposed obscurantism of godard is sort of weird considering his idea of the apogee of cinema is...ingmar bergman's "persona."

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 10 July 2006 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link

on orson welles:

"For me he's just a hoax. It's empty. It's not interesting. It's dead. Citizen Kane, which I have a copy of— is all the critics' darling, always at the top of every poll taken, but I think it's a total bore. Above all, the performances are worthless. The amount of respect that movie's got is absolutely unbelievable."

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link

the weird part of that quote is him specifying that he has a copy of it - imagine having a copy of citizen kane!!!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link

what he doesn't say is that it's a VCD.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Woah! 'himself'?
I always thought Ingmar Bergman was one of those glamorous filmstar women.

mei (mei), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Woah! 'himself'?
I always thought Ingmar Bergman was one of those glamorous filmstar women.

He doesn't look very glamorous in that link.

mei (mei), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link

TS: Ingrid Bergman vs. Ingmar Bergman

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link

funny how she actually ended up in one of his films! i guess they were tired of folks making that joke...

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 10 July 2006 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link

amateurist, did you get around to seeing any ingmar films? what d'you think?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 July 2006 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link

HE DIRECTS FILMS OF COURSE HE'S A BIG WEIRD ASSHOLE

trees (treesessplode), Monday, 10 July 2006 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link

though I love the religious trilogy.

trees (treesessplode), Monday, 10 July 2006 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

RIP :-(

Hanna, Monday, 30 July 2007 08:45 (twelve years ago) link

8( have just watched 'Persona' and 'Sawdust And Tinsel' and 'Journey into Autumn' and those two documentaries about him on bbc4 in the last couple of weeks. Seventh Seal has just been re-released in cinemas here too, i must find out where it's on.

koogs, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:09 (twelve years ago) link

rip

hstencil, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:20 (twelve years ago) link

Damn. Damn. Damn.

MsLaura, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:26 (twelve years ago) link

was going to see transformers today but now feel kind of guilty.

Gukbe, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:39 (twelve years ago) link

actually, watching the film with an overwhelming feeling of guilt might be the most fitting tribute to bergman i can think of.

Gukbe, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:42 (twelve years ago) link

:-(

G00blar, Monday, 30 July 2007 10:15 (twelve years ago) link

Robots Is Pissguys

RJG, Monday, 30 July 2007 11:10 (twelve years ago) link

RIP, though, really, and I'll go and see transformers

RJG, Monday, 30 July 2007 11:10 (twelve years ago) link

Ingmar Bergman R.I.P.

Zeno, Monday, 30 July 2007 11:37 (twelve years ago) link

Gukbe OTM.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 30 July 2007 12:38 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

So, can somebody explain to me what made Persona a parable about the Vietnam conflict? I've heard this mentioned several times, and beyond the self-immolation fragment in the opening montage I don't understand the connection. Answers appreciated, this has been bothering me for some time and Film Four's Bergman season means its bothering me again.

I know, right?, Friday, 1 August 2008 11:51 (eleven years ago) link

The parallel is made by zealous film professors.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 1 August 2008 13:09 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah but based on what? It's always puzzled me, I can't even see it in a tenuous way

I know, right?, Saturday, 2 August 2008 01:05 (eleven years ago) link

I'll keep this in mind if I stay up during Film Four's screening tomorrow night.

Doubt I'll stay with it...

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 2 August 2008 14:49 (eleven years ago) link

No it's really gripping all the way through, esp once they get to the house, but Vietnam?

I know, right?, Saturday, 2 August 2008 16:09 (eleven years ago) link

my Bergman prof didn't mention vietnam. Just a lot of stuff about the opening montage being a summation of the history of cinema and the rest the film discussed in terms of "psychological vampirism".

dan selzer, Saturday, 2 August 2008 16:13 (eleven years ago) link

see now, that's what I got

I know, right?, Saturday, 2 August 2008 16:14 (eleven years ago) link

seven months pass...

Finally watched Seventh Seal last night...sort of a duty-to-the-classic-canon thing rather than because I really wanted to watch it. But I was surprised how much I enjoyed it.

if you put sci3ntology thru a brita filter 4 times you get ILX (WmC), Sunday, 29 March 2009 15:37 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

I saw it just now and it'sastoundingly brilliant. Fucking funny, sad, human, triumphant, frightening study of death and the unknowability of the divine. With a truly inspired ensemble cast, and that one scene with the eating of wild strawberries ("I will never forget this moment") which almost had me weeping for joy

cockles (country matters), Sunday, 16 August 2009 04:35 (ten years ago) link

so, was amateurist joking when he said he never saw a bergman film in 2004?

if he wasn't, i am really fucking stunned!

Persona has to be one of the 10 greatest, no doubt in my mind.

t0dd swiss, Sunday, 16 August 2009 04:54 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXGFo2WI2aw

Zeno, Saturday, 10 October 2009 05:39 (ten years ago) link

Witless.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Saturday, 10 October 2009 06:01 (ten years ago) link

seven months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17fGOC0IC9I

anyone who mistakes bergman for being austere/cold/humourless should see this movie

<3 it

kinda reminds me of the muppet show

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Monday, 17 May 2010 03:54 (nine years ago) link

Oh dear god no song gets stuck in my head like Papageno!

I had no idea he did a The Magic Flute.

it is... wonderful.

please to see it.

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 03:10 (nine years ago) link

it would be great to watch this on a big screen outdoors this summer, i feel

planes/octaves/dimensions of existence (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 03:36 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpIUYzxlpjw

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 03:43 (nine years ago) link

also anyone making common cause with john simon is pretty suspect.

*hisses and boos*

Simon is terrific and his reviews were wickedly funny. Your point about Simon trashing the abstruse but digging "Persona" is kinda OTM though

Cunga, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 03:43 (nine years ago) link

kinda did a little tribute to magic flute here

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 16:09 (nine years ago) link

That's great!

frozen cookie (Abbott), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 16:25 (nine years ago) link

thk u!

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 16:27 (nine years ago) link

I have pushed this o the top of my Netflix queue btw. I am so stoked!

frozen cookie (Abbott), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 16:29 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

his real dad was Steve jobs

Latham Green, Thursday, 26 May 2011 19:09 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

I watched the "film" version of Scenes From a Marriage about sixteen years ago. Criterion released both versions. Is the TV version better?

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 00:30 (six years ago) link

Those are coming up soon in my Bergman box. I haven't seen them in about 15 years, but I remember them all being brutally bleak.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 20 September 2019 02:28 (one month ago) link

they all seem to be focused on the acknowledgement of the silence of god, and the choices that the characters then have about how to live their lives: Through a Glass Darkly ultimately concluding that god is love amid the scenes of hopelessness; Winter Light, in which rational discussions of love for and belief in god and belief in human relationships reveal them to be problematic, with some hope ultimately offered for faith; The Silence, even further diminishing our confidence in faith but also maybe elevating it, offering of a huge ray of light with the character of Johan1

Dan S, Friday, 20 September 2019 02:45 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Ended up skipping over Persona, Hour of the Wolf, The Passion of Anna, and Cries and Whispers for the moment and watching Scenes from a Marriage, the theatrical version. The first time I saw it was as a teenager. It feels now like it was of its time, in a good way

Dan S, Saturday, 5 October 2019 00:47 (one month ago) link

Gotta do the long version, it's so good

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 5 October 2019 00:49 (one month ago) link

thinking I should, maybe will wait until I work my way through the rest of his films though. It does bring up for me the question of whether to watch the mini-series version or theatrical version of Fanny and Alexander

seeing this again a lot of its appeal is in the attractiveness of the two main characters, and I can now better relate to their worry about the reality of love, about the possibility of not having loved or been loved enough

Dan S, Saturday, 5 October 2019 00:57 (one month ago) link

It definitely hit me harder on my recent viewing than the previous one some 15 years ago. A big part of it is just their wonderful acting and all the long, long takes.

I prefer the theatrical F&A, it flows better, but both are worth watching.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 5 October 2019 01:13 (one month ago) link

I probably say it a couple times a year on this board, but you NEED to watch the full cut of F&A.

Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Saturday, 5 October 2019 01:46 (one month ago) link

criterion channel does have both

Dan S, Saturday, 5 October 2019 01:52 (one month ago) link

really looking forward to seeing Persona again

Dan S, Saturday, 5 October 2019 02:24 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Cries and Whisper is intense, it feels like a culmination of his surreal psychosexual dramas

Dan S, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 01:10 (one week ago) link

I like Ebert’s description that the camera darts and falls back as if stunned, then in other scenes doesn’t look away when you want it to, focusing on the close-up with extreme impassivity

Dan S, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 04:27 (one week ago) link

not sure what I think of Face to Face as a film, but Liv Ullmann is an incredible force in it

“love surrounds everything, even death” is a good resolution

Dan S, Thursday, 7 November 2019 01:21 (four days ago) link

it is kind of amazing that he allows dream scenes to take over big segments of his films

Dan S, Thursday, 7 November 2019 02:07 (four days ago) link

Face to Face is second tier Bergman. I have trouble remembering it beyond Ullmann reaction shots (as ever).

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 November 2019 02:20 (four days ago) link

it feels like a lot of his characters even if they are tragic are willing/trying to support others

I love that about his films

Dan S, Thursday, 7 November 2019 02:29 (four days ago) link


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