Let's talk about Vice Magazine

a good alternative to vice is your local library.

you don't have to go highbrow all the time but you don't need to read vice either. there are a billion other places for you to read about indie rock bands and look at tits.

andrew wk doesn't arrive in a stagecoach throwing out free energy drinks at my library.

there was so much i found odious about vice (and american apparel, for that matter) in the aughties. (i realize it's been around since the nineties but i associate it with that particular decade for whatever reasons)

howev i always thought the do's and don'ts were pretty great. i even bought the book at one point

Hipster Runoff > Vice

That Grass Widow review is just...really bad.

"there are a billion other places for you to read about indie rock bands and look at tits."
does anyone rep for suicide girls over vice? these things all seem bad. i suspect there's something structurally wrong with the kind of economies that let vice and american apparel thrive, but they seem especially culpable in that they had a hand in creating and shaping those economies. if it were divorced from how shitty they are, i'd find them really inspiring in that they created new channels for themselves when everyone else flopped around dying (vice is apparently taught in business school as a case study of how to succeed in publishing/media), but it seems that being shitty and gross is part of that model, like if you tried to do the same thing they did, but not be shitty and gross, you'd be shut out.

not a Vice fan, but I actually find Hipster Runoff to be even more hateful/mysoginistic and all-around nihilistic in a suburban gamer kind of way, and think the kid usually really means it. he seems to have utter contempt for artists or anyone that actually creates anything too, from what I can tell. xxp

*misogynistic

I think the "really means it" and "utter contempt" are pretty much the joke?

isn't the joke that he doesn't have utter contempt but is actually really enthusiastic? the truth is that he thinks it's all shit.

feel like i don't even know what a "joke" is anymore

I got the impression he didn't necessarily give a shit either way or liked some things and disliked others but wrote about them all the same

i imagine you've gotta be somewhat invested in this stuff to write a prolific blog about it, but is he really celebrating browavecore?

I read Arthur more recently than I've read Vice

I don't think that's the entire truth of it tho. like, he takes this ambiguous/ironic tone that compels people to give him the benefit of the doubt - lest they not be in on the joke... but to tolerate all his n-words and misogyny without any cognitive dissonance people project their own values onto him - maybe too generously... because obv he knows better, he's one of us, right?

but I don't really think that's the place he's coming from. he's more 4chan nihilist/misogynist gamer than urban liberal or hipster or student or whatever, he just blogs about that world because it's become one of the things people joke about

xxxp

and re: his investment... I think he's invested in the hits/attention, but even beneath all the jokes he clearly doesn't really know his shit

itt people try to explain HRO

vice writer interviews danny dyer while she is on acid

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/shorties/danny-dyer-on-acid

fantastic idea

wd prefer Danny Dyer in acid obv

lmao @ whiney being all "what? vice is divisive and sketchy? i had no idea!"

I'm like whatever about vice but that interview was funny. don't know why but I have a great fondness for ppl on acid.

xpost i'm being like that?

I never really thought of Vice as anything but an assemblage of like good zine writers until one started writing the second most popular TV show on my Twitter feed and now I think I p much wasted my life

― la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:07 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark

idk maybe i misread this?

you did

seeing that interviewer frying made me want to drop acid again, which is something I am quite certain I should never do again

sorry i thought you were saying 'i just thought this was a quality publication, didn't know people associated it with crypto racist creepiness until one of its writers started working in TV and that became their high profile baggage'

i wasn't

seeing that interviewer frying made me want to drop acid again, which is something I am quite certain I should never do again

― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:23 AM (54 minutes ago)

haha, I had an overwhelmingly strong taste memory when she took it, then my stomach started churning

I might be tripping right now tbh

Danny "u should cut ur ex-girlfriend's face lol" Dyer cast as a guy who goes round slicing up women with a home-made shank? Sadly i can't even feign surprise.

I was very disappointed that it wasn't Dyer on acid after reading the headline.

"There are no bugs in here. This is a safe place."

Oh man, I know that feeling.

i wasn't

― some dude nights (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:46 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

did you waste your life because you read a magazine by one of the people who went on to make Girls or because you didn't try to write for a place that might one day be a springboard into working for HBO? i guess that's the part that really confused me

posting on ilx, iirc

Roffle:

https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/257196280781099008

https://twitter.com/greggutfeld/status/257196757291769856

"Damn, Myspace didn't work, hey I've heard of this new hip thing, get me the guy behind it!" "Uh, sir..."

to be fair, most of the media expansion and interesting stuff has come post-mcinnes

and he's on fox news, makes u think

He was always going to end up there.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/aug/17/rupert-murdoch-vice-magazine-stake

https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/257199865879224320

they've gotten so good as-of-late

They have. I liked this article I read earlier today. http://www.vice.com/read/irish-models-media-misogyny-roisin-kiberd-129

a little weird hearing "sponsored by VICE" before public radio shows like this american life now

His insult and lack of regard for the work my colleagues had done for decades covering war, genocide and famine in Africa put blood in my eye, and I suggested that “Just because you put on a” — insert spicy, unprintable modifier here — “safari helmet and looked at some poop doesn’t give you the right to insult what we do.”

The skirmish didn’t seem relevant to the column, but Andrew Rossi, who was making a documentary about The Times, was filming the scene, and it became an oft-cited bit to suggest that Vice’s news ambitions were minimal.

Being the crusty old-media scold felt good at the time, but recent events suggest that Vice is deadly serious about doing real news that people, yes, even young people, will actually watch. And given that Vice has been in talks with Time Warner for a partnership that may include its bringing its guerrilla aesthetic to an entire news channel, it’s worth looking at its growth and development as a source of hard news.

say whatever you will about vice, i really don't think we need another 24 hr news channel

the amount of times i've read something awesome on vice and then read something so eye-cuntingly awful it's made me hate vice all over again...

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2015/02/18/vice-media-chief-said-to-pay-300000-for-dinner-for-30/

I can't even imagine the menu that would lead to a bill like that.

http://media.boreme.com/post_media/2009/billionaire-lunch-receipt.jpg

just a few bottles of whatever the most expensive wine is