xxp It took the awesome bits from the mostly boring pilot and made them watchable by putting some more awesome stuff around them.
― Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
It blows my mind how 10 or 12 shows is now considered an HBO "season." Wimps and their "quality."
I believe original Star Trek did 26 shows a year, not 22? In the '50s, the norm for a series was 39.
As for The Menagerie, it was just a way to use 95% of the original pilot, with a wraparound.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
Even with a dull episode of TOS you can at least marvel at all the pretty colors.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
has way more instances of boring tehcnobabble where nothing happens for 40 minutes
No that would be Voyager.
― Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
if you really are bored of the technobabble, i have something for you
(i forgot i did this)
https://vimeo.com/33635230pw: crusher
― brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
OG crew > TNG crew, because the OG crew never had a Wesley Crusher or a Commander Riker or a Deanna Troi
I enjoy both shows tho
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
TOS seasons 1 & 2, 26 episodes each. Season 3 had 24 episodes.
― Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
Menagerie uses a clip show to tell Captain Pike's story and it's great HARRUMPH
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
agree with this
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
don't you dare talk shit about riker
― brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
I don't remember TNG as being so slow in the 90s, but it's amazing to watch at 1.5x speed
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
I'm a doctor, not a fast-forwarder
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:48 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
lolling at "you're a clip show" btw
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
same
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
flexing my rhetoric muscles itt, lol
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
Not only that, but there were several more minutes of show than there are now. I think there were only 8-9 minutes of commercials in an hourlong back then.
― Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
Each TOS ep is just over 50 mins.
― Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
Riker used to annoy the hell out of me (he's such a relentless poonhound) but he's grown on me over the years. A few nights ago we watched the season four ep where he's living undercover among people about to develop warp technology and he gets captured and this nurse is like, "I'll let you go, but you have to bone me first" and Riker's just like, "rmde okay, lady, let's go." Which I like to read as a parody of his earlier (and Kirk's) horndoggery around sexy aliens.
(I also like how in Voyager they turned the Handsome Rogue into a smitten family man and let the nerdy Chinese guy be the (varyingly successful) ladies man.)
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it's so great that they made the kirk character the second-in-command who basically spends half the time barking out the orders picard can't be bothered to
― brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
Episode generatorhttp://www.bargaintuan.com/sttngplotgen/
― Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vcCojlE9AQ
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
once TNG gets rolling it can be pretty good, but the first season is so fucking awful. it's just episode after episode of numbing incompetence, albeit with a few memorable camp moments here and there. it makes for a tough contrast with TOS where the first season was the best.
(i know TNG starts in 87 but it feels so 90s. i started in 1987 too and i feel pretty 90s.)― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Monday, June 18, 2012 11:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Monday, June 18, 2012 11:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
boy do i disagree! TNG is as 80s-to-the-core as magnum PI. well it's probably more accurate to say that the 80s seasons are super 80s-y; by the end of the run it does feel like a very 90s show. but i mean look at these guys:
http://i.imgur.com/ZYRvj.jpg
just offscreen: an orange julius and a theater showing beverly hills cop ii
plus the smug new age touchy feeliness that is the show's foundation just reads california, 1980s to me
TNG was god to me when i was a kid but now i greatly prefer TOS. TNG's brand of humanism seems deeply creepy and fucked up now, the enterprise and its crew often come off like a megachurch in space. TOS was possessed of a more hotblooded brand of utopianism that feels more human to me, and also lends itself to drama much more naturally. plus the characters are way better and i find it more aesthetically appealing, especially the colorful expressionist art direction.
― Black_vegeta (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
A lot of early TNG badness is pretty much recycled TOS badness, so it's kind of strange to compare them because they are the same badness!later TNG badness was more like Twin Peaks badness. It was basically Twin Peaks in space during the low moments.
Horny club-handed nurse was LIlith from Cheers! Kirstie Alley was supposed to reprise Saavik role in that Frasier cameo at the end of Yesterday's Enterprise but that never happened. TNG has aged better than Cheers, I think. If you listen to the Borg battle in First Contact, you can hear Frazier on the com traffic.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
Horny club-handed nurse was LIlith from Cheers!
Ah! I thought she looked familiar!
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
cheers has aged super well imho
― brony ver (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
ive actually been watching both a lot lately thanks 2 netflix
there's this really bad teaser that starts off great. everyone explains to woody what this one far side cartoon means. it's pretty funny to hear people try to explain far side cartoons, and you realize there could be just an entire tv series where people just sit around explaining far side cartoons. but, the writers have kind of written themselves into a corner, so woody gets mad for really no good reason at all, except lazy writing.
also really terrible: carla is upset that her nephew or someone is going to be named benito mussolini. that's the major plot! how do they resolve this? they name the kid benito mussolini.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
the teaser where lilith stuffs her whole fist into her mouth is pretty great, but the closest this series comes to "city on the edge of forever" is that episode where Norm has existential nightmares about his job firing people.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
Never really watched much of TOS but I got a lot of love for TNG, sure it's no less cornball than TOS in general, but some of the episodes are seriously intense & determined, in particular the headfuck episodes like Frame of Mind and Remember Me are just awesome. Any TOS episodes that might push similar buttons?
― Jesu swept (ledge), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
that weird alien avatar that kid clint howard used to scare kirk will give you nightmares forever, if that's what you were looking for:http://static.flickr.com/72/154780386_ae28500d09.jpg
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
That is SO AWESOME!
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 23:33 (eleven years ago) link
oh man, I used to always have to look away when that popped up at the end of the credits
― Chris S, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
and yet still not as frightening as his true form
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
Loved when Futurama did their big Trek episode, and then did the closing credits in the style of TOS.
http://theinfosphere.org/images/thumb/7/7b/Kifbalok.jpg/180px-Kifbalok.jpg
― Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 00:26 (eleven years ago) link
William Burroughs VIII
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 00:48 (eleven years ago) link
"They say... that wrinkled earlobes are a sure sign of... wait a minute, I don't have any earlobes."
― Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 07:14 (eleven years ago) link
"When I became captain of the Fesarius, I decided to extend asylum to certain citizens who were persona non grata elsewhere in the area on account of their disquieting and disgusting habits."
― Meet the G that Skrilled me... (snoball), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 07:15 (eleven years ago) link
Replace "David Gerrold" with "Harlan Ellison," still true!
― Stumpy Joe's Cafe (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:17 (eleven years ago) link
never really watched trek growing up, was sci-fi skeptic in general really, knew and enjoyed some of the movies, caught a few episodes of tng when it was on and somehow got the impression that as it was 'actually' good it was 'actually' better than tos. watching tos now via netflix/amazon i can see that i was RONG. i'm still very early in just yet but so far of the ensemble that make up the core in the movies (ie NOT yeoman rand, which really feels like this dark secret my trekkie friends have kept from me over the years) are really great, when the writing or plot is subpar they really carry it thru and when you actually get a great episode like the one i just watched 'mudds women' it raises it to another level, nimoy is fantastic which is no surprise but what has surprised me is just how great shatner is on this, can't believe now that 'who is the best captain' is even a discussion.
― balls, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 03:28 (eleven years ago) link
otm
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 03:54 (eleven years ago) link
TNG was god okay to me when i was a kid teen, but now i greatly prefer TOS. TNG's brand of humanism seems deeply creepy and fucked up now, the enterprise and its crew often come off like a megachurch in space. TOS was possessed of a more hotblooded brand of utopianism that feels more human to me, and also lends itself to drama much more naturally. plus the characters are way better and i find it more aesthetically appealing, especially the colorful expressionist art direction.
― Black_vegeta (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:29 AM (1 week ago)
this too
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 03:56 (eleven years ago) link
wait, mudd's women was one of the clunkers. it's kind of messed up on a lot of levels but the conclusion makes no sense at all. the only worse ending that comes to mind is the one where spock goes, "oh i'm not blind after all, i have an extra eyelid that I forgot about BECAUSE VULCANS ARE SO GOOD AT FORGETTING STUFF"
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 04:15 (eleven years ago) link
what has surprised me is just how great shatner is on this, can't believe now that 'who is the best captain' is even a discussion.― balls, Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:28 AM (1 hour ago)
― balls, Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:28 AM (1 hour ago)
yeah for sure -- don't wanna spoil in case you haven't seen it yet but shatner is especially good in 'city on the edge of forever,' and the last few minutes of that episode is the single most shattering moment in ST history. nothing in TNG or any of the movies (except maybe end of wrath of khan) really touches that for me.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 04:51 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toG6aSQFF7Y
― Black_vegeta (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 05:14 (eleven years ago) link
mudd's women for me feels like the first one i've seen so far where the show is fully formed and confident, sulu's on the bridge and not just some oddball hobbyist, spock is less of an outsider asshole they feel the need to mock w/ song, villain is actually charismatic and somewhat surprising, no yeoman rand. nice tension between the crew also, scottie reminds of so many old boiler techs i knew in the navy, this general sense of 'fuck everybody who doesn't actually make this ship go and i'm who actually makes this ship go', his exasperation w/ the situation here keeps popping up here to the point that kirk finally actually snaps at him. i also really liked that my 'wtf these women aren't even that attractive' is addressed in the story!
― balls, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 10:33 (eleven years ago) link
Mudd's Women is an atrocity.
We're almost through the first season of TOS and I've found that the episodes I like the best are the ones with few or no women in them. Return of the Archons had a great story, but it went completely off the rails when Kirk talked the computer to death. I also really liked The Devil in the Dark. But I'm pretty tired of Kirk's smug moralizing about the essential nature of "man" at the end of most of the episodes.
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 12:40 (eleven years ago) link
Also that whole "relentlessly sexist" thing, which is why I prefer eps w/out women. Then I don't have to deal with soft focus tight shots of their faces, or stripper music while a crew member leers at them, or soft tinkling music while a crew member falls in love with them, or the tired tired TIRED plotline of "beautiful woman is really ugly, tricks crew into popping boners for her," or yet another plot line that revolves around a woman who is supposedly a scientist completely throwing her professionalism out the window because she gets wind of a dude in a pair of tight pants, putting the crew into grave danger, because women! Amirite, dudes??!?!?! Just ugh. Endless ugh.
FYI the actor who played Yeoman Rand developed a huge drinking problem and stopped appearing in the show after awhile.
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 12:44 (eleven years ago) link
! I never knew that was what happened to her!
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 12:51 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Grace_Lee_Whitney
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 12:52 (eleven years ago) link