New Apple Lust Objects

lets all agree to disagree

is it possible that the matter will be resolved by means of an app? if so, perhaps the issue is irrelevant to whether the phone is purchased now or later.

perhaps apple just judges that its market is not composed of the sort of people who like to text phone pictures with their friends

occasionally someone sends u a photo u laugh and never look at it again big deal

MMS should be part of the std product suite. Sony Ericssons, Nokia, Motos, Samsungs, LGs etc all do MMS as standard, even some of the older ones w/out cameras. In fact I srsly cannot think of a single phone with camera that does not at least receive MMS.

The main reasons I'm still using my iPhone:

1. It was free.
2. It has more music capacity than my iPod.

The main reasons I'd buy a 3G iPhone:

1. More music capacity for less money.
2. 3G

Things I hope they'll fix:

1. The camera sucks.
2. The GPS is super-flaky.
3. Safari crashes constantly, esp. when listening to the iPod while browsing.
4. Intermittent screen freezes that require hard reboots of the phone.
5. The email interface SUCKS SO BADLY to the point where I wonder why it's there.
6. I'd use the calendar more if there was a way to display my daily appointments on the main screen.

Things I'm cautiously looking forward to:

1. App Store

The rest of the world is having one big MMS orgy and the Americans are left at home, lonely, and wanking over their MMS-incapable iPhones.

Hang on, how does HI DERE know the GPS is flaky? I mean, it probably is, but still.

yah dan yr phone doesnt hav gps

yeah its probably REALLY flaky

7. The MMS is totally way flaky.

The current Maps application has had GPS-esque functionality uding cell tower triangulation since either the 1.1.3 or 1.1.4 update.

So yes, inaccurate use of the term "GPS" but that's the closest the phone gets without jailbreaking it and downloading an app.

Not really, that's just as close as you'd get by jailbreaking. They're adding actual GPS hardware, without it it's all just guessing.

MMS works flaky cross-carrier and even within some carriers. Don't a bunch of them still tag on extra text, make users go to a website, or resize images without asking?

And let me echo, what about Snow Leopard? The Exchange support alone is going to be a killer thing as far as businesses go but I haven't really seen all the retarded "Apple finally supports business customers" articles that I'm sure will show up.

Those UK prices are pretty amazing really. I mean, I'd long ago resigned myself to getting one of these when they finally arrived. But the last thing I expected was that getting one would actually save me money, with no initial outlay at all. That's how it'll work out though - currently I pay about £50 a month to Orange, so if I switch to a £45 O2 contract and get the free handset, I'm instantly better off plus I've got an iphone. Irresistable.

me.com pretty exciting too, I think.

You spend £50 on your tariff! Blimey.

I know, I know. It's nuts. But still.

Good deals will make it hard to resist, even if it doesn't do half the things it should. I'm whinging about it but it does loads more than this Nokia 6210.

Setting aside my inaccurate use of the word "GPS", which I have already owned up to, I don't see how it's anyone's guess as to whether the current implementation of "current location" on the current iPhone is flaky...? I try to use the shit all the time and it only gets the location right about 60% of the attempts.

Doesn't it try to triangulate your position by bouncing off three different masts (or soemthing)? But I'd guess areas where 3 different masts are visible aren't really common enough for that to work more than about, ooh, 60% of the time.

Yes, but the current triangulation thing is nothing to do with GPS, so putting it on a list of things you hope they'll fix doesn't make much sense, is all. I mean, the 3G version does have GPS.

ffs

All I meant was "the current implementation sucks, I hope the new implementation doesn't".

Setting aside my inaccurate use of the word "GPS", which I have already owned up to, I don't see how it's anyone's guess as to whether the current implementation of "current location" on the current iPhone is flaky...? I try to use the shit all the time and it only gets the location right about 60% of the attempts.

-- HI DERE, Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

ya but if you KNOW it's wrong then you never needed it in the first place!

I should have put GPS in scare quotes, maybe then I would have been understood.

Let's all make up.

Dan, have you tried Google's GCal on your iPhone? It's supposed to work very well.

JimD mostly otm.

MMS works flaky cross-carrier and even within some carriers. Don't a bunch of them still tag on extra text, make users go to a website, or resize images without asking?

-- mh, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 23:29 (26 minutes ago) Link

See my post upthread about how shit MMS is.

MMS only matters to people who don't have computers (and their friends) – you NEED a computer for an iPhone, really. Flickr, et al are much more popular in American markets. Countries where the millenials are less PC reliant (Europe & Japan) traditionally (in the 2G era) had all you can eat data and non bundled phones (giving people an incentive to buy high end Nokias, etc). MMS is soooo "Eurotrash Uni Student in 2002".

(sorry, Google Calendar, not "GCal".)

I am unable to follow Jon's analysis of the MMS market.

That's because it doesn't make any sense since it's based on the assumption that everyone has a smartphone.

I knew what you meant by GCal. I haven't tried it yet but I may.

Ok, why isn't MMS more popular in the USA, Treo Lover!

I know texting is more popular outside the US because calls generally are untenably expensive.

or were untenably, perhaps

http://www.portioresearch.com/opinion_MMF.html

I agree somewhat with this based off of spending 30 seconds skimming it, which likely means it contains something shockingly wrong and/or out of date since it was published in 2007.

it doesn't have video recording either, but nobody's going to give a shit because it's got a built-in iPod and a web browser that works. The world's going to give up MMS just like it gave up playing Snake and setting a startup message.

Snow Leopard is nice as hell behind the scenes as well as having Exchange. OpenCL demo was awesome

MMS is hardly the same as Snake.

no, they're totally interchangeable; snake is just like a picture of my sister-in-law's new Honda Accord

you wouldn't believe the MMS my dad sent me.

They didn't stop playing games, though. It's just going to be Super Monkey Ball instead of Snake; and it's going to be uploading straight to facebook or Flickr instead of pissing about with tiny little pics that you can't do anything with except look at on a tiny screen.

Only if everyone can do that. Right now they can't.

I wish I could play Snake on my iPhone.

stet, your point reminds me of when video calling hit the market here five years ago. The few people who bought video phones had nobody to call so didn't use it.

It's fine to say people should do things a particular way, but the simple fact is that people are not. Technology should aid a transition of this nature, not force it by taking away the current option.

you're free not to buy an iphone

yes i know that

It's not so simple a fact that they're not doing it now: they're not doing it now because email is a pain in the tits on most phones. Who's to say what they'll do when it's easy?

I think that uploading to facebook is a much cooler thing for MMS's target market to be able to do, anyway. It's not that there's going to be a transition, it's that people are going to forget all about MMS, and do what they always wanted to -- share pictures with their friends.

(If MobileMe wasn't too expensive, it'd be an even better way of doing this, with its picture syncing)

I agree totally, but until that happens MoMuS has to be made available. Transitions can't be forced.

okay so they can obv, but it's bad practice.

i have a feeling more than five people are gonna buy an iphone.

why should apple support everything under the sun just on principle?

Apple is known for forcing transitions successfully: first Mac had no arrow keys so ppl would use a mouse, iMac created the USB market by having no floppy drive and virtually no other ports etc etc. Even when it supports old tech, it makes it a bit clunky so ppl will try to get off it asap (Classic, Rosetta)

Yeah transitions are routinely forced in this business. Microsoft, for example, forced everybody to buy anti-virus and anti-spyware in addition to the applications they wanted to use.