"Rubber Shirt," from Sheik Yerbouti:
SPECIAL NOTE: The bass part is extracted froma four track master of a performance from Goteborg,Sweden 1974 which I had Patrick O"Hearn overdub ona medium tempo guitar solo track in 4/4. The notedchosen were more or less specified during the overdubsession, and so it was not completely an improvised"bass solo." A year and a half later, the bass track waspeeled off the Swedish master and transferred to onetrack of another studio 24 track master for a slow songin 11/4. The result of this experimental re-synchronization(the same technique was used on the Zoot Alluresalbum in "Friendly Little Finger") is the piece you arelistening to. All of the sensitive, interesting interplaybetween the bass and drums never actually happened ...also note, the guitar solo section of the song "Yo' Mama"on side four was done the same way.
One of my favorite Sheik Yerbouti tracks.
― Biff Wellington (WmC), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
I was just to talking to a big Zappaphile firend of mine, and he mentioned that some of the other "futzing" was undoing vintage edit jobs done to fit lp time constraints. He cited these two (and was only partially wrong):
Wiki on Hot Rats:
In 1987 Zappa remixed Hot Rats for re-issue on Compact Disc. "Willie the Pimp" is edited differently during the introduction and guitar solo. "The Gumbo Variations" has 4 minutes of additional material including an introduction and guitar and saxophone solo sections which were cut from the vinyl LP version. Piano and flute which were buried the LP mix of "Little Umbrellas" are prominent on the CD. Other differences include significant changes to the overall ambiance and dynamic range. The original mix was reissued in 2009 as a limited edition audiophile LP by Classic Records.
Wiki on Weasels...:
The CD version of the album features different versions of "Didja Get Any Onya?" and "Prelude to the Afternoon of a Sexually Aroused Gas Mask", which featured music edited out of the LP versions. Some of this extra music was used (in a different studio recording) as the backing track for "The Blimp" on the Captain Beefheart album Trout Mask Replica, produced by Frank Zappa.
― Electro-Shock Rory (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 01:16 (eleven years ago) link
the version on cd with added slap bass is a whole new level of awful though
― zappi
I was trying to youtube some songs off it a few years back, and the only versions that came up were from this, which I hadn't been aware of before, and I was seriously appalled. Especially since the original WOIIFTM is one of my all-time faves.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 12:04 (eleven years ago) link
What he did to "Ruben & the Jets" was criminal
― Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 12:12 (eleven years ago) link
But it was his music, I suppose he could do what he liked with it
― Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 12:13 (eleven years ago) link
I was happy when the Family Trust rectified the Reuben redux last year.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 12:15 (eleven years ago) link
― Tom D (Tom D.)
the crimes of george lucas ('90s on)
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 12:20 (eleven years ago) link
They did? I must have missed this!
― Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 12:23 (eleven years ago) link
They released it as Greasy Love Songs.
http://www.zappa.com/fz/discography/2010greasylovesongs.html
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 12:27 (eleven years ago) link
The version of WOIIFTM that I first heard was the one with the new bass and drums, so for a long time I thought that was the original version. When I finally heard the real original I was quite shocked at the difference. I still hear the altered one as being the "right" one even though I know that's not right.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
I used to think there were things to like about the 1984 mix, but...naaah. I don't think I've ever heard the original vinyl. I'd like to check it out sometime if there's a digital rip floating around somewhere, and compare it to the 1993 remix/remaster.
― Biff Wellington (WmC), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
one thing I like about the 1984 version is that it restored some pieces from the original recording that had been censored out by the record company
― Moodles, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
I wish there was a version of the original mixed with those excised bits added back in
― Moodles, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
original mix
Isn't that just that "don't come in me in me" is backwards on the original, forwards on the remix? I can't recall other instances.
― Soccer mom, hopeless and lost, in utter despair (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
There's also a verse in Mother People with the line "Shut your fucking mouth about the length of my hair" that's also backwards on the original.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 16:12 (eleven years ago) link
Ah, yeah. Listening to Absolutely Free at the moment. Man, "Duke Of Prunes" marries such a beautiful melody to some of the most bizarre lyrics...
― Soccer mom, hopeless and lost, in utter despair (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
Its been about five years, maybe time again for me to dip my toes into Zappa. My last few attempts have been pretty unsuccessful, I seem to admire him more than I actually like his work.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
So many eras, so many styles, so much sorting the chaff to find the wheat. I used to listen to him a lot more than I do now, but every once in a while I'll just browse youtube and find something cool.
― Soccer mom, hopeless and lost, in utter despair (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe thats a good way to go about it. I used to work with a dude that owned everything he ever did, wish I still did so I could just borrow a random stack.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
FZ the composer rewards deep and repeated listening, FZ the lyricist and misanthrope doesn't (with a couple of rare exceptions). This album, FZ played on Baroque instruments by Ensemble Ambrosius, is really good:
http://open.spotify.com/album/40I3p7zHU7waQwZABZoiPr
― Biff Wellington (WmC), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
i've come around to zappa a bit, but it seems like everytime i'm hearing some truly amazing superhuman music in comes some "funny" fake doo-wop or a dude with a mexican accent saying thing
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
Zappa in a nutshell
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I've got a soft spot for that kind of puerile genre-bending.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 14 June 2012 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
When it comes to FZ, sometimes the smarm can charm, but it will just as often harm.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 14 June 2012 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
Sometimes both in the same song.
― Biff Wellington (WmC), Thursday, 14 June 2012 00:34 (eleven years ago) link
Listening to this for the very first time, and grinning like an idiot. The side of Roxy and Elsewhere containing "Echidna" is one of my favorites, and this nails it beautifully. Thanks, WmC!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpalPoMZegw
― Soccer mom, hopeless and lost, in utter despair (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 14 June 2012 15:01 (eleven years ago) link
Agreed with most of the above - Uncle Meat is such a frustrating album for exactly this reason. You can hear so much brilliance on there, but its also the point where he feels the need to ruin every beautiful thing he ever wrote with goofy vocals or terrible instrumentation or boring snippets of dialogue - I dig dudes that try to challenge their audience, but I feel like FZ just did it for its own sake. "Dog Breath" would be such an amazing composition if they just did it somewhat straight!!
― frogbs, Thursday, 14 June 2012 15:09 (eleven years ago) link
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My pleasure! That Ambrosius album is just gorgeous, but some days I think Music by Frank Zappa by the Omnibus Wind Ensemble is even better. Too bad it's not on Spotify, but here is a short playlist of four of the pieces -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkgEFFBj6mc&feature=BFa&list=PL4F6D5A18F6CE6BAA
Inca Roads/Uncle Meat/No. 7/Black Page #2
― Biff Wellington (WmC), Thursday, 14 June 2012 15:20 (eleven years ago) link
Uncle Meat is a perfect album, imo, incl the lyrics and vocals.
― Biff Wellington (WmC), Thursday, 14 June 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
Yep, I love Uncle Meat to death. Sprawling, yeah, but wonderful. I just watched this for the first time; I don't know anything about the Token Of His Extreme DVD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PewnFHIHzM
― Soccer mom, hopeless and lost, in utter despair (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 14 June 2012 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
Uncle Meat is definitely one of my favorites too, don't really see how it's ruined
― Moodles, Thursday, 14 June 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
I think my favorite FZ, in terms of writing, performance & production is Inca Roads
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 14 June 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
I think my main problem with Zappa is that his jokes aren't funny
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 June 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
What about the snorks?
― timellison, Thursday, 14 June 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
Lots of them were up until about 74.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 14 June 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
dunno what compelled Zappa to rip off the Smurfs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuCq0aZiPT0
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 June 2012 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
"Ruben Sano was 19 when he quit the group to work on his car" = funny
― timellison, Thursday, 14 June 2012 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
Bingo, though I did like some of the bizarre robo-sex scenes in Joe's Garage for their pure bizarreness
― frogbs, Thursday, 14 June 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
my drummer's impression of FZ in the studio for this track: "Come on, Roy - sing that way we all hate":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hjU2GCKx4g
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
Man, that clip cracks me up. Grinning from ear to ear.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap),
OTM. I think the mid-70s turning point was the break with Herb Cohen and the beginning of Endless Grief with Warner Bros., which pushed him the rest of the way into total humanity-hatred. (The first push being his "obscenity" bust at Studio Z.) His lyrics never carried much fond regard from the beginning, but they really seemed to start being etched in acid from about '76-77. I wonder what kind of person he would have turned out as if not for those two events.
― Biff Wellington (WmC), Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
Getting knocked offstage/seriously injured in Montreaux couldn't've helped either
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
Did he ever voice an opinion re:"Smoke On The Water"?
― Electro-Shock Rory (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
Early Zappa: Freak Out!, Absolutely Free, We're Only In It For the Money and Lumpy Gravy are still my favorites. Love that OG Mothers band. First time I ever heard "Absolutely Free" I was 100% in love, tho I never found anything else by FZ that equaled it for me. I think "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" is his peak, and "Duke of Prunes" and the accompanying suite/psych freak-out/Stravinsky quotes is probably the best thing he's ever done. I worshiped this stuff in high school.
Late 60's/Early 70's Zappa: Feels like most of this is culled from live performances, live experiments, etc. You can probably just watch "200 Motels" and get the gist of what he was going for with this. Love that movie, and some of the songs are really wonderful, ironic 70's stoner rock jams. Flo & Eddie are great additions to the band!
70's Zappa: More live stuff, studio experiments. Lots of great stuff, most of it depending on how much you enjoy comedy fusion jazz. First time I ever heard "Sheik Yerbouti" I really hated it, but every time after that I totally loved it. Probably for this reason I haven't really delved into too much else from this era. The Terry Bozzio stuff on that album owns.
80's Zappa: Don't know anything past "You Are What You Is", which has some great 80's-relevant social commentary. Anti-right wing, anti-war, anti-Mud Club, anti-religious right, etc.
Alas, my heart lies with the 60's stuff.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
Does anyone else love Apostrophe?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
I LOVE Apostrophe.
My heart lies with the post- Flo and Eddie/ pre- disillusionment years. Say, 72-77.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
I'm kind of cool to Apostrophe. It's ok, but way down my personal ranking of his albums. (I should actually do that ranking sometime.)
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:05 PM
This was in London, a week after Montreux, but yeah -- destruction of all the band's gear and nearly being killed by a drunk within a few days had to be another horrible low point.
― Biff Wellington (WmC), Thursday, 14 June 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
Jesus, I knew about the gear/casino fire thing, but hadn't heard about the accident. I'd be pretty pissed off at my "fans" after those two incidents too!
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 June 2012 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
only album i love beyond 60s Mothers stuff is Apostrophe, this is almost entirely down to hearing it as a kid tho via neighbours parents
― zappi, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
The other '88 tour albums (Bway the Hard Way and Best Band You've Never Heard) are filled w/ gorgeous stuff, too, but there's still a lot of Zappa schtick to wade through. Make a Jazz Noise has always struck me as his his most straight-faced (aside from all orchestral stuff) – minimal silly stuff, minimal caustic songs, just a really, really tight band doing a lot of Zappa's best live material.
― ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 23:00 (three weeks ago) link
There's a 5LP or 3CD box set of the Mothers live at the Whisky in 1968 coming out in June, but what's interesting about that is this, from the press release:
All vinyl was cut from hi-res digital file by Chris Bellman at Bernie Grundman Mastering in 2023 and is being pressed at Optimal: Media in Germany on BioVinyl, a new environment-friendly formulation and sustainable product made from bio-based PVC (polyvinyl chloride). The petroleum previously required for PVC production is replaced by recycling used cooking oil or industrial waste gases. Through the use of renewable energies and recycled raw materials, CO2 emissions are significantly reduced. More information about BioVinyl available here: https://www.optimal-media.com/en/news/biovinyl/
This is the first I've heard of this process. Anybody know more?
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 19 April 2024 18:41 (four days ago) link
Huh. Interesting indeed!
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 April 2024 19:19 (four days ago) link