Pink Floyd vs. Joy Division

Shoegaze vs Converse

Selzer, I'd like to think so. But let's not bank on it.

Faithless vs Faith no More

sub: Which one has the least faith?

I don't even understand how this is even a poll. That said JD no question. I hate PF - a lot.

Thank you, ENBB!

these were both my favorite bands at different points in my life (points not very far removed from each other, come to think of it). the angst of floyd is more adolescent, the angst of joy division more intellectual, both are pretentious in their own way.

I like everything by Floyd from Meddle through The Final Cut, to varying degrees (I hate the Syd Barrett stuff - in fact, I hate that whole school of whimsical Brit psych-pop). But the only JD song I can get through is "Transmission." So yeah, Floyd for me.

syd barrett floyd >> joy division >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post-barrett floyd

The sound of a kitten being fucked to death by a horse>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Syd Barrett Floyd

it's kind of a mystery to me that anyone can still stomach "classic" floyd; i'd rather throw my car radio out the window than ever be subjected to "money" or "wish you were here" or "brick in the wall" again.

x-post: whatever dude, i'll take sweetly melancholy edward lear-derived nursery rhymes over self-righteous, cloddy, plodding, dreary arena-friendly shit like later floyd any day.

They are both depressing.

That said, Floyd rules. With our without Syd. Without Waters, very bad.

Joy Division.

I'm surprised Pink Floyd gets praised as much as they do on ILM - in theory at least, they should be the *worst* *band* *ever*. Gods of classic rock + annoying fans + slow guitar music that you could never dance to.

Pink Floyd were probably the biggest wtf moment when I was a stereotypical teenager discovering classic rock. Their image: striking album covers, trippy drug music, millions of fans...doesn't match with reality: elevator music. It made me not want to do drugs.

that whole school of whimsical Brit psych-pop

This is like some of my favorite shit ever though I wish I knew more of it- been totally immersed in the Move lately- anyway, I don't know why I'm posting this here...

This does seem like a good place to post about The Move. Echo & The Bunnymen vs. Electric Light Orchestra?

Phil you are not my homey no more until you take back any bad shit you have ever thought about Barrett who is not "whimsical"

I mean I dig what you think it's about but it is not about that OK

I don't know, man - if there's darkness of the spirit there, that's swell, but it's darkness of the spirit in ruffly shirts, and I just can't hang. I will freely admit that some of the melodies to those songs are good ones, because I enjoyed the avant-metallers-cover-Barrett compilation Like Black Holes In The Sky quite a bit, but the originals just do nothing for me.

I like them both. I'll pick Floyd because they made more. I still put on meddle, animals, dark side, and wish...

Pink Floyd The Grateful Dead were probably the biggest wtf moment when I was a stereotypical teenager discovering classic rock. Their image: striking album covers, trippy drug music, millions of fans...doesn't match with reality: elevator music. It made me not want to do drugs.

FTFY

Joy Divison, c'mon. I like Pink Floyd and all, but Joy Division was a singular force. There aren't dozens of joy division cover bands criss-crossing the country playing 2 night sets at drug festivals, because they could never be imitated. There was nothing like Joy Division, before or since.

<blockquote>If the Televison Personalities had done a song "I Know Where Ian Curtis Is Dead"</blockquote>
This is funny to me.

Seems like a fair comparison to me, not in that the bands are similar, but in that they're not. I mean, they're both hugely influential UK bands, and they each still represent an era and a musical/aesthetic point of view. But more to the point, they represent points of view that are often seen as being diametrically opposed to one another. So the poll asks us to take sides in yesterday's culture wars.

On that score, Floyd, easy, no question. I love Joy Division and all, but I've spent more time with Pink Floyd, and they've offered more in return. I jump ship at (or maybe after?) The Wall, but everything up to Dark Side is brilliant.
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Seems like a fair comparison to me, not in that the bands are similar, but in that they're not. I mean, they're both hugely influential UK bands, and they each still represent an era and a musical/aesthetic point of view. But more to the point, they represent points of view that are often seen as being diametrically opposed to one another. So the poll asks us to take sides in yesterday's culture wars. Seems like a fair comparison to me, not in that the bands are similar, but in that they're not. I mean, they're both hugely influential UK bands, and they each still represent an era and a musical/aesthetic point of view. But more to the point, they represent points of view that are often seen as being diametrically opposed to one another. So the poll asks us to take sides in yesterday's culture wars. Seems like a fair comparison to me, not in that the bands are similar, but in that they're not. I mean, they're both hugely influential UK bands, and they each still represent an era and a musical/aesthetic point of view. But more to the point, they represent points of view that are often seen as being diametrically opposed to one another. So the poll asks us to take sides in yesterday's culture wars. Seems like a fair comparison to me, not in that the bands are similar, but in that they're not. I mean, they're both hugely influential UK bands, and they each still represent an era and a musical/aesthetic point of view. But more to the point, they represent points of view that are often seen as being diametrically opposed to one another. So the poll asks us to take sides in yesterday's culture wars. Seems like a fair comparison to me, not in that the bands are similar, but in that they're not. I mean, they're both hugely influential UK bands, and they each still represent an era and a musical/aesthetic point of view. But more to the point, they represent points of view that are often seen as being diametrically opposed to one another. So the poll asks us to take sides in yesterday's culture wars.

Hahaha, I had this feeling someone was gonna say something like that. I was gonna mention how Johnny Rotten wore an "I Hate Pink Floyd" shirt back in the days of the Pistols, but ya know, later on he retracted it and said he liked them, so...the wind went out of my sails on that anecdote.

I always kinda liked Gilmour's response to Lydon's shirt... It was something like "well, at least we were an interesting target. It's not like he would have gotten as much mileage out of a 'I hate Yes' shirt"

Anyway... Floyd in a knockout.

Also: Atmosphere/Dead Souls 7" > New Order >>>>> Joy Division

It's not like I'm a Floyd superfan, but they win this for me 12 times out of 10.

This is like Sex Pistols vs. The Fall or something. The sheer quantity of material consider is so disproportionate.

There aren't dozens of joy division cover bands criss-crossing the country playing 2 night sets at drug festivals, because they could never be imitated

no, but there sure are a bunch of forty-somethings pining for the days when REAL music that MEANT something, like Joy Division, was the order of the day

just like there's a bunch of tired fifty-somethings spouting the same crap about post-Barrett Floyd

I retract my criticism of the thread premise, it's OTM

Joy Divison, c'mon. I like Pink Floyd and all, but Joy Division was a singular force. There aren't dozens of joy division cover bands criss-crossing the country playing 2 night sets at drug festivals, because they could never be imitated. There was nothing like Joy Division, before or since.

No but still we have Interpol, The Editors and a lot of sound alike indie obscure bands from a few years ago. Still... I'll go with Joy Division, can't stand Pink Floyd and/or their fans.

Joy Division folks on this poll are my heroes.

I never understood the constant Interpol/JD comparisons. They both have singers with baritone voices. A Chameleons comparison seems a bit more apt. Are Magnetic Fields Joy Division rip-offs?

Great to see so many Pink Floyd band and fan haters in this thread. I used to think I was utterly alone.

(I voted pf btw)

can't stand Pink Floyd and/or their fans.

― elgolfo, Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:13 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

What constitutes a typical Floyd fan? They have a lot of fans, I've met people of all sorts who like them.

Elvis Telecom OTM

PF fans in general seem a bit blinkered. I really like a lot of Floyd now, but I can still see what's shit about them, such as Waters's voice and Gilmour's horrible bloody wet-sounding guitar.

e.g. DSOTM is an all right album but no way is it even close to best evar.

Agree on Waters's voice, but quite like Gilmour's guitar and his voice, especially when he sings with Wright.

His playing's fine, it's the sound of the thing.

I wonder which band would do the better version of "Louie Louie"?

barrett/curtis duet obv

I hate Waters' voice. I really really really really hate Waters voice. Just saying. I have to get these things out of my system sometimes.

I hate Waters' voice. I really really really really hate Waters voice.

Fixed.

Joy Division folks on this poll are my heroes.

Count me in!

just like there's a bunch of tired fifty-somethings spouting the same crap about post-Barrett Floyd

i won't be 50 for another quarter century but that doesn't keep me from seeing that post-barrett floyd are godawful played-into-the-dirt dirgerock that don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with, like, steely dan or led zeppelin or robert wyatt or any number of bands/artists of their era that were just as ambitious but didn't blow. or, yeah, joy division.

that said, i have a soft spot for "have a cigar," which is so flamboyantly oily and self-righteous and whiny (look how mean and nasty those records exects are!) that it's funny, like a randy newman parody of pink floyd or something.

TBH, I'm not sure I even know who's singing which Pink Floyd songs. Of all the things to dislike, their vocal parts seem pretty inoffensive, even a bit unremarkable.

That's sort of my point. It just sounds like some blokes.

Ha, I can sort of understand that. It's Bimble's "I really really hate Waters' voice" that throws me.

The thread has made me listen to Wish You Were Here, I hope you're happy now etc etc

this is about as good as stadium rock gets...dig the travesty of the lord's prayer sat down right in the middle...

I like the idea of him sitting in camouflage in the corner of a nightclub taking notes, too.

Camo was more echo and the bunnymen tho.

not liking disco music != being a reactionary tool xxp

The only singer worse than Ian Curtis is the mopey dork from Tindersticks .

I like that he was like "this sucks...I'd better write something just like it!"

Floyd was quite a different band post-Syd

"Post-Syd" encompasses the period from, basically, right after "Piper" hit the streets! He was barely useful during the recording of "Saucerful."

nd they BOTH discovered synths AND dance music ("another brick in the wall") AFTER ian/syd.

Uh, synths weren't really available when Syd was a contributing member of the band, so this is hardly an insight.

"run like hell" gots some of the disco beats up in it too. always wanted a full-on dance mix of it tbh.

oh anag I like you and enjoy your posts based on knowledge but in all honesty

not liking disco music = being a reactionary tool feels as close to a fact of nature as nature wanders

PS the subtext here is "don't argue u reactionary racist" [better chattin' about stuff u enjoy than the rest of the ingrasable onionverse]

wait are you saying I'm a reactionary racist

Dave Gilmour, then anybody who doesn't like disco, then anybody who wandered past when I was drunk.

dude I called AbitW & Run Like Hell disco-metal in some other thread and got heaps of scorn dumped on my noggin!

It's not scorn it's fear of rhythm

reactionary tools!

anyway, if I was calling you racist anagram it was very stupid of me and I'm very sorry. hard for me to decipher my own drunk posts, honestly. stand by my general assertion re. reactionariness of being anti-disco tho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6PHI-UiOPM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3RvAIJQh7g

no worries NV, peace

Probably the two bands I've spent the most time with in my life, maybe my two favorite bands, which isn't to say that I don't think Pink Floyd put out a lot of terrible stuff. I've always thought parts of Unknown Pleasures had eerie similarities to some of the darker/heavier tracks on The Wall, which for what it's worth, is exactly the kind of Pink Floyd stuff I don't rate too highly. Not sonically similar so much as some of those heavy foreboding minor chords.

In any case, Run Like Hell is definitely disco, and Pink Floyd have never been known for having taste. One of the most interesting things about them to me is just how insular they kept themselves. They say it in interviews, that they really didn't listen to any other bands and I think that helped them create a singular style and some innovate music, but also some dated/cheesy/silly stuff.

dude if Syd still had his marbles in '79, he totes wouldve been digging disco...

He was bigging up Slade in his last interview proper.