teengirl fantasy, miracles club, mi ami, 100% silk and the rise of HIPSTER HOUSE: S/D

See you at OT301, then!

Saw Maria Minerva play to a very enervated Subbacultcha crowd at the same venue earlier in the year (the usual thing where the gig was free for members and they couldn't give a fuck about who was performing, talking/boozing with friends) to no great effect, and I saw Ital play a very sweaty set in Utrecht last year, albeit to a crowd that was mainly there to see Twin Sister.
Hoping for a more dance-friendly atmosphere tonight.

Ah, cool!

Yeah, that's been my experience with Subbacultcha crowds, there can be a sense of indifference to the actual acts that comes along with that subscription model, I suppose.

So, Ital. Really good live. He was on a bit early maybe, considering the kind of twisted banging music he played, but I was not at all disappointed.

Yeah, Ital bought the trackiness - much better crowd response than at EKKO, and I really like how into it he gets while performing. Nice sushi chef/masseuse keyboard hammering, heh. Missed Maria Minerva's set; L.A. Vampires were a lot songier than I expected, with "Wherever, Boy" a highlight. Loved how Amanda was dancing up front to the other acts!

Philip Sherburne and Miracles Club on the birth of hipster house in Portland.

http://www.spin.com/blogs/portlands-miracles-club-spread-ecstasy

I went to the Holocene on my one visit there. Saw Soft Metals, Joey Casio and somebody else with an amazing collection of Roland gear (any help?).

somehow i never went to holocene in the year and a half i lived there. i think a friend scared me off of it.

in other news, octo octa continues being good, kinda http://vimeo.com/41865217

it's true that house bangers totally clear the floor there, sigh

I went to this 100% Silk tour show last night. Maria Minerva was a revelation, so much more dramatic and punchier than her recorded material, but really endearing as a performer. Ital was great too. Not so much "banging" as "noisy" and for a guy whose live show consists of a projector and him turning knobs on gear, he was fun to watch. Innergaze were dreadful though, between their lacklustre show and the fact it was a school night meant I didn't hang around. The highlight was watching Amanda Brown going wild at the front of an otherwise stationary dancefloor.

Sounds cool. I'm going to the London leg tomorrow, which is at Birthdays in Dalston.

Gonna see Ital, Magic Touch, Maria Minerva and LA Vampires tonite in Amsterdam for the 100% Silk label tour. I sort of have mixed expectations about the live shows, but will report back.

i went to the paris show and it was super good, best set ive seen la vampires do p much ever. had low expectations tbh cuz when i saw the label tour in la/toronto it was p w/e and ppl werent that into it but the place was packed and ppl were dancing and it was a really good time. it was funny how much 'clubbier' the stuff played tho

here are some things i have found underwhelming lately

- minimal wave

- hivern disc

- octa octa

- american acid (vis a vis british acid)

some of it is just lol

http://s.dsimg.com/image/R-3648894-1338820276-2023.jpeg

annie lenox uneasy lol

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rHBC-Z581_A/TZqoPAVmOzI/AAAAAAAAHp8/rteywcGwNSg/s1600/Maria%2BMinerva.jpg

craigslist after dark lolz

here is some stuff along the vein of this music though that i have found compelling

http://perseverancevinylique.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/don-preston-filters-oscillators-and-envelopes-1967-75-300x300.jpg

electronic prog rock in the vein of klaus schulze, yet infected with the whimsy and rowdy conceptual bent of frank zappa and the bass pressure of early uk soundsystem pioneers bill laswell, jah wobble, coldcut and daevid allen, this inspired crucial acid house artists / soccer hooligans / national front members the klf and edgar varese as well as inspiring "newbuild" and "90125", thus laying the groundwork for both the hacienda as well as the entire bass 'nuum

http://cdn.thelineofbestfit.com/wp-content/media/2012/04/personal-space.jpg

raw US house productions in the vein of detroit house masters like madlib, w/ strong traces of the self-indulgence that european house artists like ame,henrik schwarz and moodyman would milk to death

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqG96FZ67Hc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUc6tWWMJig

classic minimalist detroit techno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Uwm_T2d_Kc&feature=relmfu

terry riley influence here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBNoyTJ9JLU

philip glass influenced house?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwPkyW5QQAY&feature=related

contemporary german trance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT64B6vs9Mc

and goa trance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIIcVAd-Yvc

disco with a pronounced sylvester / patrick cowley vibe

whoops i said philip glass but i meant terry riley!

anyway - detroit techno links were broken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqG96FZ67Hc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUc6tWWMJig

new links

inspired drexciya iirc

stop putting Panda Bear on your albums people

i've never really understood that whole opinion— the track on the new TGF is pretty good, and his appearance on "Black Noise" was quite awesome. to me it just seems like generic "OMG some hipster guy invading my precious sub-genre" bullshit.

i don't have a problem with PB in Animal Collective. I just don't think he adds anything as a guest vocalist

OTOH that Talabot track with the dude from Delorean would probably better with PB.

"OMG some hipster guy invading my precious sub-genre" bullshit

i don't want any hipsters in my hipster house, thanks

is anyone else into this innergaze album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihyHkFWFqMg&feature=related

not really house at all but who cares, this is great

ha I thought "innergaze" was some new genre.

is anyone else into this innergaze album?

yeah its crazy good posted about it elsewhere on ilm tho

where? was it in your forest thread or w/e, i haven't had time to do much other than check bookmarks lately

yeah, probably, i just remember posting about it

i'm listening to minimal wave on a sunny day and ... fuck, it's actually kind of cool?

songs like this have not only a cool detroit techno flashback vibe but also a "computer incantations for world peace", hardly as dark-sounding in the right context as people make it out to be, more mystical than anything else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fAIYkwLjJc

sampled by madlib i believe for this gem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnNc7-OzyWI

ha I just listened to Minimal Wave Tapes last night. this track I had never noticed before really stuck out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AE7KOI0eLw

vocals are deadpan but has a pop element to it too, in the call and response. and the breathier female parts remind me of something really specific that I can't put my finger on. cool song.

she did a great job with those comps, they're really good

i know what you mean! the part at 1:00 sounds EXACTLY like something else

some italo thing like sharevari

madlib also used

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxhkQbfA0fI

guess he built that track around minimal wave tapes 1

Loving that Oppenheimer Analysis album, thanks for the heads up here

there's not like the finest line between that and this

http://images.bluebeat.com/an/2/0/3/0/4/l40302.jpg

Getting a bit of a Saint Etienne Foxbase Alpha vibe from the new LA Vampires/Maria Minerva record. Nice album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdhdGJ9A0xg

Also, has the new Ital Dream On been mentioned? Another interesting release from him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEkHtIrq4RU

that maria/la vampires record is so good.

there is a nice little scene germinating in my city (vancouver). was at a delightful party last night. here's the promo mix they did for it. all local artists!

http://soundcloud.com/mood-hut/mood-hut-mix-005

So, what's the best of this stuff in 2012? I've not really kept up. I liked the first Ital LP but now I see there's another one. The Maria Minerva / LA Vampires sound interesting, I'll check that out - what with all my SE love.

i'm digging the new holly herndon full length on RVNG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frmJKaPT5U8

the album drifts between minimalist noise composition and more uptempo moments like the track above

not sure if there's a rational reason to put it in this thread, but i'm not really sure where else i'd put it so

Really feeling that Holly Herndon album, it's like the Laurel Halo one if it was as easy to listen to as it is to admire.

i found that laurel halo album unbelievably disappointing so maybe ms herndon is the lass for me

laurel halo album is so bad lol

I really don't understand Ital; either of the releases this year. I kind of want to though... It does really nothing for me :-/

not feeling the minimal vocal pieces i've hear4d from that herndon record, it sounds like someone playing around with ableton pitch-shift in a really unadorned and unappealing way.

Ital is great. i really like the analog texture, and the sense of hardware machines interacting and not being quantized together (whether or not he actually uses hardware & tape, i don't know).

I heard it's all done in Audacity (a bit like Burial), which is formidable if true, but I'm just not sure I can get my head around the aesthetic. The idea of it being house you can't dance to, or home-listening electronica that sounds like dance music, well it frustrates me. I guess there's loads of music that could come under this banner, but the Ital albums seem like they've been purposefully created to be jarring in a lot of ways and it just comes off unpleasant. I can neither dance around to it nor space out and enjoy the sounds. That said I have a feeling it's perhaps a matter of things "clicking" into place for me.

i really like this octo octa from earlier this year: http://soundcloud.com/mixmag-1/octo-octa-oh-love

dog that surprises me cause aren't you like mr idm?!?

ital is great, im not really into the new one atm but wtvr

I saw Holly Herndon perform last night. I don't know if I'd group it with this discussion/hipster house, if we were to define hipster house as having distinct CHICAGO references/genesis. More of a someone coming out of experimental type stuff into a minimal thing. I suppose you could group her with this if you want, but at this point every new band has some sort of 4/4 dance thing going on, so that definition would get pretty loose.

Her set was cut short however because Large Professor and RZA wanted to go on. Also performing was Driphouse, Forma and Mas Ysa. It was some sort of clusterfuck in the financial district thrown so the Motherboard blog/site of/from Vice could celebrate itself. Large Prof wasn't billed so that was a weird surprise.

Sounds like a strange event! Great artists though.

yea i didn't really feel like starting a 'holly herndon' thread so i brought it up here. i guess mostly because she embodies that experimental music / house music dichotomy. but loads of music does that so w/e

we should make a thread where we can talk about newer east coast stuff on labels like rvng or l.i.e.s. or even (to tempt fate) pittsburgh track authority

i made a future times thread but it never really caught on

i wonder would jamal moss fit in that thread too?

I almost brought this up before but figured it'd open a can of worms and maybe I'd get shit for it, but maybe I can coin another genre (if you recall I'm partially responsible for "beardo") and suggest simply post-house. To me, it makes a lot of sense. As something of a post-punk expert, I'm often explaining the obvious and less obvious sources of that term, generally you're talking about people coming out of punk and pushing it's envelope with these other influences (disco, funk, dub, krautrock, prog mostly), but the term later came to also describe acts that existed along with punk, and even before it. So wrap your brain around a concept like calling Pere Ubu or Television "post-punk" when, in an earlier and more obvious history, they are bands that helped invent punk, but in hindsight and in consideration of the "sound" of punk and the associations of post-punk, that makes sense.

So....post-house describes people coming out of conventional dance contexts and bringing in other influences (noise, krautrock/cosmische) etc, or acts coming from other genres into dance music and bringing their baggage. Now this brings up another discussion, which goes back to the beginnings of this thread, about authenticity (in sound). Someone coming out of post-punk/indie-rock or whatever making dance music that easily slotted into the mainstream of underground dance music, even while bending the form a little bit, wouldn't necessarily fit, but if they don't slot in easily, either because they're not competent enough to perfectly emulate chicago/detroit/etc(which is not a bad thing!) or because they bring something else to the table altogether different, then they do.

So a lot of the nu-disco stuff of the 2000s for instance, I wouldn't call "post-house" because they were producers reworking/reintroducing past dance forms...stretching the envelope a bit at times, reviving sounds, mixing up styles etc, but not breaking the mold.

Of course a lot of the stuff we've discussed in this thread fit that idea. I haven't heard enough of it all and don't like naming names anyway, and we discussed this when the thread started, but there's people emulating in a purely revival sound, and there's stuff that is something else alltogether...often they're the same labels, the same people, even the same 12", so who wants to bother breaking all that down.

Am I making any sense or is that just stupid? It makes sense to me. Of course we can all say "why bother trying to label anything, man" but you know what, it's fun and some of us get off on these kinds of discussions and if you don't, you can ignore or disagree but don't bother saying "don't label us bro" because you're gonna get labeled and maybe it's best to own it. In any case, a term like Post-House, as in post-punk, is not a value judgement but an understanding of shifts and trends.

I'm sorry, I don't really care this much, just rambling on putting off doing some other stuff, like making some post-house.