come on cavs..... gotta make it happen.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
Not meaning to be cruel here, but Davis going to the Sacramento Kings would be as exciting as Kareem going to the Milwaukee Bucks.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
i'm rooting for the kings. you guys would rather watch him on the bobcats?
― twittering spinster (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 16:46 (eleven years ago) link
I'd rather him on the Cavs
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
If the Bobcats get Jerry Sloan then I'm for it.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
top 4 is very solid imo, drummond could go either way. barnes will turn into a decent pro. 7-10 on that list is def shaky. zeller, jones and henson will be good.
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 04:33 (13 hours ago) Permalink
You mean Chad's top 4? I don't see it. Thomas Robinson is tweener city and Beal is "the next ray allen" but he shot 33% from 3.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
Drummond is the most terrifyingly risky top 5 prospect I can remember.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 18:09 (eleven years ago) link
thabeet :(
― twittering spinster (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
what about the wizards w 1st pick? davis-wall could be brutal
― moullet, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:07 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
well i think this is generally the consensus top 4 -- robinson is def a bit small for PF but he got his numbers in college and has pretty advanced post moves. he isn't a tweener in the derrick williams sense, tho, yeah he's not gonna be a star. i think he could be a productive offensive PF who is somewhat deficient in other areas of the game a la al jefferson
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
i've heard beal as "next eric gordon" not "next ray allen"... and his body and game are def similar to gordon's. he was pretty impressive in the tournament and he's still not even 20
If a SG's upside is Eric Gordon I'm not taking him in the top 4.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
re: allen
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22ray+allen%22+%22bradley+beal%22&oq=%22ray+allen%22+%22bradley+beal%22&aq=f&aqi=g-bsK1&aql=&gs_l=hp.3..0i8i10i30.962.8414.0.8619.36.28.5.0.0.0.286.2439.22j4j2.28.0...0.0.0t2MNhi5s14&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=df268a9968e5cef1&biw=1366&bih=643
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:42 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Bill Self's tweeners always get their numbers.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:22 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
weird... seems like a bizarre comparison
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
i think beal's upside is that he'd be better than eric gordon... probably a better shooter. similar players tho.
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:25 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah. i mean he's definitely smallish... i think there's a difference between being a smallish player and a tweener. robinson is just a small power forward, but his game is pretty advanced. i think guys like that can succeed even if a few random guys below him will explode into better players. but a low floor can be attractive, too. he's definitely better than aldrich or the morris twins imo.
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
gilberts son :( 4th pick
― moullet, Thursday, 31 May 2012 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
cho is sad
― moullet, Thursday, 31 May 2012 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
1st NOH2nd CHA3rd WAS
wau
― twittering spinster (k3vin k.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
wizards are a playoff team next year
errrr misread that
― twittering spinster (k3vin k.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 00:24 (eleven years ago) link
man this sucks, who the hell wants to watch davis play on the hornets
― twittering spinster (k3vin k.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
lol c-o-n-spiracy
― doc has never told me nothing that wasn't true (agent hibachi), Thursday, 31 May 2012 00:28 (eleven years ago) link
I'm waiting for the picture of the Hornet logo with Davis' eyebrows instead of the antennae. I'm disappointed I haven't seen it yet.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 31 May 2012 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
so cavs ended up w drummond?
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1144336/hahaha_medium.gif
― moullet, Thursday, 31 May 2012 00:34 (eleven years ago) link
is there a good reason why the NBA doesn't televise the actual drawing of the lottery?
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
nba likes to cultivate mystery
― Clay, Thursday, 31 May 2012 01:31 (eleven years ago) link
feel for the bobcats but they'll love MKG
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 02:03 (eleven years ago) link
hahaha @ sternspiracy
― chris paul george hill (dayo), Thursday, 31 May 2012 02:14 (eleven years ago) link
these results blow btw
― Clay, Thursday, 31 May 2012 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
Cavs are actually a great, low pressure situation for Drummond I think.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 31 May 2012 04:18 (eleven years ago) link
as far as drummond goes
1 nola - obv this is not happening
2 cha - this could be interesting, not sure if the bobcats could develop him or that the culture would be right for him but him & biyombo would def be interesting.
3 was - this would be awful. learn under the tutelage of andray blatche!
4 cle - agree w/ matt that this would be great. would take some pressure of tristan thompson too
5 sac - this would be horrifying, obv
6 por - i think this would be fantastic, outside of the curse of portland taking centers high. but he would have no pressure to be an offensive force down low. this could be great for all.
7 golden state - doubt he even lasts this long and i guess it could work but idk, toxic franchise. plus they have bogut.
i would really like to see portland take him
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
another team that would be great for drummond tho i don't see it happening would be the sixers. they need an athletic big man in the worst way... maybe they could deal igou and their pick for a team looking to get out of the top 6 or 7 or so? i'm not sure if that would work.
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
drummond & biyombo could be like a younger, much less polished version of the perkins/ibaka frontcourt
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
the ford/simmons podcast is pretty frustrating but once they get into talking about drummond like 1/3 of the way thru it gets pretty interesting
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
fascinating talk about how dwight, amare, chandler, okafor, kwame, oden etc were perceived when coming out of the draft
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
Behind the scenes at the lottery:
http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/05/30/nba-draft-lottery/
― polyphonic, Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
they would block a billion shots. I don't really think the Bobcats have a "bad culture" or anything. They had a bunch of awful picks and then they decided (smartly) to tank last season. nbd
They're pretty much set at the 4/5 with Seraphin, Nene and Vesely. Doesn't make sense.
They would have to take him here though. As crazy as that roster would be, Drummond makes sense from a basic Xs and Os perspective.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
It kinda flew under the radar, but the Wizards frontcourt looked pretty rad after the McGee trade. Vesely started coming along and Seraphin looked like a legit starting C.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
the one thing from listening to the chad ford podcast is that i probably overrated "culture" -- some guys just don't give it their all in high school or college or in workouts and then when they get to the nba they just start to turn it around on their own volition
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
that said i'm not sure i'd like to see drummond go to some teams like was and sac that have run loose ships before -- was at least seems to be trying to clean that up but...
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
one thing in that podcast that i really agreed w/ simmons about was austin rivers. i think he's gonna get way under drafted. the one and done rule has its benefits to GMs i think (obv we now know that harrison barnes isn't the next kobe) but i think it can also throw them off the scent of a really good player
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
Only worries with Rivers is he's a volume shooter. Like a less talented Monta Ellis. If he ends up on the right team he could be a great second unit scorer. You just can't let him take 20 shots a game and make 8 of them.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
rivers is definitely a high volume scorer but he's bigger physically than monta and is a smarter basketball player. and he'll play/try on defense. simmons made the comparison to jason terry, which i think was pretty solid, altho rivers' body means that he could be a bit more than that, at least as an all around player.
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
Golden State: "I think we kept our integrity," said general manager Bob Myers. Not exactly, but you did keep your draft pick.
hollinger :-)
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
Terry's jumper is much purer than Rivers'. Rivers reminds me of Jimmer Fredette.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
ehhhh Jimmer isn't a terrible comp but he can't get to the rim at all. Rivers will need to learn to finish better but his skill in that regard is much higher than high volume combo guards like Jimmer or Kemba. I think his size gives him an advantage over those guys too even if it means he can't play the point.
― fapper don (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
I think kemba was a much better finisher in college than Rivers. Just from what I saw.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
his ceiling is prob 'starter'
― lag∞n, Friday, 29 June 2012 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
lot of people think he couldve been top five in last years draft, tho i suspect he wouldve fallen once the combine results came in
― lag∞n, Friday, 29 June 2012 14:23 (eleven years ago) link
track record is not good apparently for ppl who are *that* unathletic. i guess he'll probably be able to score but not sure abt defense.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 29 June 2012 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
yeah hes most likely a bench player, but i mean at 22, i wouldve take pj3 tho
― lag∞n, Friday, 29 June 2012 14:32 (eleven years ago) link
and maybe he will get somewhat more athletic once he gets in better shape and his back issues are worked out, this has been known to happen
― lag∞n, Friday, 29 June 2012 14:33 (eleven years ago) link
ok got it. now explain ~fab melo~
― am0n, Friday, 29 June 2012 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
friendly 7ft brazilian whos barely played basketball in his life
― lag∞n, Friday, 29 June 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
KG has a clause in his new contract that for 7 minutes a game he gets to pretend he's not playing center.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 29 June 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ windhorst covering the cavs again
http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2012/story/_/id/8111377/2012-nba-draft-cleveland-cavaliers-scenes
― moullet, Friday, 29 June 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
i wonder if that's like when you see high school friends
― J0rdan S., Friday, 29 June 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
reading this article i learned that the cavs love advanced stats
― moullet, Friday, 29 June 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
ay m bison:
Analysis: I really like this pick for the Spurs. Denmon is the sort of efficient combo guard who could thrive in the Spurs' system. He shoots it well, defends and can even play the point in a pinch. I'm not expecting huge things from him, but could see him as a rotation player in San Antonio down the road.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 29 June 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
that's chad ford
@cavsdanI am very excited about our two picks. @dionwaiters3 and @zellertyler are going to be two great additions to the @cavs and our bright future
― am0n, Friday, 29 June 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
imho zeller will be solid for a long time, like ya hes not a star but 7ftrs who can actually like play basketball and move around good dont grow on trees
― lag∞n, Friday, 29 June 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
xp, cool sounds like a good replacement for gary neal if he's gone this offseason
― he bit me (it felt like a diss) (m bison), Friday, 29 June 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that was my exact thought
― J0rdan S., Friday, 29 June 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
@cavsdanthanks @lag∞n for the kind words on @ilh
― am0n, Friday, 29 June 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
ha
― lag∞n, Friday, 29 June 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― J0rdan S., Friday, 29 June 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
andre drummond seems like a nice guy
http://www.gq.com/images/style/2012/06/nba-draft-style/andre-drummond.jpg
― J0rdan S., Friday, 29 June 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
very nice suit
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 29 June 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
he is a good dude, very good-natured
― k3vin k., Friday, 29 June 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
Eh, they're all scumbags afaic.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Friday, 29 June 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
was fab melo the only 7 footer left at 22 or what because ummm
― questionable motor (agent hibachi), Friday, 29 June 2012 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
im all in on sullinger though, if jared dudley could actually get in shape he can do it and i imagine every day will start with a phone call from kg
AY SULLY WHAT'S GOOD HOWS YA BACK, YOU LIFTING SOME WEIGHTS? COME RUN ON THE BEACH WITH ME POTNA
― questionable motor (agent hibachi), Friday, 29 June 2012 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
the sullinger pick has upside for sure
― lag∞n, Friday, 29 June 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
how is this kid not gonna get destroyed in the nba, i mean come on
http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/340G1a.FVvCvC9h_SCNjTg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnbaexperts/Austin-Rivers-checks-in.-Getty-Images.jpg
― am0n, Sunday, 1 July 2012 04:58 (eleven years ago) link
he can buy a mac now tho
― lag∞n, Sunday, 1 July 2012 12:19 (eleven years ago) link
he's watching instructional videos on this thing called "passing"
― questionable motor (agent hibachi), Sunday, 1 July 2012 12:43 (eleven years ago) link
eric gordon still looks younger/softer than him though!
― questionable motor (agent hibachi), Sunday, 1 July 2012 12:44 (eleven years ago) link
lol xp
― lag∞n, Sunday, 1 July 2012 12:47 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIQjhrmmX7c
― am0n, Sunday, 1 July 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
Was drifting around in old threads and found this gem from June 2012, quoted upthread. Jordan posted a long draft pick analysis by some guy called Draft Rater:
"In the tail end of the first round and throughout the second, we're sorting through several big men with fairly weak Draft Rater résumés. The Rater is a particularly harsh judge at the center position, where it frowns on the prospects of four centers with first-round aspirations -- Tyler Zeller, Meyers Leonard, Fab Melo and Festus Ezeli -- and flat-out mocks Miles Plumlee, who is off-the-charts bad with a 2.49 Draft Rater projection."
italics added
― Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Wednesday, 8 April 2015 18:09 (nine years ago) link