― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 9 November 2006 01:54 (seventeen years ago) link
But you also know that the official Church does not speak with one voice on this issue, to say nothing of parishoners. I have known more closeted gay and lesbian Episcopal priests than out ones. (I am including "out to everyone outside a 50mile radius of my Parish" types as closeted, because jeez, c'mon.)
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 9 November 2006 09:25 (seventeen years ago) link
Then, as if things could not get worse, there was the disgrace of Sheldon’s own friend and colleague, Rev. Ted Haggard, the Colorado mega-church leader and president of the National Association of Evangelicals, an even bigger pillar of Republican support on the Christian right. Sheldon disclosed that he and “a lot” of others knew about Haggard’s homosexuality “for awhile ... but we weren’t sure just how to deal with it.”
Months before a male prostitute publicly revealed Haggard’s secret relationship with him, and the reverend’s drug use as well, “Ted and I had a discussion,” explained Sheldon, who said Haggard gave him a telltale signal then: “He said homosexuality is genetic. I said, no it isn’t. But I just knew he was covering up. They need to say that.”
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Abbott (Abbott), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link
I still say if you think sexual orientation is a choice it's because you struggle with your attraction to people of the same sex.
― hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link
-- hstencil (hstenc!...), November 9th, 2006.
but it's not symbolic man, its for rizzeal! transubstiation!
― latebloomer and his 'Cyborg Companion', Hacker (latebloomer), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― latebloomer and his 'Cyborg Companion', Hacker (latebloomer), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 06:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.uschesslive.org/crowns/profiles/images/h318266.JPG
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link
Yes, you are totally right.
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link
Other "treatments" included:brain surgery in the form of frontal lobotomies.castration.counseling and psychotherapy.drug therapy: e.g. animal-organ extracts, cocaine, estrogen, testosterone.positive therapy: e.g. men were asked to masturbate and then were shown pictures of women just before orgasm.prayer and spiritual counseling.therapy by tedium: men were shown homoerotic pictures until they became totally bored.During the Nazi regime in Germany, Himmler attempted to "cure" gays by requiring them to visit the camp brothel at Flossenburg. "Ten Ravensbruck women provided the services with little success. The women [were later]...shipped to Auschwitz" for execution.bullet During the recent apartheid regime in South Africa, gays and lesbians were considered deviants. They were sent to a special ward of a military hospital to be "rehabilitated." This involved electric shock treatments and chemical castration. Those who could not be "cured" were given sex-change operations. A number of "patients" died.
The success rate of these therapies in actually changing clients' sexual orientation appears to have been between 0% and something less than 0.1%. The success rate at changing clients' sexual behavior is much greater. Some of these techniques can persuade homosexuals to be celibate, either through terror, guilt, or persuasion that God considers same-sex behavior to be an abomination. They can persuade bisexuals to confine their sexual activities to members of the opposite sex. They may even be able to train gays to successfully have sex with a woman, while fantasize about making love to another man. But therapies do not seem to be capable of changing one's feelings -- one's sexual orientation -- in the vast majority of people.
― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link
http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/N1942.Christianpost/B2123671;sz=728x90
― kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link
such fun
― kingfish, Sunday, 27 May 2007 03:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Fisting in a Christian relationship:
http://www.sexinchrist.com/fist.html
Surely a hoax site?
― moley, Sunday, 27 May 2007 05:05 (sixteen years ago) link
(1) To avoid the impropriety of male homosexuality, a heterosexual couple should not under any circumstances form a threesome with another man. (2) Both women involved in the threesome must be willing to keep within traditional female roles (i.e., not taking on masculine appearance or behavior in or out of the bedroom) and recognize the male as the leader in the relationship. (3) If the wife’s lesbian sex partner is unmarried, it may be permissible for the husband to have relations with her only with his wife’s consent. (4) If the wife’s lesbian sex partner is unmarried, but the wife does not wish her to have relations with the other woman, the husband should respect this. (5) If the wife’s lesbian sex partner is married, her husband must not have objections to the relationship. (6) If the wife’s lesbian sex partner is married, the husband should refrain from having any sexual relations with her, and should make every effort to control his fantasies about her. He should concentrate his attention on his own wife.
― TOMBOT, Sunday, 27 May 2007 05:10 (sixteen years ago) link
not exactly a hoax, but...
― kingfish, Sunday, 27 May 2007 07:05 (sixteen years ago) link
"Need money 4 degree"
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 26 August 2007 04:18 (sixteen years ago) link
i regret that all the jokes that would once have been funny are now hackneyed
― elan, Sunday, 26 August 2007 04:23 (sixteen years ago) link
This is from that website
SEO Text Browser Anal Sex in Accordance with God's WillAre you saving yourself for your wedding night? The Devil wants you to fail, that’s why he puts stumbling blocks in your way. But God wants you to succeed, and that’s why he has given us an alternative to intercourse before marriage: anal sex. Through anal sex, you can satisfy your body’s needs, while you avoid the risk of unwanted pregnancy and still keep yourself pure for marriage.
Anal Sex in Accordance with God's Will
Are you saving yourself for your wedding night? The Devil wants you to fail, that’s why he puts stumbling blocks in your way. But God wants you to succeed, and that’s why he has given us an alternative to intercourse before marriage: anal sex. Through anal sex, you can satisfy your body’s needs, while you avoid the risk of unwanted pregnancy and still keep yourself pure for marriage.
malicious parody definitely
― Heave Ho, Sunday, 26 August 2007 04:24 (sixteen years ago) link
technicalvirgin.com
― kingfish, Sunday, 26 August 2007 04:31 (sixteen years ago) link
The Rev. Ted Haggard, who left the megachurch he founded after admitting to "sexual immorality," has asked supporters for financial assistance while he and his wife pursue their studies.
Studies? We might need to ask if this is of the "Pete Townshend School Of 'Study'" before we sign checks.
― Cunga, Sunday, 26 August 2007 08:15 (sixteen years ago) link
New Life Church, founder Haggard end relationship
― gr8080, Thursday, 7 February 2008 04:23 (sixteen years ago) link
*nelson laugh*
― latebloomer, Thursday, 7 February 2008 04:27 (sixteen years ago) link
wtf @ the ad placement
http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/42526/2000089929670841859_rs.jpg
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 7 February 2008 04:27 (sixteen years ago) link
^^that's a truth ad btw
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 7 February 2008 04:28 (sixteen years ago) link
a little more info here:
http://www.towleroad.com/2008/02/ted-haggard-qui.html
― gr8080, Thursday, 7 February 2008 04:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Just one year ago today, a four-member oversight board announced that after three weeks of intense counseling that Haggard was "completely heterosexual".
New Life recognizes the process of restoring Ted Haggard is incomplete
"restoring ted haggard" is a reality show just begging to happen.
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 7 February 2008 04:37 (sixteen years ago) link
omg so OTM
― gr8080, Thursday, 7 February 2008 04:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Who makes up the rest of the wacky cast?
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 February 2008 04:41 (sixteen years ago) link
(Rogermexico's thread title, meanwhile, is one of my all time favorites on this board.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 February 2008 04:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Retry? Cancel? Abort?
― Aimless, Thursday, 7 February 2008 04:46 (sixteen years ago) link
There's this.
And there's that.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 January 2009 03:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Back for the attack!
As guests parked in his snow-crusted field and carried chocolate chip cookies and jugs of apple juice into the barn, he greeted them enthusiastically. "Look, everybody," Haggard announced when one person arrived with a special treat: "Chocolate cake!"As the service began, he was jovial, even joking about his indiscretion. "If you're not getting enough snuggling [from your spouse], don't do it the way I did it," he said.
As the service began, he was jovial, even joking about his indiscretion. "If you're not getting enough snuggling [from your spouse], don't do it the way I did it," he said.
Also:
The rejection by friends and church members made his situation more painful, Haggard said. He did not name New Life, but spoke critically of people focused too intently on religion and rules instead of God. "When you get yourself in trouble, are they going to draw near to you? No, they're going to disappear. They're going to judge you," he said.H.B. London, the vice president of church and clergy at Focus on the Family and a former member of Haggard's restoration team, criticized Haggard's decision to start a new church located so close to New Life as insensitive and premature.London said he'd heard from many pastors who don't think Haggard is ready to lead a congregation again, asserting that Haggard didn't complete the restoration process and was still in need of counseling.But London said it doesn't surprise him that Haggard can attract followers. "He was a hero to many people, and people are pretty forgiving. Forgiveness is good, but just because you forgive someone does not give them the right to just begin again, necessarily," he said.
H.B. London, the vice president of church and clergy at Focus on the Family and a former member of Haggard's restoration team, criticized Haggard's decision to start a new church located so close to New Life as insensitive and premature.
London said he'd heard from many pastors who don't think Haggard is ready to lead a congregation again, asserting that Haggard didn't complete the restoration process and was still in need of counseling.
But London said it doesn't surprise him that Haggard can attract followers. "He was a hero to many people, and people are pretty forgiving. Forgiveness is good, but just because you forgive someone does not give them the right to just begin again, necessarily," he said.
Stuff like that fascinates me because of the whole idea of the sliding scale of forgiveness.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 December 2009 05:03 (fourteen years ago) link
"If you're not getting enough meth and anal sex [from your spouse], don't do it the way I did it," he said.
― mascara and ties (Abbott), Monday, 7 December 2009 05:06 (fourteen years ago) link
"Now, about that cake."
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 December 2009 05:07 (fourteen years ago) link
aaaaand... bump
http://gawker.com/5531027/the-virulent-anti+gay-activist-who-brought-a-rentboy-to-europe-updated
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 23:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Rekers has been speaking out against all things gay for many years now, so vehemently that one is led to assume that he's overcompensating for something. And indeed that looks to be the case. Rekers traveled to Europe on a vacation recently and hired an escort through Rentboy.com to "carry his luggage." He claims he recently had surgery and thus couldn't do the lifting himself. Why he found a porter through a gay prostitution website — the only place where Lucien, as the rentboy is called by the Miami New Times (who broke the story), offers his services — remains unexplained.
Sure, it's just the same old story: destestable Christian bigot exposed as howling hypocrite. But it never seems to grow stale, does it?
― Aimless, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link
But where else would you rent a boy to carry your luggage?
― StanM, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Man I know this is extremely touchy-feely territory & I can also get into the schadenfreude of hateful hypocrites getting their comeuppance for sure, but amidst that feeling when this sort of thing happens I usually also feel a terrible sadness. Because when a guy makes his lifework this sort of "ensure that being gay is seen as wrong/erase gains made toward dignity and acceptance/un-liberate everybody" thing, and it turns out, not even surprisingly at all to anybody any more, that the guy in question is gay or bi -- I mean to me it seems like the process in these guys' heads has gotta be a walking daily Hell of self-denial and self-hatred -- it has to be like constantly policing yourself to never, ever for a second contemplate who you might really be, what your real feelings are, what kind of life you'd actually like to lead; never share with anybody how and who you are; construct an entire life toward trying to strike the pose of being the sort of person you think of as good, as opposed to the sort of person you make a point of painting publicly as sick or narcissistic or sinful, which is actually just you talking about how you feel about yourself...I mean, fuck these guys for all the harm they do, but that they spend most of their lives in this prison of shame is tragic to me. getting all the way to old age without ever allowing yourself the chance to be who you are without hiding it? having a whole family to whom you can only show part of yourself? that is so sad, what a sad world.
― brad whitford's impotent rage (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Who knows what is really going on in their heads, I think one of the appeals of this kind of story is the sheer unfathomability of what they must be thinking. But to put a different spin on it, perhaps they're having the time of their lives railing against teh homos while gaily bumming around all up the whazoo in private. Kind of like yer socialist dictator preaching collectivism while lording it up in a palace.
― the big pink suede panda bear hurts (ledge), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link