God the ending of this movie is so fucking good
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Sunday, 20 May 2012 14:28 (eleven years ago) link
OTM
― piscesx, Sunday, 20 May 2012 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
u mad
― DG, Sunday, 20 May 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
great movie
― congratulations (n/a), Sunday, 20 May 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
mark strong kills me in that clip every time.
― Hungry4Ass, Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
DG i believe it is "u" who is the one who is "mad" in this instance
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 21 May 2012 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
and ya the way m-strong kind of adjusts himself after noticing colin firth looking at him is about as good as it gets
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 21 May 2012 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
i dance like esterhase in that clip
― caek, Monday, 21 May 2012 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
move like esterhase
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 21 May 2012 14:14 (eleven years ago) link
nah s1ocki this film was crap
― DG, Monday, 21 May 2012 15:16 (eleven years ago) link
hmm, guess i overlooked that inconvenient lil fact
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 21 May 2012 15:18 (eleven years ago) link
yes
― DG, Monday, 21 May 2012 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
if i've read the karla trilogy and spy who came in from the cold can i basically read whatever le carre i want next?
― caek, Monday, 21 May 2012 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
Just finished reading Smiley's People a couple days ago and I really hope that movie actually happens. Funny to read through all the long slow conversations and imagine how they would have to be cut down to 45 seconds of screen time.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Monday, 21 May 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
the miniseries isn't as good as TTSS but still vg
― pet tommy & the barkhaters (darraghmac), Monday, 21 May 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
did it use everyday people as its theme song
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
no
― max, Monday, 21 May 2012 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCQ0vDAbF7s
what if it did tho
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
max tell me what to read next
― caek, Monday, 21 May 2012 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
you could read a perfect spy, i guess. but youve finished all the best ones i think.
― max, Monday, 21 May 2012 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
i read tinker tailor so that i would have read it before i saw this movie and now i feel like i need to read everything. that book rules.
― horseshoe, Monday, 21 May 2012 17:53 (eleven years ago) link
yeah reading around i get the impression there's not a lot to choose between the rest of his stuff, and that's not because it's all 5*
― caek, Monday, 21 May 2012 17:53 (eleven years ago) link
has anyone complained that gary oldman is too skinny to be george smiley? oldman was good, but i felt a little let down.
― horseshoe, Monday, 21 May 2012 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
I couldn't finish the novel but I'll try again soon. My library copy, which smelled awful, looked like it'd been in a dog's mouth.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 May 2012 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
everything else ive read is "eminently readable" and sometimes p good but none of it is as engaging or smart as TTSS or TSWCIFTC. perfect spy has its moments but is really long and most of it is not really about spying just about a thinly veiled version of JLC's dad
― max, Monday, 21 May 2012 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
le carre does mention smiley's belly and chins a lot
― caek, Monday, 21 May 2012 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
ok i guess i will buy the next one i see in a shop that is not one of those early detective stories
― caek, Monday, 21 May 2012 17:57 (eleven years ago) link
I own The Tailor of Panama. Should I read it?
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 May 2012 17:59 (eleven years ago) link
tailor of panama is decent
― max, Monday, 21 May 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like i've confused constant gardener and blood diamonds
― caek, Monday, 21 May 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
I tried Tailor of Panama a couple of months ago and didn't get far. My attention kept wandering; might have been my problem and not the book.
― Trey Imaginary Songz (WmC), Monday, 21 May 2012 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
Slightly off-topic, but if you exhaust the Le Carre spy goodness, Peter Wright's "Spycatcher" is a good real-life fix
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 21 May 2012 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
i have so much trouble with le carre's writing and i'm not sure what it is, i've started TTSS and perfect spy at different times and i just can't get through them. i have to read some of his sentences three/four times before i can figure out what he's saying. everyone loves him so it's got to be a personal block.
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 21 May 2012 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
for a guy who has a rep as a "beach read" kind of writer, le carre is sort of boring. i think in a good way!
― max, Monday, 21 May 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I read John Banville's The Untouchable in one gulp and loved it and the guy's a mandarin compared to Le Carre.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 May 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
i will read all the george smiley books.
― horseshoe, Monday, 21 May 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
My library copy, which smelled awful, looked like it'd been in a dog's mouth.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)
this is deliberate imo
― pet tommy & the barkhaters (darraghmac), Monday, 21 May 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
in the spy world it's called "dogdipping"
― bark ruffalo (latebloomer), Monday, 21 May 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
early le carré/smiley novels are worth reading. call for the dead is one, can't remember others off the top of my head. curious intersection of a type of v late golden era crime and detection thriller and cold war spy thriller, convey a great sense of drabness of post-war England. saloon/public bar shibboleths and divisions, dilapidation, spivvery & paranoia. it shd be said that the books themselves are drab.
― Fizzles, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 06:15 (eleven years ago) link
earlier this summer i picked up a copy of "a perfect spy" at a yard sale with the intention of re-reading it, but then i realized the dust jacket was wrong and it was "little drummer girl" instead. which i read. it was pretty decent. kurtz is a well-realized & compelling character, but nowhere near as fascinating as smiley imho.
― judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
i liked LDG when i first read it but re-reading it in my binge last year i wasnt quite as into it. still probably better than his last 3-4 books
― max, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:32 (eleven years ago) link
barmy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii7b3vwW9zI
― caek, Saturday, 28 July 2012 00:48 (eleven years ago) link
What busy hands he has. Imagine if he'd been in minority report- he'd have broken the machine!
― sktsh, Friday, 3 August 2012 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
i'm with s1ocki here, i thought this was a dope versh of TTSS that stands entirely separate from the miniseries, and does so in a manner that doesn't cause one to overshadow the other. i can imagine watching either one for vv different rewards. ricki tarr's whole arc is a bit more heartbreaking than in the mini, holding out for hope and probably never knowing the truth of what happened.
― omar little, Saturday, 4 August 2012 08:23 (eleven years ago) link
in some ways this would have been a better backstory for bane
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
Watched this again last night, having caught the bbc version and the novel since.
Oldman can't compare tbh, and i kept filling in details from the other versions (which was p enriching actually) but it's still excellent across the board.
― mundane peaceable username (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 July 2013 19:44 (ten years ago) link
i fell asleep during this. not proud of it.
― official ilxor account of Ke$ha (Treeship), Sunday, 21 July 2013 21:16 (ten years ago) link
I'm terrible at remembering names in Le Carre things, but - I thought Tom Hardy in the new film played the character differently, but just as well as, the one in the TV series, but I thought the new Irina was better.
In the series there's a wonderfully evil man in a white suit who comes along and taunts Smiley ('Everyone likes Anne'). I think he's meant to be a double agent? Does he turn up in the film?
In the film I thought the baddies who take over the secret service and are actually in the pay of the enemy were brilliant, each one so ugly, and all together riffing off each other, just stylised enough to work but just short of being too ridiculous.
― cardamon, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 04:29 (ten years ago) link
Will admit to liking Le Carre more and more after reading up on the controversy between him and Rushdie.
His insight during the Rushdie affair - he felt 'more worried about the girl at Penguin books having her hands blown off by a letter bomb' than he did about 'Mister Rushdie's royalties'. It's a certain kind of cynicism that's very, very difficult to achieve and people who go for cynicism as a thing often end up just being grey vampires or Guardian comment is free commenters.
― cardamon, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 04:33 (ten years ago) link