99% of indie pop is good- you just havent heard most of it yet

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(nabiso: w/r/t rocketship: they were reuniting every year for the annual popfest festival that happens in SF but i haven't gone in a few years.)

gygax!, Saturday, 22 February 2003 01:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

drive-in claims they will be releasing several projects by rocketship this year. there is also a rocketship/trace split cd that omnibus records claims to be releasing soon.

the boyracer album is just wonderful, something about the speed at which stewart strums his guitar is thrilling to no end. and the aislers set album is just incredible, amy linton is the smartest pop chick(oh no i said pop) on the block.

keith (keithmcl), Saturday, 22 February 2003 02:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I have heard some positive things about Florian and a few other Swedish bands"

Well i like FLorian a lot have done it for a few years now...

Jens (brighter), Saturday, 22 February 2003 10:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Special note to all those who saw the "comment on this band biography" thread where I said that indiepop is inextricably linked with the word "brighter": show all details on last post!)

nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am currently satiating my indiepop needs with Birdie and the Go-Betweens new ones (and My Favorite "Burning Hearts")

The number one band in the indiepop list poll this year was the Funday Mornings, so me and a few others i know scrabled around to find their records. As Pete H. says on twee.net it's straightforward Fat Tulips esqe fun pop, and it's OK, but it's not mind boggling good. So I'm still waiting for a best new band to come along. And I've been signing on to the tape-swaps just waiting for them to jump out at me.


marianna, Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Also Nitsuh, as your boyracer review was posted to the i-pop list, the ilxor.com board was mentioned, so maybe that'll get some good indiepop love flowing.

Marianna, Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

erm...no (this to the orig q).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 22 February 2003 21:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Julio, unless you want throngs of angry indiepopers besmirching your freejazz threads w/ claims of "OH GOD THIS SUCKS FUCKING ASS", I recommend not poking a sleeping bear, no matter how cute & cuddly it seems.

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 22 February 2003 21:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

jel, how did you hear about Sarah Sarah? um, i haven't heard them yet and i can't say i'm all that keen to..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 23 February 2003 04:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

(and My Favorite "Burning Hearts")

*drools* what an amazing song that is

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 23 February 2003 04:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

julio is right, because no matter what sort of music it is, it is impossible that 99% of it could be good -- it dont matter if its free jazz, indie pop or whatever.

jack cole (jackcole), Sunday, 23 February 2003 04:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I just started listening to Blueboy, and am so very very happy for it.

derrick (derrick), Sunday, 23 February 2003 07:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

jim, they were in an online catalog, and I just saw that they were from Melbourne. And they have songs called Dawsons Creek and Together Forever (which I'm supposing is a cover of the Kylie and Jason song).

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 23 February 2003 10:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

''Julio, unless you want throngs of angry indiepopers besmirching your freejazz threads w/ claims of "OH GOD THIS SUCKS FUCKING ASS", I recommend not poking a sleeping bear, no matter how cute & cuddly it seems.''

I do not care if braindead indiepop fans do that david (free jazz threads only ever get 5-20 replies anyway). I have heard indiepop and most of it has nothing going for it.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 23 February 2003 11:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I do think that indiepop kids are very uncritical and everybody goes around saying everything is good. I don't want to waste my time or money on anything that's less than good, so I want to know what's GREAT.

Doesn't that approach kind of miss the point? I should really stay out of this.

-fh

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Sunday, 23 February 2003 11:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

"The number one band in the indiepop list poll this year was the Funday Mornings" >

I arranged their first live show, they are really nice 15 year olds
you can get their 7" from www.benno.com or maybe www.normanrecords.com
or maybe www.roughtrade.com

You´ll like it if you like the likes of Fat tulips, Talulah gosh, Twa toots...

Jens (brighter), Sunday, 23 February 2003 11:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

jel, my understanding of S/S is that they have stupid lyrics and want to be The Salteens. but as i said i haven't heard them and could be wrong.

(Plus i know one of their members so I'm loath to do my usual sight-unseen slagging)

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 23 February 2003 22:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
Camera Obscura's "Underachievers Please Try Harder" stands up well to repeated listens.

I am curious about the Baskervilles.

It has been a quiet start of 2004 for indiepop.

marianna, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 14:45 (twenty years ago) link

Mascott's "Dreamer's Book" is pretty great.

LondonLee (LondonLee), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 15:14 (twenty years ago) link

i know it was march 2003, but Saturday Looks Good to Me "All Your Summer Songs" I think maybe was one of my favorite albums of the year.

The Architecture in Helsinki album is coming out in Europe and USA in April. It's really nice.

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:51 (twenty years ago) link

I got the shins album, but that's like major label indie pop. Most of the indie pop I like is Spanish as I'm free from trite lyrics and tweeness this way, unless I learn Spanish, which is unlikey.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:55 (twenty years ago) link

after the belle&sebastian show in new york, these kids were handing out boxes and boxes of free baskervilles CDs but i think i left mine on the train, on purpose. are they supposed to be good?

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

i'm seeing this band tonight called Architecture in Helsinki that's supposed to be "good"... ???

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:57 (twenty years ago) link

The Melbourne crew has talked about them a few times, as that is where they are from. They might well be 'good.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:59 (twenty years ago) link

"have" fun... ???

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 19:13 (twenty years ago) link

It's really disturbing to read comments you've forgotten you made.

Dare, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 19:16 (twenty years ago) link

the baskervilles are great, kinda like a band that should have been in athens in 1983. they also remind me of the able tasmans though they don't sound anything like them, just that the piano is really prominent and the lyrics are smart little stories. they don't sound anything like belle and sebastian though everyone says they do, it's more like college rock/pop from the 80s.


the magic whispers cd is great, kinda like a modern update of hunky dory but with two girls singing. the pipas ep is fantastic. new brunettes album is out soon.

keith m (keithmcl), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:25 (twenty years ago) link

I like Fosca a great deal. Scarlet's Well is coming off pretty well, though I've always viewed Bid as slighly inconsistent.

And Orlando is hot, even though they are only a pretend indie band.

Luke Broster, Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:24 (twenty years ago) link

new scarlet's well in a month or so. new clientele ep which i haven't got my hands on yet. dickon edward's involvement in scarlet's well worries me... he's ace, but you don't mess with perfection.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 25 March 2004 07:45 (twenty years ago) link

> Architecture in Helsinki

i've heard the lp, courtesy of melbournian friend, and is one of my favourites of last year. and they made it into peel's festive fifty with that song about the owl (or something). remind me a lot of bearsuit and hyper kinako if that helps, like the indiepop version of melt banana - little bitty pop songs.

oh, here we go, festive fifty 2003: (http://infoman16.tripod.com/festive50/festiv03.htm)

5- Bearsuit - Itsuko got married
(A-side of limited edition single)
29- Architecture In Helsinki - The owls go
(from Fingers Crossed)
44- Hyper-Kinako - Tokyo Invention Registration Office
(B-side of Car And Kettle) (Demo)

andy

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:35 (twenty years ago) link

the owls go is the worst song on that record. "kindling" and "souvenirs" are far better and far less irritating

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 25 March 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

is the new bearsuit LP out?
also, where do i get a copy of hyper-kinako? i heard an mp3 (some song about a frog princess) and loved it.

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 25 March 2004 23:27 (twenty years ago) link

new scarlet's well in a month or so. new clientele ep which i haven't got my hands on yet. dickon edward's involvement in scarlet's well worries me... he's ace, but you don't mess with perfection.

He was invited to write for the fourth album too, but he neglected to get anything put together. I think the two of them are on a similar wavelength, though, so it shouldn't affect the style much. Besides, it isn't as of non-Bid material has never been featured on a Scarlet's Well album. If Dickon even writes anything, that is.

But at the same time, I can see what you mean. The subject matter is so outlandish that it'd be easy for it to fall into self-parody without some careful rules set into place.

Luke Broster, Friday, 26 March 2004 01:19 (twenty years ago) link

is the new bearsuit LP out?

Comes out the middle of the next month, but you can get it early from their website now.

Ryan WS (fffv), Friday, 26 March 2004 01:46 (twenty years ago) link

I guess it's not a good idea to be too superstitious about the creative process. I just like the records so much!

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 26 March 2004 01:56 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
That Hyper-Kinako song "Don't Delete my Frog" is out now on Purr and, incredibly, was lat week's single of the week in Kerrang!

Ben Dot (1977), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:40 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
I heard "Stowaway" by Tullycraft on Play It As It Lays, a radio show on KUCI, yesterday. It was good.

youn, Thursday, 19 May 2005 02:35 (eighteen years ago) link

is it a new song? i always found tullycraft very difficult to bear, almost 100% because of the guy's voice.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Thursday, 19 May 2005 02:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i finally heard Girlinky and i like them a lot

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Thursday, 19 May 2005 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a song from their latest album. His singing is prominent on it, so maybe you won't like it. (xpost)

youn, Thursday, 19 May 2005 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i probably should have said "often" rather than "always" because there are a small handful of their songs i like.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Thursday, 19 May 2005 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

the young tradition album 'northern drive' is elegant and beautiful, like a sunny pop band whose favorite band is blueboy. it doesn't sound like blueboy. i am sure they are blatantly aping some 60s band but it's wonderful all the same.

keith m (keithmcl), Thursday, 19 May 2005 03:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Also great this year: the Voxtrot 7", the Math & Physics Club EP.

mikef-who-mostly-lurks (mfleming), Thursday, 19 May 2005 04:49 (eighteen years ago) link

That Hyper-Kinako song "Don't Delete my Frog" is out now on Purr and, incredibly, was lat week's single of the week in Kerrang!
-- Ben Dot (wearethedot...) (webmail), April 13th, 2004 10:40 PM. (link)

Is that about a certain ringtone on a phone?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 19 May 2005 07:38 (eighteen years ago) link

ARF.

I think The Pipettes should do a song called Wing'd Defenestration (Song For Sweety The Chick).

(Do you know, I've never heard the Pipettes, I would have done but I went to see Vichy instead along with a TRAMP and a drunk - oh that drunk was me looking in the mirror, oh well).

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 19 May 2005 08:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Indie Kind Myles sent me the funniest hate mail ever after this thread by the way! It was fantastic, thanks Myles!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 19 May 2005 08:18 (eighteen years ago) link

i heard them over the phone the other day. sound quality wasn't great.

xpost

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Thursday, 19 May 2005 08:18 (eighteen years ago) link

The Girlinky single seems decent. New band out named Hookers Green No.1's debut album hearkens back to the first Beta Band LP, with mixed results so far (like a dour, British Plus-Tech or Cornelius). The last Thrills single was...actually good. The Japanese band, Neil & Iraiza, are perfect, occasionally experimental, sunny-to-pensive indie pop. Seriously. The song I put on the song request thread by The Boy Least Likely To seems to have gone quick, and I already know I'm not the only person here who likes them. I doubt I'll hear a better indie record all year. You should grab the Bronze Age Fox track I put on the same thread - indie Prince, y'all!

The Irrelevant Man (Negativa) (Barima), Thursday, 19 May 2005 08:28 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Revived in Honor of Pitchfork's "Twee As Fuck" article.

The complementary ILM thread: "99% of indiepop is crap" is where most of the deep thinking that maybe was where Nitsuh's essay developed from, but its tone is a little cantankerous, so I thought I'd bring this one back first.

Anyway, thank god for filesharing networks or else the recommendation to check out Blueboys 'If Wishes Were Horses" would have driven the ebay prices way out of my budget.

marianna (mariannapm), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Umlaut!

vacuum cleaner (electricsound), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I still have the Visitors flexidisc!

everything, Saturday, 4 March 2023 02:12 (one year ago) link

!!

A really tiny number of people seem to like it quite a lot.

Tim, Saturday, 4 March 2023 11:24 (one year ago) link

Not sure if I quite grasp the thread revival, but FWIW I listen to late 1980s UK indie a great deal. In recent weeks I was playing the C87 CDs 2 and 3 over and over and over again.

I also enjoy Tim's old records, but he knows that already.

the pinefox, Saturday, 4 March 2023 11:49 (one year ago) link

I found 3 great sources for addendum's to "Scared To Get Happy":

From Wilfully Obscure (http://wilfullyobscure.blogspot.com/2013/06/va-scared-to-get-happy-addendum-aka.html):
01. Visitors - Goldmining
02. Moss Poles - Go Down
03. Remember Fun - Train Journeys
04. Field Mice - I Thought Wrong (Run away) (demo)
05. The Church Grims - Plaster Saint
06. Candy Skins - She Blew Me Away
07. Outskirts - Blue Line
08. Various Artists (the band) - Original Mixed Up Kid
09. North of Cornwallis - Billy Liar
10. Hellfire Sermons - Rachel Clean
11. Potting Sheds - Happy Again
12. The Perfect Disaster - Call it a Day
13. Hey Paulette - I Really Do Love Penelope
14. Jane From Occupied Europe - Ocean Run Dry
15. James Dean Driving Experience - Drop Dead Darling
16. The Rose Of Avalanche - Always There
17. Power of Dreams - The Jokes On Me (demo)
18. Palisades - Knight in Gale
19. This Scarlet Train - Picture Frame
20. St. Christopher - Even The Sky Seems Blue
21. Stray Trolleys - Secret Dreams Of A Kitchen Porter
22. Sundays - Can't Be Sure (4-track demo)

From Facebook suggestions:
Playthings - Juice
The Times - My Andy Warhol Poster
The Cleaners From Venus - Julie Profumo
Atom Spies - Aliens In Your Wardrobe
The Perfect Disaster - TV Girl On Fire
The Passmore Sisters - Every Child In Heaven
Barbel - Inferno
Jim Jiminee - I Wanna Work OR +Snap Me Up
St. James Infirmary - Terry Marriagehead
Essential Bop - Eloquent Sounds OR +Croaked
Electric Guitars - Work
The Lilac Time - Return To Yesterday
Snakes Of Shake - Southern Cross
Memphis - You Supply The Roses
Dislocation Dance - You’ll Never, Never Know
The Anyways - Confession
The Friendly Fires - Arkansas
Fat Tulips - Where’s Clare Grogan Now?
Parachute Men - Leeds Station
Fizzbombs - Surfaround
Mousefolk - Devil in the Deep Blue Sea
Baby Lemonade - Real World
Mayfields - World of Your Own
Moss Poles - One Summer
The Bridewell Taxis - Just Good Friends
Candy Darlings - That’s Where Caroline Lives
The Big Paintings - My Minitrend Friend
Gifted Children - My Favourite Films
Honeycrash - Kill Someone You Like (aka I Don't Blame You)
Fontaines - I Want Everything
City Giants - Little Next To Nothing
Jazzateers - Wasted OR +Natural Progression (Part 1)

From https://pedaladasabuenritmo.wordpress.com/2013/07/04/scared-to-get-happy-addendum-i/
Young Marble Giants - Cakewalking
Vic Godard - Stop That Girl
Direct Hits -Modesty Blaise
Eyeless In Gaza - New Risen
Ringing - Caprice
Memphis - You Supply The Roses
Cocteau Twins - Aikea Guinea
Beloved - A Hundred Words
Enormous Room - 100 Different Words
Stars Of Heaven - Talk About It Now
Bridge - Shame Is A Girl
Wallflowers - Thank You
Cleaners From Venus - Living With Victoria Grey
James Dean Driving Experience - World Weary & Wise (new version)
Emily - Mad Dogs
Reserve - A Perfect Lie
The Man From Delmonte - (Will Nobody Save) Louise
The Parachute Men - Sometimes In Vain
Marden Hill - Oh Constance
Remember Fun - Cold Inside
Po! - Appleseed Alley
The Nivens - Yesterday
St. Christopher - All OF A Tremble
The Ogdens - Rachel Put Your Arms About Me
Devine & Statton - Under The Weather
The Love Parade - Under The Weather
Treebound Story - Swimming In The Heart Of Jane
St. James Infirmary - Terry Marriagehead

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 4 March 2023 19:10 (one year ago) link

Nice! Looks like wilfullyobscure inspired the third one (at least)

Not sure if I quite grasp the thread revival

Sorry, to clarify I was providing a personal status update given my previous revive here.

Evan, Sunday, 5 March 2023 16:32 (one year ago) link

Well, to answer your previous revive -- yes, I am still very strongly into this music and listen to it frequently.

the pinefox, Sunday, 5 March 2023 16:46 (one year ago) link

Awesome.

Boy I got so overwhelmed by the innocent top 10 indie pop question, I've been putting it off...

Going to pivot and mention some recent favorite 45s:

Majestic 12 - Lost & Found
My Favorite - The Informers & Us
Tizzy - New Jersey
Moped - Naked, Sharp & Plastic
Snog 6 - Start All Over Again (CD EP)
Sammy - Neptune Ave. (Ortho Hi Rise)
The Someloves - Know You Now
Lenola - Oh Yes, Jeep Is Good! (more in the indie-noise-shoegaze camp)
Number One Cup - Malcolm's X-Ray Picnic
Bubby Girl - Coyote Spindle
Solar Coaster - Zero Sum / Karmageddon
Hopper - Wasted
LKWRM - Thirty Years Of Concentrated Thought (CD EP)
The Pennikurvers - The Pennikurvers
Clag - Manufacturing Resent
Madison Electric - Heavy Petal
The Cherry Smash - West Coast Rip-Off
New Sweet Breath - Silka
Charlotte Hatherley - Summer
Bomb Pops – Girl Daredevil + Riverside

Evan, Monday, 6 March 2023 16:03 (one year ago) link

Long shot - does anyone have digital rips of anything the label Bliss Aquamarine released?

Evan, Monday, 6 March 2023 16:25 (one year ago) link

It's always seemed to me that there was an "indiepop revival" around say 2008, and indeed that much of the current / subsequent idea of "indiepop" was actually crystallised then, retrospectively streamlining much of what had happened originally.

The prevalence of "popfests" for several years (plus Indietracks) around that period would support this view.

I also have the sense that this then flowed into some kind of dreampop that was possibly 80s-revivalist viz. Wild Nothing (who when I saw them live were not very different from a guitar-based indie band - but this is as long ago as 2010).

Whether there has been yet another wave of indiepop revivalism I don't know - rather, I suspect that C21 culture has "kept everything in play", permanently available.

the pinefox, Monday, 6 March 2023 18:31 (one year ago) link

Hey check out my stellar thread-relevant haul yesterday at the shop I used to manage (I am in the US):

Hood - I've Forgotten How To Live
Juno - Magnified And Reduced By Inches / Pablo Y Zelda
Fertile Virgin - Lucky Day
14 Iced Bears - World I Love
Tompot Blenny - Thinking Of Ways Of Keeping You Warm
Trembling Blue Stars - The Rainbow
St. Christopher - All Of A Tremble
The Sweetest Ache - I Remember Caroline
Strawberry Story - Small & Slightly Rounded EP
Various - Joe Friday
The Some Loves - It's My Time
The Melons - Strictly Melonhead EP
The Melons - Fast Lane
Eye Pilgrims / Choo Choo Train - Wall Of Sand / Many Happy Returns

Not bad for ~$55 total, right?

Evan, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 15:29 (one year ago) link

Anyway... anyone have any good leads for some obscure "classic" indie cassette compilation uploads? I've been hunting the web and it's tougher than I'd thought! Not to dismiss the great stuff I AM finding but just as often I'll learn of compilations that don't seem to exist digitally on soulseek or blogs or archive.org etc. yet. Or, I'll remain puzzled at the absence of any blogs dedicated to that "scene" of DIY and/or small label cassettes (with downloads). It would seem like one of those things a fan like myself with access would have done by now.

Evan, Friday, 17 March 2023 16:01 (one year ago) link

Have a gander at the things on here that aren't the NME tapes (actually the NME tapes are largely excellent but they are mostly outside the rubric of this thread): https://pressplayandrecord.wordpress.com/

I found this by searching for two old tapes whose names stuck in my head: Abigail's Birthday Party and Plinky Plonky There's a Donkey. For shame.

Tim, Friday, 17 March 2023 17:18 (one year ago) link

Ha! I can see why they stuck... thanks!

Evan, Friday, 17 March 2023 17:24 (one year ago) link

You're welcome. There are some good things on those tapes but if you emerge from listening to them and find yourself agreeing with the thread title, you're made from stronger stuff than I am.

Tim, Friday, 17 March 2023 17:25 (one year ago) link

I have a high tolerance for messy experimental throwaway if there's at least something to grab onto. Could just be atmosphere, or the extra-musical context of the tape aesthetic. The lows emphasize the highs along the journey, too. It all contributes to an audio ransom note of pop experiments with punk spirit.

Evan, Friday, 17 March 2023 17:41 (one year ago) link

pinefox I'm sorry to have passed over your post above!

You're probably right. I remember 2004-06 the trend in indie circles was bombast and post-rock/emo melodrama with elaborate post-twee instrumentation. Classic indie-pop was all about the ingredients of punk with a pop approach, so it would make sense that this would come back when there was a need for the pendulum to swing back in the other direction. But the 80s revival was certainly extremely popular too so yeah that focus got mixed in.

Evan, Friday, 24 March 2023 19:00 (one year ago) link


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