Xgau Tastes Voice's Ax

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rolling stone? eek

gear (gear), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

how times change! xgau + rolling stone = mutual hate society for many years

m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

He's been writing reviews for them for years, though.

totph (Totph), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

current RS music editor is his friend/protege. since the late 90s. before that, however, public enmity.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

look forward to reading xgau's revuettes on rhapsody. don't know if I'd want him in charge of programming tho

m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

how times change! xgau + rolling stone = mutual hate society for many years
I was gonna try to post a picture of Lou Reed inducting Frank Zappa into the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame, but couldn't find one.

The Redd 47 Ronin (Ken L), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

(Now I am imagining somebody photoshopping that onto the mural montage with the flag and the eagle and jay blancmange)

The Redd 47 Ronin (Ken L), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Sometime over the summer/early fall, VV published a long rambling, Christgau-penned feature article attempting to document the fact that the MFIC still actually goes out to shows. Or something. Basically a losely connected series of incoherent rambles assembled around the feeling of old and the dropping of names. Drunken nostalgia? Senile dementia? Who knows, but it became obvious that the time was nigh.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

how times change! xgau + rolling stone = mutual hate society for many years

From Dave Marsh, "The Critics' Critic, II" in the January 11th 1977 Rolling Stone

"Rock criticism is now often seen in many quarters as more important than rock itself. Many critics carry this one step further by superimposing their own, frequently arbitrary, standards upon performers.

A classic, sad example is Robert Christgau, whose "Consumer Guide" in the Village Voice was once a model of cogent, witty criticism. Lately, Christgau has grown arrogant and humorless--the raves are reserved for jazz artists, while even the best rock is treated condescendingly unless it conforms to Christgau's passion for leftist politics (particulaly feminism) and bohemian culture. While he is too shrewd to let his dislike for apolitical or middle-class performers affect his A plus to E minus rating of them, the tone of the writing is now snotty--it lacks compassion, not to mention empathy, with current rock.

The Christgau example is particularly dispiriting because when he lightens up on the ideology, he remains one of rock's most perceptive analysts. There are any number of parallel vices: the punk-rock critics, led by Lester Bangs and Richard Meltzer, celebrate cultural garbage--televised wrestling, franchised foods, Quaaludes--and often wander into racism and sexism. Unfortunately for the punks, some mass culture artifacts are just garbage--Bangs and Meltzer usually know the difference but most of their followers and fellow punk critics do not, as a glance at an issue of Creem, their main outlet, quickly shows."

THE IRONY THE IRONY THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING, ETC.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Bruce Springsteen, Born to Run [Columbia, 1975] A-

A Radio Picture (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 01:11 (seventeen years ago) link

the punk-rock critics, led by Lester Bangs and Richard Meltzer, celebrate cultural garbage--televised wrestling, franchised foods, Quaaludes--and often wander into racism and sexism. Unfortunately for the punks, some mass culture artifacts are just garbage--Bangs and Meltzer usually know the difference but most of their followers and fellow punk critics do not, as a glance at an issue of Creem, their main outlet, quickly shows

This is kind of fascinating in that, just a few years later, Bangs was acknowledging/addressing this sort of thing in The White Noise Supremacists.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 03:01 (seventeen years ago) link

(And that piece tends to fascinate me, because to me it kinda suggests Bangs maturing and acknowledging that a lot of the stuff people valorize him for might be dumb or hurtful or just ... well, it's this moment of acknowledging the seriousness of the world and importance of caring about it, and the idea that morals are more important than humor or style. I mean, that's something I'm glad Bangs came around to and wrote so eloquently about, and I wish a lot of the people who think he's so great would have the same realization.)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 03:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Is "a lot of people" there a strawman demographic?

As a Bangs fan, by the way, I would say that I think he was always a fairly serious and fairly normal critic and I'm not sure how often the alleged inability to take serious things seriously was ever that characteristic of his writing as a whole.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 03:16 (seventeen years ago) link

And that piece tends to fascinate me, because to me it kinda suggests Bangs maturing and acknowledging that a lot of the stuff people valorize him for might be dumb or hurtful or just ... well, it's this moment of acknowledging the seriousness of the world and importance of caring about it, and the idea that morals are more important than humor or style.

But, nabisco, even his Lou Reed essays/wrestling matches avowed the moralism of the Velvets over the easy chuckles of, say, Sally Can't Dance.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Alfred, I'm not saying that essay is the only appearance of those ideas, or that they were absolutely new to him! But really in all of his early-80s New York writing it feels like there's a recommitment to that kind of stuff. The earlier stuff still probably has more of a moral dimension than most music writing (even when its moral dimensions were wrong), but it's still interesting to see him once again wowed by the seriousness of it.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 03:30 (seventeen years ago) link

isn't dave marsh impossibly sententious these days?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 07:44 (seventeen years ago) link

isn't dave marsh impossibly sententious these days?

He's always struck me as a dull, predictable, and aesthetically conservative writer.
Yeah, and sententious, too.

opalescent arcs (Da ve Segal), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 09:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Marsh wrote a Musician piece in 1980 damning Christgau for embracing the avant-garde (Pere Ubu, B-52's) over Tom Petty.

A Radio Picture (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 10:00 (seventeen years ago) link

In recent years Marsh has always tried to get his brand of left-wing populist politics into his own reviews and articles in his Rap & Roll Confidential newsletter, and elsewhere (his involvement with Springsteen), so his criticism of Christgau back then for injecting politics is interesting. Although Marsh is likely to claim his injection of his Detroit-born politics is different than Christgau's NYC version.

Musically, Marsh's taste has always been narrower than Christgau's.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link


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