NME's 'C86 Compilation'.... C&D, S&D, Say Something Interesting About, etc etc etc...

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At the time, and shortly afterwards, I looked on C86 with some rancour, because I saw it as codifying "indie". No longer just "record released on independent label", now it meant "indie music", a genre. Floppy fringe, singer as flat as a fart, slack drumming, etc etc. I guess it would probably have happened anyway, but a little of the rancour still remains, even though I actually like some of it.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have the extremely limited edition tape of the Cellophane live album. It's all there. Linda Prolapse on stand up drums, Andy Anorak shouting "Havoo!" between each song. Andy Wah Wah stretching those same 3 "Taste of Cindy" chords over an entire gig. Songs about Jane Fonda's lips, fizzy ribena, jumping into sunshine and groovy cosmic anoraks.

Marvellous stuff! (Zappi, I'll do you a tape if you want, to thankyou for those Deerhoof beauties you sent me the other week).

flowersdie (flowersdie), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yeh, definitely! have you got any Reg demos as well?

zappi (joni), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh and Holly Hobby demos (im not joking!)

zappi (joni), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

fucking great AOC track .. not a floppy fringe in sight.

the rest is pretty much what i enjoyed prior to my wake up call @ end of 86 when i discovered Run DMC.

prior to that though i loved mighty lemon drops and shop assistants for several hours.

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This cutting was on the Wolfhounds website:

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i have that AOC ICA gig on cd-r. somewhere ..

bad sound.

not to mention that the band had 'issues' with the soundboard that day which messed up the gig somewhat - according to well established sources.

but fun stuff nonetheless, includes power cut !

.. and i dont mean the Noel Watson (the bands DJ later on)

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Any idea who Dump were?

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I imagine that is an unfortunate typo for Stump

Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Are any of these bands worth searching for? This is the track-listing from the vulcan studios comp that i have (and like-not all of it, but some). It also has arthur's farm by hmhb on it. i got this track-listing from the hmhb website. i'm already a fan of theirs though. I was gonna start a thread on the comp, but i figure this is as good a place as any.

Peter Hurst New Brighton Through The Binoculars Of The People
One Last Fight Catch Candy
Ryan Like Men Possessed
Two's A Crowd Goodnight Angel
Crikey It's The Cromptons Food For Feet
Gone To Earth No Work Today
Innocents Abroad Time Was
Fairground In Fear Of You
Jacktars Tadpole
The Decemberists Gift Horse
Magic Carpets Trick Of Fate
Da Vincis The Book
Peter Hurst/Brian N. Smithers The End

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Scott, there a Decemberists thread right here. I quite like a couple of their songs - there's a whole bunch of them on their webpages.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

cool, thanks, nick.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Isn't that thread about a new band though? I'm confused. That Vulcan comp is really old. 1986, i think.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Well, I'm obv more confused than you! Sorry, I didn't realise that was an old comp.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Okay, quick heads up on what I downloaded from that random Soulseekers "c86 folder"

9 Steps to Ugly - Eddie Lopez lives in Slough
Very cool, proto-Sundays. Makes me wonder if that is actually Harriet Wheeler singing.

Ammonites - All We Had
Slightly better than average Britpopesque Garage Rock with a singer doing a mediocre Morrissey/Mick Hucknall impersonation.

Apple Moths - Kymri
Gag-inducingly cheesy knockoff of...I dunno...General Public or sumthin. The opening 3 seconds sounds like a jingle for Minty Kleen ass-freshener.

Baby Lemonade - Jiffy Neckwear Creation
Very, very, very badly encoded. The song sounds like an inept Fall cover band doing a version of a bad Wire b-side. And the mp3 sounds like a Victrola at the bottom of a well. (Yes, I know that this is a "The food is so terrible, and whats worse the portions are so small" kind of argument, but it is the truth.)

Baby Lemonade - Real World
Ahhhh. This is much better. Its like what would happen if Stereolab and Lush had a baby.

Balloon Farm - A Question of Temperature
Weird ass retro shit. Like a 60s garage band basing their 80s comeback on a mix of Fretblanket and TMBG's "Twisting"; though the faux soul chorus is so cheesy as to be unintentionally cool.

Jamie Wednesday - I Think I'll Throw a Party for Myself.
Yick. No wonder nobody shows up for your shindigs, you John Wesley Harding wannabe.

Jazz Butcher - Shirley MacLaine
Coulda been cool, like an upbeat version of...I dunno...Nick Cave fronting the Hoodoo Gurus. Shame the mp3 sounds like crap being squirted through a very thin tube.

Look Blue Go Purple - Hiawatha
The only thing cooler than the weird retro organ is the thickly accented brit girl pretending to be both Kim Gordon and Kristin Hersh.

Love Parade - Wounded
Whiny maudlin drivel. Starts out with yet another lame Morrissey impersonation. (and another track with tinny...no, scratch that... 'styrofoamy' sound. a 160 bitrate and it sounds like your listening to it through a door.)

Primitives - Crash (Demo)
I always loved this song. The vibe is much rawer, but the singers vocal sounds unrehearsed and slightly bored.

Wild Flowers - A Kind of Kingdom
Derivative, yet...catchy. I can't explain it, but the music sounds...aussie. The vocal tries to hard to be Bono Vox, though.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Custos, that Balloon Farm single came out in 1967. It should have been in the C67 folder.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Jamie Wednesday - I Think I'll Throw a Party for Myself.
Yick. No wonder nobody shows up for your shindigs, you John Wesley Harding wannabe.

Jamie Wednesday were a previous incarnation Carter USM weren't they?

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 20:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the Balloon Farm were ok - from coventry - and definitely 80s.

"All we had" was the Ammonites song i remembered as ok.

I liked what I heard of 9 Steps to Ugly. (And the Sainsburys were on a similar tape I once had - they were good)

Most of the rest mentioned in Custos' post a bit rubbish. (But NOT baby lemonade!)

"Doing it for the kids" is way more floppy fringed and whiney than C86. When you think of C86 you must never forget it housed bands as brilliant as A Witness and Big Flame.

Oh and the Jactars were pretty good of all those scouse bands upthread. Hellfire sermons were the best liverpool band of all though (well, second best behind HMHB)

gerardo francisco, Tuesday, 28 September 2004 21:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I remember Jamie Wednesday but didnt know there was a Carter link. I think they were the worst of the bands of the otherwise pretty spiffy Pink label (Wolfhounds, McCarthy, June Brides and early That Petrol Emotion). There was a Pink compilation out at the time that had way more of an effect on me than C86. But then again, not nearly as much of an effect as Wailing Ultimate had on me around that time or In Love With These Times shortly after.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 21:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Okay, now I'm really confused. Their was an 80's band named Balloon Farm that named themselves after the 60's band Balloon Farm who did a cover of the 60's Balloon Farm's biggest hit? Was their version better than Brownsville Station's cover of "A Question Of Temperature"? Were they a tribute band?

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 21:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dont know that partic tune - but the Balloon Farm (80s) were no trib band, they were immensely weedy and to 15-year old me most likeable - they later became the Pristines - maybe the copyright police or their dads caught up with them - I dont think they released any records until they changed their name. But they weren't as good afterwards.

gerardo francisco, Tuesday, 28 September 2004 21:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Jamie Wednesday were a previous incarnation Carter USM weren't they?

yeah, Carter formed when the other three blokes quit but they still had a gig booked; Jim and Les did the show with a drum machine and thought "well this was easy and we don't have to split the money so much" sorta thing. "let's name this one after you instead of me."

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 02:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

What about bIG fLAME? Their tune was fantastic and made me buy a couple of their records, which were equally great. They broke up pretty soon after though.

everything, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 15:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Anyone have this one:

Various Artists - An Hour Of Eloquent Sounds
Pleasantly Surprised 001 / Klark 02
a Speak in Volumes / Sunset Gun Enterprises colaboration 1982

Side 1
Side 2
1. The Birthday Party - The Hairshirt
2. Dante and the Lobster - Murder Followed By
3. The French Impressionists - Summertime
4. A Pair Of Blue Eyes - Giovanis Room
5. Eric Random and the Nosebleeds - Bedlam a
6. Ludus - Rosa Luxemburg
7. Primal Scream - Thought
8. Marine Girls - Take A Chance
9. A.P.B. - Love To Learn
10. 22 Beaches - Zoo
11. Essential Bop - Monkey Glands
12. Cocteau Twins - Perhaps Some Other Aeon
13. The Wake - The Drill
14. Sunset Gun - Gotta Have Me Go With You
15. Billy Makenzie Sings Orbidoig - Helicopter

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 2 October 2004 20:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Well, anything that has the Cocteau Twins and the Birthday Party has my vote. (Unless, of course, this comp is total ass and those two are mere "bait tracks")

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 3 October 2004 02:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
I saw some vinyl promo version of the C86 tape on eBay recently. I'd be interested in hearing it for historical reasons if nothing else. I bought the Rough Trade Indiepop compilation last month and have just started getting into all those 80s UK indie pop bands. When I was in England last month I was able to find a couple of Creation Records compilations at a used vinyl store for 2 pounds each - 'Doing It For The Kids', and 'Its Different For Domeheads'. Both are good - 'Doing It For The Kids' has a really good Felt song on it I can't find anywhere else.

W. Earl Piglet, Friday, 31 December 2004 01:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

b-b-but the felt song on 'doing it for the kids' is "ballad of the band", it's on three different Felt compilations..

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Friday, 31 December 2004 02:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I thought something wasn't quite right there.

Bimble..., Friday, 31 December 2004 02:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

5 according to AllMusic.
Initial searches only led me to the Bad Company song "Ballad Of the Band".
I guess I didn't look hard enough.
Beside the point - its a good song.

W. Earl Piglet, Friday, 31 December 2004 03:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 09:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink


Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 10:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i used to like saint etienne but their connection to c86 (none of which i've heard) has always bewildered me.

and now bob stanley gone done this.

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's the music of Bob Stanley's youth, that's the connection

Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the connections of bob stanley to c86 are widespread and considerable

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i didn't know what c86 was when i was getting into saint etienne. they seemed au fait with dance music, which i had been led to believe indie kids weren't supposed to like. and even since then, weren't the c86 lot about "shambling"? not sure what shambing entails exactly, but it doesn't sound very etienne-like.

benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm trying hard to imagine anyone who is more of an indie kid than Bob Stanley is/was!

Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink


benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Ha ha, but, re: St. Etienne and dance music, indie kids do grow up eventually

Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

has CD86 got all the C86 trax on it?

pisces (piscesx), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink


e.g. Stump "Buffalo"

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I don't think it has any C86 tracks on it

Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

No Miaow! either. But a lot of the others.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

My main problem with the C86 comp is that most of the really really awesome songs that get labeled as "C86" aren't actually on the C86 comp.

Somebody said it up there

Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Velocity Girl" is the same start track on both.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

That's because "Velocity Girl" was (that incarnation of) Primal Scream's best track, nobody else on C86 was represented by their best tracks (they were mostly rubbish tracks that would have ended up stuck on the b-side of a 12")

Diddumsismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Did The Bodines record a better song than "Therese"?!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

About half of the first Bodines album is about as good as "Therese".

"nobody else on C86 was represented by their best tracks "

So true. Though Buffalo is Stump's most likable track.

everything (everything), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The McCarthy track put me off them for far too long.

Venga (Venga), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Gasp! You dare diss the McCarthy track! For shame!

Bassment Jacks (Bimble...), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

C'mon man, it's far from their best.

everything (everything), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I bought the C86 tape in a second hand shop in 1997, and I was surprised by all the Fall-influenced bands because I was expecting it all to be jangly indiepop, because that's what C86 meant at the time.

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 15:02 (nine months ago) Permalink

C86 became a millstone for bands included on the album and also for some bands that weren't. BMX Bandits' C86 album is because they were one of the bands cast as and archetypal C86 band yet having nothing to do with it. And possibly because it had taken them almost 5 years to get an album out and some of the songs were from the C86 period. The cover has their skeleton mascot rising from the dead with associated iconography - just like Iron Maiden's Live After Death.

everything, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:38 (nine months ago) Permalink

But maybe Duglas will show up on this thread to sort it out.

everything, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:46 (nine months ago) Permalink

Stevie T pointed out to me that MIAOW was CATH CARROLL so I listened to this with new ears.

Previously I had heard or misheard it as some kind of Scritti Politti pastiche.

I also keep playing THE SERVANTS.

Despite my doubts, there is something about this compilation that responds to a lot of listening.

the pinefox, Monday, 16 April 2018 10:19 (nine months ago) Permalink

The Servants is Luke Haines's original band iirc?

you're my luger not my rifle (Noodle Vague), Monday, 16 April 2018 10:33 (nine months ago) Permalink

It was but he hadn’t joined by the time of C86.

Tim, Monday, 16 April 2018 10:41 (nine months ago) Permalink

Stevie T pointed out to me that MIAOW was CATH CARROLL so I listened to this with new ears.

Check out the Miaow compilation When It All Comes Down that LTM put out; great stuff!

early rejecter, Monday, 16 April 2018 14:25 (nine months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Yes, that sounds like a good idea.

I have just started on the Cherry Red C87 compilation. It's very good! Better than C86!

the pinefox, Friday, 29 June 2018 15:13 (six months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

CD2 of C87 is even better than CD1.

One song on it that I never really knew is LAUGH's 'Paul McCartney'. I find this tune quite compelling. Does anyone else remember and like this band?

the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 09:11 (five months ago) Permalink

They are on the Video comp "Gimme Shelter" put out by the NME.

Mark G, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 09:18 (five months ago) Permalink

I know and like Laugh - our friend Dan Pantry was a big fan, PF. My favourite of their material is when they went a little dancier on SubAqua ("Good To Feel Good" off their only LP is tremendous, though I think a little less up your street.

They evolved into Intastella, who you may also remember?

Tim, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 09:35 (five months ago) Permalink

Thanks TH! Somehow I associated you with Laugh but could not find any specific evidence of this.

I do remember the name Intastella but not, just now, the music.

The song 'Paul McCartney' - apart from its perhaps appealing title - has a kind of rhetorical and emotional urgency that I find fits well with its melody and music.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 10:18 (five months ago) Permalink

Bad news update: CD3 seems to be where the bad, gurning, wacky, tuneless sub-Fall would-be-avant-garde bands have been stowed in this compilation. I had hoped that it might be almost free of them. It's quite a disappointment after the heights of CD2.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:31 (five months ago) Permalink

I'd keep going, the first 8 or so bands might be along those lines but I'd be surprised if you view e.g. Jesse Garon & The Desperadoes or the Siddeleys as tuneless sub-Fall (of course I like all the supposedly bad bands at the beginning of disc 3, especially the Dog Faced Hermans and A Witness)

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:44 (five months ago) Permalink

Yes, A Witness in particular has some great moments.

The next box, "C89", is coming out in a couple of weeks!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:53 (five months ago) Permalink

I agree, Jesse Garon and (even more) Siddeleys are definitely not in that bad genre. (Though there is a Jesse Garon track somewhere that seems to have some kind of Mark E. Smith pastiche on it?) So yes I will keep going, thanks.

As a friend says, it's good that they put all that stuff together and maybe I can skip past it in future.

I like the idea of C89 but I will need to get to C88 first.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:44 (five months ago) Permalink

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