how was vanilla ice portrayed by the media?

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And, wait a second, I remember a lot of references to selling out or not in lyrics (c. 1988-1992), so that doesn't sound like it's coming from outside. (Although like I said, Chuck D., one of the very people talking about selling out or not, would also defend people accused of selling out.)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember Chuck D praising Vanilla Ice in some Rolling Stone article: "a white boy dancing like that? yo!"

am I mistaken or didn't he initially DENY that he had sampled Under Pressure?

yay! I get to share one of my favorite quotes for the 80th time on ILX.

"see their song goes dee-dee-dee-diggy-dee-dee dee-dee-dee-diggy-dee-dee. Ours goes dee-dee-dee-diggy-diggy-dee-dee DEE-dee-dee-dee-diggy-dee-dee. It's totally different."

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 12 September 2004 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

woops. threw an extra diggy in there.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 12 September 2004 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Could it be that the "white boy" thing was pushed too much and *everyone* just started gagging on it? Where I was, I seem to remember that it was the Wild Cherry cover in combo with his movie release that just made people flip their mental "ok, fuck off now" switches. It felt like he went from a phenomenon, novel in it's originality, to mere novelty because of the extreme self-conciousness of even the positive press and promotion.

Kim (Kim), Sunday, 12 September 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

we should all just listen to buck cherry and fuck all them new kids on the block-type acks

peter $.., Sunday, 12 September 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Cool As Ice is a total must-see. Dude was a clown and god bless him.

"yo, KAT! words o' wisdom...drop that zero and get with the HERO!"

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 12 September 2004 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

am I mistaken or didn't he initially DENY that he had sampled Under Pressure? Did he just not know because the music was produced by someone else (and if so, who)? I mean, you only had to listen to it know it was a sample, I don't understand denying that it is. effect of being a weak bitch, obv. pulling a woman's hair? chrise... is it obv a sample? no. ice easily could not have heard of it's origin, but i'd hate to be his lawyer

what bside single did v blow up on?

impt question -- how much of the "he's not even hip-hop" thing came from people who *don't like hip-hop*? i've noted that the first to denounce "sellouts" are often the least familiar, and often the most concerned with hip-hop incursion onto their own territory -- in this case "white ppl. music". yeah

I wonder how much the backlash against the pop success of breakdance heavy acts like Vannila Ice and MC Hammer had to do with the abandoning of the whole elements thing in mainstream Hip-Hop.
the question is would you rather see breakdancers or women vibratin? in living color bridged the gap, but now we're almost there w/beyonce & video girls. lloyd banks is a bastard, and 50 manipulates his image and salability so well.

peter $.., Sunday, 12 September 2004 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"ice ice baby" wa the b-side to "play that funky music" before it went KA-BOOM!

The kids on my bus knew every goddamn word immediately.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 12 September 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Cool As Ice is one of the funniest films ever made. I wept.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 12 September 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i remember that, but i came out w/hammer 2 legit to quit w/the hand signs :D

peter $.., Sunday, 12 September 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

My favorite part is where he is chasing Kat riding her horse on his motorcycle, and then jumps a fence... with no ramp or anything, just does a Mach 5 jump over it and scares the horse to all hell. He's a romantic at heart.

David Allen (David Allen), Sunday, 12 September 2004 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't seen it for too long. I remember him spending the whole film walking like he'd shat himself, though.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 12 September 2004 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

he also drives his motorcycle through the wall of a house. while not wearing a helmet.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

"looky looky looky in Kat's black booky phbbt phbbt phbbt"

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

his autobiography (or memoirs) was called "to the extreme" right?

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Not "To The Extreme Right"?

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

DAMN YALL

PETER $.., Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

"called to the extreme"

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

impt question -- how much of the "he's not even hip-hop" thing came from people who *don't like hip-hop*? i've noted that the first to denounce "sellouts" are often the least familiar, and often the most concerned with hip-hop incursion onto their own territory -- in this case "white ppl. music".
i.e. "he's not even hip-hop" = stay in your place.

I see what yr getting at here but I'm fairly certain most hip-hop fans weren't feeling him. They may have liked the single, at least when it first came out, but there was probably some resentment at this wack, lying white boy coming out of nowhere and making more money than any black rapper up to this time, except for maybe hammer.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

malibu's most wanted was one of the most honestly disgusting things i've ever seen on hbo. it ws after the chris rock spcl ("boy, how'd'you know 'octagon?!'") and it could be an acceptable movie if the white boy/son of a presidential candidate doesn't succeed at becoming a real nigga in his environment AS WELL AS mc the presidential innauguration or whatever happens in the closing scene. PLUS he gets the black girl. sick.
this obv didnt happen for ice.

peter $,,, Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Ice's behind the music is my favorite one ever

Symplistic (shmuel), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't watch him on TV now. Dude's got some understandable anger issues (and some incomprehensbile ones too). Also I've never forgiven him for using the phrase "I'd like my grandma's asshole for a million dollars. Anybody would." to explain some of the clothes his handlers made him wear.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

lick not like.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 12 September 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"V-Ice was a breakdancer. He was respected as far as that goes..."

I think we all know who schooled him in that department:

http://www.ninjaturtles.com/oozepix/ooze26.jpg

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 12 September 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

ice name-checks his dj as 'deshay' (or something similar) in 'ice ice baby'.. did he actually have a dj backing him or was this just for word-play?

chris andrews (fraew), Sunday, 12 September 2004 21:14 (nineteen years ago) link

wait you were actually offended by "Malibu"!? splain!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 12 September 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

his autobiography (or memoirs) was called "to the extreme" right?

-- s1ocki (slytus...), September 12th, 2004.
it was called "ice by ice".

mason butler, Monday, 13 September 2004 02:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Breakdancers were pretty much ostracised by the hip hop community as soon as there were Today show segments and cheesy Hollywood movies about them. It wasn't until relatively recently that it regained it's place in hip hop.

oops (Oops), Monday, 13 September 2004 06:12 (nineteen years ago) link

What it's like...Havin' a RONI.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 September 2004 06:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I think you could almost say that performance dancing (for music artists) in general went out of vogue for a very good stretch of time from around that point on. Unless you care to count moshing, hopping and flailing as dancing.

Kim (Kim), Monday, 13 September 2004 06:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah but I don't think the Iceman's success had anything to do with the demise of breakdancing. In fact, I've never even considered what he and Mr. Hammer did to be breaking, and I doubt hippityhoppers did either.

oops (Oops), Monday, 13 September 2004 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link

YO! It’s the green machine -- Gonna rock the town without bein’ seen
Have you ever seen a turtle Get Down? -- Slammin’ Jammin’ to the new swing sound
Yeah, everybody let’s move -- Vanilla is here with the new Jack Groove
Gonna rock, and roll this place -- With the power of the ninja turtle bass
Iceman, ya know I’m not playin’ -- Devistate the show while the turtles are sayin:
Ninja, Ninja, RAP! Ninja, Ninja, RAP!
GO GO GO
Go Ninja, Go Ninja, GO; Go Ninja, Go ninja, GO!
Go Ninja, Go Ninja. GO; Go Ninja, Go ninja, GO!
GO GO GO GO

Lyrics, fill in the gap -- Drop that bass and get the NINJA RAP
Feel it, if you know what I mean -- Give it up for those heroes in green
Just flowin, smooth with the power -- Kickin’ it up, hour after hour
Cause in this life there’s only one winner -- You better aim good so you can hit the center
In it to win it, with a team of four -- Ninja Turtles that you gotta adore it’s the:

Ninja, Ninja, RAP! Ninja, Ninja, RAP!
GO GO GO
Go Ninja, Go Ninja, GO; Go Ninja, Go ninja, GO!
Go Ninja, Go Ninja. GO; Go Ninja, Go ninja, GO!
GO GO GO GO

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 13 September 2004 07:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I recall most of the rock press (who were late to know he existed) doing the knee-jerk "He's a phony" thing, notably that stupid Village Voice piece (was it by Rob Tannenbaum?). And that's still the knee-jerk line (see David Toop in the later editions of Rap Attack). However, when the time came to review 3rd Bass's "Pop Goes the Weasel," the many readers of Radio On were treated to these spiritied defenses of Vanilla Ice. Greil Marcus: "These guys are creeps, making a whole career out of being holier than thou. I'll take Vanilla Ice any day (he has a much better name, no one can argue with that)." Chuck Eddy: "Well, they're obviously morons. Vanilla Ice is obviously a greater artist. Anti-sellout rock has been a sham since the days of 'So You Want To Be A Rock 'N' Roll Star." Scott Woods: "'Ice Ice Baby' is a great single, and Vanilla Ice is (was?) more interesting than they'll ever be (to listen to, to read about)." This turned the critical tide internationally, and now everyone respects Vanilla Ice.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link

what do you call it when your foot goes up your ass after you overcompensate for a knee jerk response?

oops (Oops), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

"ILX0R"

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

you beat me to my own punchline.

oops (Oops), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

"Ice Ice Baby" initially came out on a tiny indie label (Ultrax or something like that) before SBK or whatever that label was picked it up (and, if I remember right, remixed it.) I first heard it on a rap station in Detroit, not a pop station; I thought it was great -- it reminded me of NWA, sort of, only catchier. I bought the Ultrax 12-inch (which, stupidly, I later wound up selling) in a Detroit store specializing in rap records. I remember a few months later, seeing the CD box in the store, and being completely shocked that Vanilla Ice was white. It had never even occurred to me, because there was nothing especially white about the *sound* of "Ice Ice Baby" (beyond the "Under Pressure" sample, of course, but then lots of black rappers sample white rock songs, so that was nothing to go on.) Anyway, after that, the record exploded, of course. And then (ONLY then) the backlash happened. But "Ice Ice Baby" is still a great record. And 3rd Bass never did anything anywhere near as good.

chuck, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

You were right up until the point you dissed 3rd Bass, chuck.

So you get the Gas Face.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Monday, 13 September 2004 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Which NWA song does "Ice Ice Baby" sound like?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 13 September 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

chuck do you also have a spirited defense of Milli Vanilli somewhere?

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it reminded me of "Gangsta Gangsta" -- I'm not saying it *sounded* like that song, exactly, though; I think it must have been stuff like the "Shay with the gague and Vanilla with the nine" and "gunshots rang out like a bell" lines; he was using this cool braggy violent stuff as hooks, sort of like how NWA (and not a lot of other rappers on the radio up to that point) had. (So maybe I just mean he sounded more like NWA than like Schoolly D!)

Shakey, you should read Phil Dellio's mathematical proof of Milli Vanilli being better than Bob Dylan. It's better than anything I could write about them. (Though I do think they were okay. I confused them with Bobby Brown at first. And Frank Farian was a genius; he had already proved that with Boney M.)

chuck, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

how about Pat Boone?

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

or Al Jolson?

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

or the ICY HOTT STUNTAZ!

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

or a similarly incomprehensibly bad one-hit wonder from the same era, Mr. Rico Suave, Gerardo!

I eagerly await your critical contortions.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, Al Jolson was pretty important. (Even ask Jerry Lee Lewis.)

"Rico Suave" did not blow me away, though.

chuck, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link

it blew me away though. out of the fucking water. to this day i've yet to recover.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 13 September 2004 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't ask if he was "important" chuck (all sorts of worthless people are "important"), I asked if you could provide a spirited defense of his career a la your weird inversion of the traditional Vanilla Ice narrative (ie, he had real "cred" and you can prove it cuz you were "down" with him before anyone else was).

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 September 2004 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

meaning that in your version of events, Ice started out as a "real" rapper with legitimate hip-hop credentials and (most importantly) you knew about it, ergo, both you and Ice are actually cool and everyone else is just a bunch of haterzzzz

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 September 2004 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

tho all of that is beside the point when considering that the song "Ice Ice Baby" itself is terribly flaccid and dull, regardless of Vanilla Ice's persona/media image. It doesn't have any of the bite or explosiveness of NWA (no sirens, gunshots, yelling, etc.), and the rapping is pedestrian in every sense of the word. No inventive slang, no real lyrical hook, no surprises.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 13 September 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

police on the scene, u know wut I mean

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:16 (five years ago) link

Best response: "Stop. Contaminate and listen."

Second best: "Hope you were able to get word to your mother."

Eliza D., Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:30 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckNuJuO_N2w

Thought this was the hottest shit ever when I was too young to know better.

triggercut, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:40 (five years ago) link

probably listened to that CD 100 times as a kid and had no idea who "Rob Van Winkle" was. I thought that was just some stupid name the Bloodhound Gang made up

frogbs, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:44 (five years ago) link

Same. And I don't remember the back of the album crediting him at all, let alone as Vanilla Ice.

BLOODHOUND GANG AND ROB VAN WINKLE...TOGETHER ON THIS TRACK

triggercut, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:49 (five years ago) link

oh boy, havent heard that in a v long time... they really tried to ride the beastie boys sabotage train w that one.

Machine Gunk Jelly (Spottie), Thursday, 6 September 2018 17:21 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

I think that if the internet had been around to the extent it is today back in 1990, then Vanilla Ice might not have come off so badly. The entire media story, at lease in the UK, was that he was a fool, poser, etc.. But now there'd be Twitter stans (lol thanks Eminem), and he himself would be engaging much more directly with the public at large through social media. On the other hand, if Soundcloud and other music platforms been around back then, would he still have taken the compromised path to fame that he did.
He did pave the way for other white rappers in a sense, because he was so totally criticised that anyone following after him had a) a model of what not to do, and b) a very low bar to get over (don't be a complete fool like this Vanilla guy).

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvp9ELDix5I

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:12 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

The Art Of 'Cool As Ice'

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Monday, 1 March 2021 15:23 (three years ago) link

The Art Of 'Cool As Ice'🕸


Yep yep.

Bruno Ganz and Babaloo Mandel (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 1 March 2021 15:39 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

W.T.F. (Wisdom, Tenacity and Focus), also known as W.T.F. or just WTF, is the sixth and, to date, most recent studio album by American rapper Robert Van Winkle, known as Vanilla Ice. Originally scheduled for a 2009 release, it was officially released as a digital download on August 30, 2011, through Radium Records, executive produced by Vanilla Ice, Nick DeTomaso and Mark Mehwald.

stank viola (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 00:57 (one year ago) link

he could have been bob van winkle. but instead, he became vanilla ice

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 01:20 (one year ago) link

“yo, Bloodhound Gang and Rob Van Winkle, together on this track”

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 04:30 (one year ago) link

"Rob Van Winkle in the conference room!"

stank viola (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 04:38 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuxNq_FIvgQ

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 04:47 (one year ago) link


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