Wesley Willis R.I.P.

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unless ur talking about gg allin

chaki (chaki), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:29 (twenty years ago) link

I misspelt "too"

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:31 (twenty years ago) link

i agree that if there are people here that knew him personally it's wise to save assessments of his music for another time.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:32 (twenty years ago) link

grieving in public for someone you knew is a bad idea.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:32 (twenty years ago) link

that puts to kibosh on encomiums in the new york times.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

the kibosh

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think this thread is the proper place for discussing whether grieving is a "bad idea" or not, either.

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 20:36 (twenty years ago) link

hstencil i know this may come as a shock but did it ever occur to you that no one really gives a rats ass what you think is a good idea? (p.s. you're doing a pretty good job of derailing it yourself, as usual.)

"thanks, mom."

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:38 (twenty years ago) link

well as long as the thread's ruined, here goes: go fuck yourself, jess. Unless you'd rather lament other people telling you what to do while you tell other people what to do, that is.

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 20:39 (twenty years ago) link

btw i worry about the two buses in that picture. are they going to collide?

they're clearing not headed toward each other, and the one on the left isn't showing its brake lights, so I don't think you have to worry.

Wesley's eye for the Pynchonesque messages encoded in CTA timetables is what got me over the lump he left on my forehead. Whenever I'm gripped by the chill that accompanies seeing a bus pulled up on every side of a 4-way intersection, I think immediately of the man.

RIP.

brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:40 (twenty years ago) link

(stence, i don't know what your problem is these days ("these days" ha ha) - caught an std on tour, pissed off about that piddling tour diary bullshit - but GET OFF MY DICK, chumpy. it's just getting tedious now. ilm seriously needs many things, but not a den mother.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:42 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/oliphant/thoa048.jpg

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:48 (twenty years ago) link

(I didn't have the guts to say it, but there ya go.)

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

(whatever jess. If you or amateurist or anybody else can't hold off expressing vitriol in a thread that's about somebody dying, then clearly anything I write chiding y'all for it is going to be ineffective. That said, grow the fuck up and show some goddamn respect for once in your measly life while you still have life. The guy's dead - what any of us think about his music is irrelevant.)

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 20:50 (twenty years ago) link

thanks mom.

how many guys died today who didn't make music? why aren't we discussing them? on i love music?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

i mean, he didn't make wrought iron bedframes, but if he did, i think the value of his work would probably be important for him to get a mention or not on i love bedframes when he died.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:52 (twenty years ago) link

that's bullshit and you know it.

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 20:52 (twenty years ago) link

No way... he was on tour as little as like a year ago. Less.

David Allen, Friday, 22 August 2003 20:53 (twenty years ago) link

a possible counterargument: we wouldn't have heard of him w/o his making music, and indeed much of his notoriety (if not ALL of it) comes from his music being so divisive. (if you happen to have lived in chicago and haunted record stores or worked in the mental health industry in a certain period, i suppose you could have known willis in another way.) i think my comment was rather tame, and i found nice things to say about him after all. i wasn't sure where or if i fouled up in that regard.

x-posts galore

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:53 (twenty years ago) link

also what harm are we doing by speaking sincerely about our impressions of his music on this little obscure thread of a messgae board? certainly if a public figure like ronald reagan died tomorrow it wouldn't be seen as disrespectful to suggest that his politics were for the birds...?

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:55 (twenty years ago) link

stence how do you feel about idi amin?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:56 (twenty years ago) link

haha x-post

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:56 (twenty years ago) link

I dunno, jess, did Wesley Willis ever KILL ANYONE with his music?

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 20:57 (twenty years ago) link

actually on 20 seconds' reflection i guess the political analogies might confuse the situation. certainly wesley never did anyone any real harm, like amin or reagan. so i retract that.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:57 (twenty years ago) link

whoah. crosspost.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:57 (twenty years ago) link

am otm in his (second to) last point, obviously. none of us are going out and scrawling WESLEY WILLIS SUCKS OVER LONDON outside the funeral.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:58 (twenty years ago) link

(also, when i die, people are free to react however they want, including scrawling JESS SUXX HE R ALL DEAD in 50 foot letters outside my funeral. i fully expect it in fact.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:59 (twenty years ago) link


Wesley Willis R.I.P.

http://www.alternativetentacles.com/news.php?sd=U44fjr6Wacz8tU5CycQ#165

08/22/03: Rock Star Wesley Willis Dead at 40

Dear Friends and fellow Wesleynauts,
We are deeply saddened to report that one of our artists, Wesley Willis passed away yesterday, Thursday, August 21st. Wesley will be greatly missed by all that had the privilege to know him, as well as the fans who have been fortunate enough to experience his genius.

Wesley was diagnosed with Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia (CML) at the end of 2002, and had to undergo emergency surgery on June 2nd to identify the source of, and to suppress internal bleeding. It is not clear if this bleeding was related to his leukemia or not, and the exact cause of death is still unknown. Wesley had been recovering at a Hospice in Illinois, and since the surgery his health had deteriorated rapidly.

His songs were simultaneously disturbing, hilarious, blunt, and intoxicating. Wesley's sheer excitement and unaffected honesty about every cultural phenomenon, defined his music as truly individual, and truly punk rock.

Wesley released well over 50 albums - 3 of which are on Alternative Tentacles, and a 4th, entitled, Wesley Willis Greatest Hits Vol. 3 (CD) had already been scheduled for release in October of this year.

For more information on Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia, please visit http://leukemia-lymphoma.org .

Currently there are no plans for any funeral service but we will inform you if there will be.

-- Sam J. (xp75hid0...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:02 AM. (samjeff) (later) (link)

Answers

RIP

-- s1utsky (parrisactava...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:05 AM. (slutsky) (later) (link)

RIP

-- dleone (d_leon...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:06 AM. (dleone) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Ned Raggett (ne...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:07 AM. (Ned) (later) (link)

RIP

-- nickalicious (nza2342...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:09 AM. (nickalicious) (later) (link)

RIP

-- nickalicious (nza2342...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:12 AM. (nickalicious) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Dale the Titled (cpre...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:12 AM. (cprek) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Horace Mann (handsomishbo...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:12 AM. (Horace Mann) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Spinktor the Unmerciful (kentuckysharkwhiske...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:13 AM. (mawill5) (later) (link)


RIP

-- Spinktor the Unmerciful (kentuckysharkwhiske...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:15 AM. (mawill5) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Horace Mann (handsomishbo...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:17 AM. (Horace Mann) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Spinktor the Unmerciful (kentuckysharkwhiske...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:23 AM. (mawill5) (later) (link)

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:00 (twenty years ago) link

either wesley willis made art or he didn't. if he did, then in his death assessment of that body of work is not only inevitable but necessary. (okay, maybe not in his case. but people didn't lock all extant information on picasso in a vault when the old guy finally kicked, never to be unearthed again.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:01 (twenty years ago) link

assessment is fine, I just don't think its a good idea on a thread where people (myself included) are getting their first news about his death.

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 21:02 (twenty years ago) link

and yes, i guarantee that obits for celebrities and artists WITHIN DAYS OF THEIR DEATHS contain even minor, piddling examination of their work and its context.

(x-post.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:03 (twenty years ago) link

this thread isn't an obituary.

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 21:05 (twenty years ago) link

what concerns me is that the first few posts DID contain assessments of Wesley's work, only they were glowingly positive ones. is this simply a case where if you don't have anything nice to say...etc. i'd buy that if that's what you are actually saying.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:06 (twenty years ago) link

I'd understand umbrage if this had turned into a big Willis hate-fest, which would probably be inappropriate. But expressing regret and also adding that one didn't like his music, what's really the problem with that?

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:15 (twenty years ago) link

its just kinda insensitive to really rip on someone (even if it is just for their art) less than 24 hours after they died.but i guess people have the right to say it,but i would just give it some time if i had some really negative critical comments to say about the dude (which i pretty much dont)

juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

None of this matters, no point in arguments. The man is dead. Mourning time.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

Wesley was a good person. Wesley made some fun music. Wesley had psychological problems. The world was better with Wesley in it.

go fuck yourself, jess.

Seconded.

J (Jay), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:18 (twenty years ago) link

What a respectful post.

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:20 (twenty years ago) link

where in godsname has anyone expressed really critical opinions on wesley willis or his music on this thread?!

this is fucking madness.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:23 (twenty years ago) link

i think perhaps hstencil was trying to stave off critical opinions. the problem is that they had already been expressed, only on the positive tip.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

this is like attack of mentalist novelty rockers.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

no one is condemning your dead genius!

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, I'm more in agreement with jess and amt about whether critical opinions should be offered on this thread. I just think he's being a c*nt about it.

J (Jay), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

just let it go dude!

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:27 (twenty years ago) link

it's gone.

J (Jay), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:28 (twenty years ago) link

also i know wesley could be really nice but something about the "ah wesley floating in the sky, so sweet, so soft" (a perhaps-unfair exaggeration for effect) strikes me as condescending. just how my friend's down-syndrome son is taken to be super-sweet and friendly when he is being nice and beneficent and the minute he acts up or starts freaking out it's the syndrome acting through him. the mentally ill should not be supposed to be cut off from their anger.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:30 (twenty years ago) link

ok never mind that post i've instantly regretted making it.

sorry...

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:30 (twenty years ago) link

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: WESLEY WILLIS 1963-2003
A letter from one of his biggest fans, Jello Biafra:

We lost Wesley Willis some time before 9PM Chicago time August 21, 2003. Word is he died peacefully. The likely cause may be heart failure. Wes had been battling leukemia for less than a year.

No services are planned as of yet. There will probably be a memorial concert, or at least a gathering in his honor in Chicago in the near future. We will let you know.

Wesley will go down as one of the most unique songwriters and entertainment personalities in history. His music, lyrics, drawings, insight and the way he put them together are like no one else. Ever. There will never be another.

As I got to know Wes, what really struck me was his sheer will power, his unrelenting drive to succeed and over come his horrifically poor background, child abuse, racism, chronic schizophrenia and obesity among other things. He was the most courageous person I have ever known.

Yet through it all he had such a deep, all-encompassing love of life. Little things, big things. He loved bus rides. He loved watching trains. He loved writing songs about how much he loved his friends. He loved travelling to new towns so he could headbutt new friends. Is there any band he saw that escaped being in their own song about how much he loved their show? He was so warm, so sweet, so giving. He could be a handful when he came to visit; but as soon as he left, wed miss him immediately.

As his long time friend Dennis Cooper said, "No More Demons." The voices in Wesleys head cant yell at him and put him down any more.

Wes was deeply religious. He was afraid that if he died he would no longer get to go see bands play. If there is a hereafter I hope hes right up front as Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughn, his beloved Otis Redding and his dear friend Bradley from Sublime "storm the stage" as the crowd "roars like a sea monster."

All opening for Wesley, of course.

It will be hard now that hes gone, but Im not going to let myself stop enjoying the funny stuff, or the look on peoples faces when they first hear "Rock n Roll McDonalds," or the memories of the good times and Wesleys many adventures. He wouldnt want it any other way.

There are many down times when all I have to do is think of one of Wess songs, something he said or simply marvel at his Wesley-isms, and the clouds part and a smile comes to my face. I think he does that for a lot of people. He always will.

Rock over London
Rock on Chicago
Sail on, Wes. I love you.

Jello Biafra
8-22-03

chaki (chaki), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:36 (twenty years ago) link

Wesley is now head-butting God. Chicago is a colder town w/o him.

It pays to discover.

RIP.

nonthings (nonthings), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:39 (twenty years ago) link

Personally, I feel you should say what you feel about Wesley. This is a celebration of his life, only, not. And his art was a part of his life... like it or not. I don't find anything really offensive, unless the message includes any of these:

OTM
grebt
"something something in something, shockah!"
or "x-post"


Then I get offended.

David Allen, Friday, 22 August 2003 21:49 (twenty years ago) link

He is really nice in real life, it's just that the internet does this to us all.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

i was a magnet for insults for a brief moment, then it seemed to die away for reasons i still don't understand.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

He is really nice in real life, it's just that the internet does this to us all.

That's what someone said to me on Sunday who was friends with Blount in GA!

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

People underestimated you.

xp

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

strangely, i listened to heavy vegetable's "song for wesley" on my way out the door today.
RIP

-- gygax! (gygax0...), August 22nd, 2003 1:01 PM. (gygax!)

This is such a good song, even some Apples in Stereo and Moby fans might agree.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

have you purposely named two of my least -favorite acts of the last 10 years?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

racist.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

cave dwellers!

Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:50 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
god there's some really fucking stupid people here

discus, Saturday, 21 January 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

thinking 'baout wesley willis today, miss <3

buzza, Saturday, 20 November 2010 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Another post on this thread = more clusterf posts disappear into the "show all messages" bin.

Mark G, Saturday, 20 November 2010 09:34 (thirteen years ago) link

I WHUP BAMANS ASS

jumpskins, Saturday, 20 November 2010 09:43 (thirteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

Amazing thread.

James Ferraro Boyz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 16:26 (twelve years ago) link

Amazing thread.

James Ferraro Boyz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 16:26 (twelve years ago) link

KISS A WARTHOG'S FUNKY ASSHOLE

Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtgYvUpto4M

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link


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