Alice Coltrane - S/D

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Wait, it's all new Alice Coltrane material?!

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG syndrums!

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Just finished listening. It's all new Alice material except for some trads (American and Indian) and Crescent (the song).

The first half is okay...the syndrums aren't very noticeable, it's just sounds like tabla and those lower pitch-bendy Indian drums whose name I don't know. She does play some questionable synthesizer on a few songs, but the cool Wurlitzer playing on other songs makes up for it.

The second half picks up a lot. 'Leo' is like Interstellar Space except with Alice, Ravi, and deJohnette, sleigh bells and all. Crescent is really nice too, as are the two duets (Alice with Charlie Haden, whom I always love hearing, and Alice on organ with an Indian choir).

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i'd like to hear this – her duet with haden on his "closeness" lp is great too

jones (actual), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Can't wait for this.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

The Japanese version of Translinear Light also contains a bonus track - a cover of A Love Supreme Pt. 1

And, concurrent with its release, Huntington Ashram Monastery and Lord of Lords are both out on CD (in Japan, that is)

Dr Benway (dr benway), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 04:08 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
I just got Translinear Light and listened to it a couple times today. I think it's possibly the album of the year for me so far, al-out heavy and emotional. The first track actually sounds a bit like the Theatre of Eternal Music. I don't think I've heard organ playing like the playing on this album before, with all those pitch bends making it like guitar and sax solos. The saxes just cut through. I like the synth washes a lot myself.

The only thing I don't get is the need to end with a track of Sai bhajan chanting. I'd visit my parents' friends on weekends if I wanted to hear that. But, whatever, I guess it has meaning for her.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 29 November 2004 03:20 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
world galaxy is now my favorite by a good bit. the tape effects at the end of "my favorite things" are incredible. still have only heard PtED, JiS, UC, and WG (and actually a little bit of transcendence a few years ago) - i wanna hear LoL and AMT next.

impulse should try to get the rights to her entire back catalogue (or cut in the other labels a little)and put out a complete alice box. that would be a great release.

petesmith (plsmith), Monday, 5 December 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, "World Galaxy" is stunningly brilliant. Classic. "Galaxy in Turiya" is glorious.

Turangalila (Salvador), Monday, 5 December 2005 23:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Alice Coltrane is one of the few spouses that I can think of that has such a solid catalogue. But I stand by my declaration of Ptah as the BEST! (Though, in the interest of self-criticism, I'll be listening to the rest again now... Gorgeous, gorgeous jazz...)

js (honestengine), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link

so just to be clear, someone who really, really likes Journey in Satchidananda should get what next? Ptah? Monastic Trio?

Tyler Wilcox (tylerw), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Tyler Wilcox, definitely go for Ptah, The El Daoud. Mmm. "Blue Nile" is too lovely for words.

Turangalila (Salvador), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

(Incidentally, isn't the intro to Journey in Satchidananda one of the *best album intros evah*? Mmm. That awesome bassline.)

Turangalila (Salvador), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd say go with Ptah, but that's because, again, it's my favorite and I have trouble recommending, y'know, one of the other great albums if you don't already had that one.

js (honestengine), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, the thing about some of the other great albums (e.g., UC, WG) is they're aiming toward a different sound. If you like the 'Ptah' and 'Journey In Satchidananda' aspects of Alice it doesn't necessarily follow that you'll like her other stuff.

I personally *prefer* her more mystical, string-laden music. I think it's absolutely beautiful and unique. In fact, the only song I really like on Transcendence is "Prema"---and it's mostly due to the beautiful string arrangement.

"Lord of Lords" also has some great pieces, like her rendition of Stravinsky's "Firebird," and the beautiful, joyous "Going Home."

Turangalila (Salvador), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link

cool, thanks for the info. the only other AC CD i have is the most recent one, which strikes me as more of a grab-bag of various styles. i've heard a couple songs from the more string-laden releases and dig that too. but "journey" is really knocking my socks off currently. can't quite believe i hadn't heard it up until a few months ago! it's got a really amazing, sustained groove throughout that i don't think i've heard anywhere else. and the more eastern instrumentation mixed with that harp mixed with pharoah sander...wow!

Tyler Wilcox (tylerw), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Mmm. Have been revisiting her catalogue lately and I can't help but feel that Alice is immensely underrated. Listening to pieces like "Transcendence" just corroborates how *unique* her sound is.

Turangalila (Salvador), Monday, 26 December 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
listening to huntington ashram monastery at the moment, and i like it. dont seem to be a huge amount of mentions for this one, is it considered one of the 'lesser' ones?

terry lennox. (gareth), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 12:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I imagine it's because you can't get it on CD

Dadaismus PBUH (Dada), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 12:24 (eighteen years ago) link

... therefore hardly any of us have heard it!

Dadaismus PBUH (Dada), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 12:26 (eighteen years ago) link

It is available on CD, though, as a Japanese import. It was recently reissued. I'm sure you can find it cheaper somewhere else.

Turangalila (Salvador), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, but you'll be a dear and rip it for us, right?

js (honestengine), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Fine. Huntington Ashram Monastery. Enjoy.

Turangalila (Salvador), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone know if "Ptah..." has been reissued on vinyl ala "Journey in Satchidinanda"? I could have sworn I saw it in the record shops awhile back but now I can't find it anywhere?

I also would dearly love to find the cassette-only recordings. It seems that Ed Michel produced at least one of them.

The live album (Transfiguration?) is really, really good. Haynes & Workman are ideal sidemen for her. Anybody ever hear her album with Santana?

Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

from my first post of the thread: Illuminations - this is an album put out between Alice and Carlos Santana. it's from 74 and is pretty heavy fusion. good if you like fusion (i do).

she also arranged some songs on one of his albums "Welcome". it's pure white with the word Welcome embossed on the cover

team jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for that, Turangalila!

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

OOPS. Well, that's pretty much how I imagined it sounded. I think I've run my course with fusion for the time being. The next ones to get on the list are her album with Joe Henderson and "Lord of Lords".

I hope she cuts another album in considerably shorter time than the gap between her last 2. Harp would be nice for the next one.

I'd also like to see the quadrophonic stuff reissued on multichannel SACD.

Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, looking at the liners to Welcome closer, Leon Thomas sings (or whistles) on a majority of the tracks. and Flora Purim sings on one track. i can't believe i've never really listened to this.

team jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Is there a way to open that zip file on a Mac?

Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link

if you're on OSX, click on the file, do apple+i (get info) and say open with Stuffit Expander instead of BOMArchiveHelper.

team jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 02:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks so much Turangalila and jaxon. It sounds great so far.

Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Is the sound supposed to be slightly distorted?

Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 03:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, seems like the masters for both Lord of Lords and HAM sound awkwardly distorted.

Turangalila (Salvador), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 03:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks Turangalila!

js (honestengine), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 06:45 (eighteen years ago) link

js, you guys have Huntington at the station ...

Thanks for the Alice recommendations; I'd been avoiding her for some reason. She's critically underrated.

Brakhage (brakhage), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

js just told me about the Huntington Ashram rip--and the dl limit has already been reached. Damn! Could some fine person repost through ysi? Pretty please? I loves me some Alice Coltrane, especially some I haven't heard in years. I've got the rest--other than the brand new one--on vinyl and/or cd. The HAM is the missing link for me. Pretty pretty please?

J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Friday, 10 February 2006 04:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Huntington Ashram Monastery

Turangalila (Salvador), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Brakhage! How you doin'? How's the West Coast? Have you thrown your lot in with Death Row yet, or are you still reppin' Bad Boy?

js (honestengine), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Aieeeee! Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /download/(etc. etc.)

Why me, lord?

J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

use rapidshare.de, yo

team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Huntington Ashram Monastery (Rapidshare.de)

Turangalila (Salvador), Friday, 10 February 2006 23:52 (eighteen years ago) link

you're a good man, charlie brown

team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 10 February 2006 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

thank you thank you thank you. rapidshare seems to be working (yo).

J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Saturday, 11 February 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for the YSI.

Harpal (harpal), Saturday, 11 February 2006 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I just wanted to add my thanks for sharing that album. Very generous.

Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll add my thanks, too. I just finally listened to HAM this morning. Four times. It's amazing. The rhythm section really just kills. I need to get Monastic Trio.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
There's a rumor (AAJ) that Alice Coltrane has passed away.

R_S (RSLaRue), Sunday, 14 January 2007 02:25 (seventeen years ago) link

What the FUCK?!?!?!?!

Turangalila (Salvador), Sunday, 14 January 2007 02:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Please someone clarify this now.

Turangalila (Salvador), Sunday, 14 January 2007 02:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Nooooooooo. I really really really don't want this to be true.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 14 January 2007 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I feel like in this interview she articulates the disinterest the jazz industry has in her music.

'Journey in Satchidananda' was a game changing record for me. It was HUGE in Glasgow in the late 90s / early 2000s.

The owner of Glasgow's FOPP Records chain, Gordon (who was Terry Hall's brother in law) was a massive and lifelong Jazz fan. He realised in the mid to late 90s that many seminal Jazz labels had stopped doing vinyl releases and couldn't imagine ever doing any again (how wrong that turned out to be!). As a result they were happy to give him the vinyl license to many classic releases for a very low fee. Thus he licensed hundreds of titles and pressed up copies that were only available in the FOPP chain. He put these albums on sale at £5 which was very, very cheap even then.

This is pretty much how I got into Jazz as at £5 one couldn't really go wrong and I discovered a ton of incredible albums. Lots and lots of Glaswegians took advantage of this wild deal and as a result a LOT of people started listening to a lot of amazing Jazz records for the first time in their lives. The breakout hit by far was Alice Coltrane's 'Journey in Satchidananda' album. I believe FOPP shifted well over a thousand copies of it in the city. It was ubiquitous and I'd seem to see it at everyone's house I ever visited. I remember going into my local newsagent one Sunday morning and he was playing (a tape of) it. My newsagent was no hipster, Jazz aficionado or even a big music fan but this record had become such a cult Glasgow album that somehow this didn't seem strange at that time.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 16:47 (four weeks ago) link

that's so awesome.

i found my copy for $20 in a williamsburg junk store around 2013. it seemed to me like an *insane* amount of money to pay for a used record at the time

budo jeru, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 16:51 (four weeks ago) link

I love that story - that even in the late-90s you could still have a regional cult record seems quaint in the streaming era.

xp

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 16:53 (four weeks ago) link

I had the 180g reissue of Journey for forever, prob since early 2000s. Recently ponied up $100 for a sweet friends deal on a 1972 pressing, no regrets.

My gateway was this cool comp, scored for like $15-20 in the late 90s:

https://www.discogs.com/release/23813663-Alice-Coltrane-Reflection-On-Creation-And-Space-A-Five-Year-View

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 16:53 (four weeks ago) link

love that comp -- great cover art

budo jeru, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:02 (four weeks ago) link

I listen to jazz records but have had no contact with jazz fandom etc. so a bit surprised at the gatekeeping bullshit detailed above. I would have thought Alice was jazz royalty.
I got into buying random jazz records from a stall in Leicester market in the 90s, which would usually be £5-10. One that I picked up early on was Karma by Pharaoh Sanders, and I immediately knew this was the stuff for me. The orange Impulse spines then became a mark of quality and I'd buy any that the stall got in - the Alice ones in particular became huge favourites.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:03 (four weeks ago) link

Picked my vinyl copy up from FOPP in London a decade or so ago for £10! But got the Impulse digipak back in the day for £££s, no regrets.

Oh man that 5 Year View comp is (one of) my white whales

When Impulse was doing those digi-pak cd reissues in the 90s a few of them they pressed on extremely nice heavyweight lps, with gatefold covers and bumper stickers inside, (I proudly drove a white Toyota Camry with a "The New Wave of Jazz is on Impulse!" sticker for long time), I don't recall amy AC but I have a few very nice Sanders and JC lps

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:51 (four weeks ago) link

Early in the pandemic, I had older friends give me about 200-250 records that had been in their garage for 30 years. Among a ton of other stuff, it included OG copies of Journey and Ptah as well as Pharoah Sanders, Thembi, none of which I had heard. Needless to say, my mind was blown.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 18:33 (four weeks ago) link

Sanders' Thembi

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 18:33 (four weeks ago) link

Woah!

Thembi absolutely rules and that is a hell of a steal! As I get older, Alice's devotional music moves me the most. It's crazy that it remained obscure for so long.

Need to get on and listen to this new one.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 19:03 (four weeks ago) link

^ same

budo jeru, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 02:20 (four weeks ago) link

or, more accurately, buy this disc(s) (liner notes by EM being, i think, what's pushed me over)

budo jeru, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 02:21 (four weeks ago) link

love stirmonsters story, thats so amazing

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 27 March 2024 13:20 (four weeks ago) link


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