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A remaster's not a bad idea. I love this album, most of the times it's my favorite Faust. The bonus disc contains some tracks (1-3) that are also available on BBC Sessions + and Piano Piece/Das Meer is from 71 minutes I guess. Still a very nice package though!

willem -- (willem), Sunday, 19 March 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

badly needs a remaster, the original CD has the track placements all wrong, and there's a glitch on 'jennifer' right after the cymbal crash that leads to the tack piano outro, sounds like the tape splice catching as it passes over the capstan. engineer must have left the room while doing the tape transfer.

the track listing on faustpages is incorrect as well -- looks like the new remaster got it right though

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 19 March 2006 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
anyone heard this yet? still waiting on mine

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 1 May 2006 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

just got this, and sounds great

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 1 May 2006 23:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Faust, the wumme years box, I got cheaply (see past threads), and have played it all a few times.

The only track I'm not fussed about is the third (longest) one off the first album.

All the rest, and indeed "IV" is all classic. I don't know why.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 08:26 (seventeen years ago) link

The only track I'm not fussed about is the third (longest) one off the first album.

What that one where they're all round the pianner having a good old Teutonic singalong (Knees Up, Mutter Braun) and "Garlic, yes/ White/ Yes white" etc etc?

You'll Never Put a Better Bit of Butter On Your Knife (Dada), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 08:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Miss Fortune, apparently.

"Why don't you eat carrots" still my favourite. Like a manic circus parade ploughing through some couple's bedroom, at one point.

Woman: "Have they gone?"
Man: "I Think so"
"ting....."

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 08:45 (seventeen years ago) link

1st album has great riffs interspersed with found silliness, definitely prefigures & anticipates the Residents. 2nd is weak VU inspired junk. 3rd is undeveloped fragments. "Faust IV" is pretty good prog-rock/krautrock mixture. "70 Minutes" CD has the heaviest stuff, quite great, anticipates Throbbing Gristle and Industrial.

Hidden Fire, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Wumme Years stuff and 4 are unqualified classics.

-- John Bullabaugh (Liphedd...), March 9th, 2003 1:34 PM.

Yes, also: Patchwork, which is like a Faust mixtape made by crazies and Derbe Respect, Alder (with Dalek) are fucking grand.

S- (sgh), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 02:12 (seventeen years ago) link

"Faust IV" is pretty good prog-rock/krautrock mixture.

That album is overrated, IMHO. They skitzophrenically switch genres with each song to the point that the album really loses something. The first song is a pretty nice krauty instrumental jam. Nothing amazing, but nice. I can't remember the exact track order, but at the beginning of the CD there's also the dub, ambient rock song, which is pretty nice. But then there's that one that sounds something like an Irish jig. What the hell is with that? It's so out of place. I think the album is lacking a cohesive flow to the whole thing.

like murderinging (modestmickey), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:35 (seventeen years ago) link

'the sad skinhead' = mega classic.

lil' merzbow wow (haitch), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:43 (seventeen years ago) link

the sad skinhead is awesome. that's not the jig I'm thinking of.

like murderinging (modestmickey), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:47 (seventeen years ago) link

"I don't know why."

That is why.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 10:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I think so.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 10:56 (seventeen years ago) link

2nd is weak VU inspired junk

Totally ridiculous. While Rainy Day Sunshine Girl is a very VU type thing, it is it's own beast and a magnificent one at that, and also classic for I've Got My Car and My TV/Picnic On a Frozen River.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

The title track is gorgeous, too.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
got the 2 CD reissue of faust IV

remaster sounds good, they fixed the tracking and the tape splice glitch on 'jennifer', and they restored the original beautiful cover art with the smaller sheet music & typeface

most of the alternative versions are earlier mixes of album tracks... same performance, but rougher eq balance & in some cases one less layer of sound. 'sad skinhead' has an extra verse and 'piano piece' (aka 'meer' from 71 minutes) is about three minutes longer. nothing earthshaking.

the real attraction is the complete 10 minute version of 'just a minute', which is faded down about 90 seconds in on the original album. it's cool, basically just jamming and then the tape machine got turned on, but... it's them all right, you could tell it was them from the next room. beautiful part in the middle where everything breaks down just to the drums and that incredibly corroded, echoey wash of organ ambience that was distinctively theirs, fans know what I'm talking about.

(I'm guessing this is more of the 'laufzeitmachine', a delay that graupner built them using several tape heads & a tape loop threaded around a turntable, which could then be 'played' to change the tape speed as it fed back. we still need a longer interview with graupner about the gear he built them)

so, good to have the new jam, but the main thing is they've finally done the mastering and track id's right.

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 4 June 2006 06:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, they did fix the tape glitch, but you neglected to mention that they also no-noised this album to death. This remaster does not sound "good". Rather, it sounds like every no-noised CD. You can put a pillow over your speakers and get a similar effect. Do an ABX with the original Faust IV CD and you'll see what I mean.

Hot Hot Heat (Hot Hot Heat), Sunday, 4 June 2006 13:35 (seventeen years ago) link

the extras don't sound like enough for me to re-buy this. also, tape glitch on a faust record seems like hardly something to worry to about

Q('.'Q) (eman), Sunday, 4 June 2006 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Believe me, the old CD is sonically superior to this "remastered" atrocity. Don't waste your money. The good stuff on the bonus disc is already on the ReR BBC CD anyway. I wish I hadn't spent the money on this thing.

Hot Hot Heat (Hot Hot Heat), Sunday, 4 June 2006 18:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I have the old cd.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Sunday, 4 June 2006 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link

The good stuff on the bonus disc is already on the ReR BBC CD anyway.

yeah screw that, what a waste

Q('.'Q) (eman), Sunday, 4 June 2006 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

the tape glitch always bugged me. that cymbal crash should be smooth, but it's just the way I grew up with the record.

orgone girl's right though, I hadn't a/b'ed them yet. they overdid it on the noise reduction. though there is a lot of tape hiss on the original record & CD, the nonoise deadened the high end a bit. having checked out both a little bit I think I prefer the sound of the original disc. that stings.

the ReR BBC Sessions disc is definitely better overall than the 2nd disc on this new thing, so people who don't have this yet could just grab a used copy of the original version of the CD, and a copy of BBC Sessions. that being said, I am ten steps past fanatical when it comes to this band, I'm keeping both editions.

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 5 June 2006 04:30 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
I'll take the original V 2004 LP, thanks.

So Ho La (So Ho La), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 01:47 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...
Has anyone got In Autumn or Nobody Knows It It Ever Happened yet?

Any good?

Stewart Osborne, Friday, 30 March 2007 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I really like Ravvivando

admrl, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

all the releases up to and including IV are classic. i favour the noisier / cutup things more and so the 1st album and Tapes are my favourites. in fact, they get a bit dud when they do straight songs even if there's always a wry smile in them.

i'm with ya homey. I'm only into Faust for their Residents-esque stuff. Everything else got boring over time.

theoreo, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

So Faust are playing Hull on June 10th but I've promised a friend I'd babysit. Please tell me I'm not missing much re: their current incarnation.

Noodle Vague, Friday, 1 June 2007 18:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Aren't there 2 versions kicking about now?

Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 1 June 2007 19:31 (sixteen years ago) link

What do Faust "play" when they play live? Is it guitar, drum and bass set up? I couldn't imagine how they would play the majority of their songs like that. Unless they became a more normal band type thing nowadays and used to be something more wild.

filthy dylan, Friday, 1 June 2007 19:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Faust IV was always my favorite, but Faust v. Dalek is pretty compelling too.My "review," or response, was in theVoice, and I also try to describe a new version of "Beware (The Transatlantic Feedback," with Gary Burger, in my take on Silver Monk Chant: A Tribute To The Monks, which will be out in the States later this month, and so will the review, again in Voice. Irmler saw them on The Beat Club in '66, revelatory for teeenaged him, as he describes it in the documentary, Monks--The Transatlantic Feedback. (Although wathching that same appearance on You Tube, and their studio stuff,I can't agree that "they had no Afro-American or Caribbean influence," but maybe he just means how he heard them at the time.)

dow, Monday, 4 June 2007 05:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Jean Herve Peron had a track from their new album available on his website and it's fantastic. Steve Stapleton has a big part to play in the whole thing and it's exactly what they need to make their music come alive again. Live - they play guitar bass drums and machinery - all a bit silly.

nonightsweats, Monday, 4 June 2007 06:50 (sixteen years ago) link

It seems to be really popular among fans, but I've never liked "Why Don't You Eat Carrots?" There's cool stuff in it, but that recurring riff drives me up the wall. That may be the intended effect.

clotpoll, Monday, 4 June 2007 08:27 (sixteen years ago) link

I missed the London gig, my own fault, anyone go? I prefer Faust when Jean-Herve is in them, but I'm not sure about a Faust where he is the prime mover.

Tom D., Monday, 4 June 2007 09:54 (sixteen years ago) link

I went to see Tony Conrad. Does that count?

PJ Miller, Monday, 4 June 2007 11:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh man, was he playing too??!?!?

Tom D., Monday, 4 June 2007 11:10 (sixteen years ago) link

I went to the Tony Conrad show. He was dressed just like Anderson from Beavis and Butthead.

Didn't realise Faust played. They was great last time they played London! Jean-Herve did some ironing.

gnarly sceptre, Monday, 4 June 2007 11:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Tony Conrad played in St Giles in the Field church, Dadaismus. Right opposite the nu-Intrepid Fox. I only found out about it the day before, and then by accident, because a friend was going to see the Finnish support band.

I'm not sure how good it was. I must admit he'd lost me by the end. And I was trying ever so hard. I'm glad I went though.

Did you like it, Gnarly Sceptre?

PJ Miller, Monday, 4 June 2007 12:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Sorry, the Monks trib, with the Faust featuring Gary Buger track,is Silver Monk Time, not Silver Monk Chant. Speaking of their concerts, I once read in an English mag about their early (first?)LP, that was so very inexpensive that a lot of schoolkids bought it, and one who was maybe 11 at the time remembered then going to one of their shows, as did a lot of her classmates, and the set started with roadwork machinery or something, and all the kiddies booed and hooted through the whole gig, the ones who stayed that long.

dow, Monday, 4 June 2007 19:27 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost: I thought Tony Conrad's second track was over an hour. I'm sure I'm as happy with drone stuff as much as the rest of that audience, but I think he coulda cut it down by about 20 minutes or so and everybody would have been satisfied. But then whenever it did seem feel like it was *finally* about to draw to a close, suddenly he'd pull out some fat static and turn it up to level 11 again, and I was happy to see it though. I thought Richard Youngs accapella worked real well too, particularly given the surroundings. Shame nobody could sustain his request to imitate a massed eBow.

gnarly sceptre, Monday, 4 June 2007 19:33 (sixteen years ago) link

I e-bowed along quite merrily.

20 minutes shorter would have been better, yes.

PJ Miller, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 16:59 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

I'm listening to 71 Minutes for the first time right now, and I'm "Knockhentanz" is as good as anything else they've done.

I'm filling in at a friend's record store today, and people keep walking in during songs like "Don't Take Roots" (a meandering 5 minutes of moaning and feedback) and rolling their eyes at me, buy Icky Thump and Funeral, and then on the way out the door I can hear them say "God!" to their girlfriends. Then, as soon as the customer leaves and the store's empty again, the feedback dissolves and it's back to Faust-style accessibility.

I'm enjoying this more than Faust/So Far/IV/etc right now.

Z S, Sunday, 8 July 2007 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

new faust is pretty good!

eman, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 00:55 (fifteen years ago) link

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eman, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 00:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Which Faust line-up is it?

Boring Sign In Name (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 01:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Hamburg-based Krautrock outfit Faust has returned from a creative kosmische aether, bringing with them a new studio album C’est com…com…compliqué due out April 13 on the Bureau B label. According to group member Jean-Hervé Peron's website www.art-errorist.de, the album was recorded in Hamburg during 2006 by producer Tobias Levin, and joining original members Peron and Werner “Zappi” Diermaier was Amaury Cambuzat of French post-rock group Ulan Bator (who first toured with Faust in 1996 as Collectif Metz/Faust, a project which also produced an eponymous album).

eman, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 16:20 (fifteen years ago) link

I watched the ending about four times

Milton Parker, Friday, 13 February 2009 20:01 (fifteen years ago) link

urgent request for .gif loop of 4:56 - 5:05

Milton Parker, Friday, 13 February 2009 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link

:D

eman, Friday, 13 February 2009 23:59 (fifteen years ago) link

lol I didn't even know about the deluxe IV! Guess who's going to be shopping online in a few seconds (possibly to find out I'm SOL)?

System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Saturday, 14 February 2009 02:46 (fifteen years ago) link

New album

https://faust-berlin.bandcamp.com/album/daumenbruch

Seems to be another new lineup? Anyway, great cover and clicking around these tunes seem pretty chaotic

frogbs, Saturday, 22 January 2022 01:41 (two years ago) link

Really enjoying this release

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 22 January 2022 02:58 (two years ago) link

where tf is that box set repress, YSI?

bad milk blood robot (sleeve), Saturday, 22 January 2022 03:35 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

wonder if any of this is gonna be released separately. would be cool to be able to get Punkt as a standalone and So Far is desperately in need of a repress.

― frogbs, Monday, October 18, 2021 4:42 PM (six months ago) bookmarkflaglink

what do you know

https://www.forcedexposure.com/Catalog/faust-punkt-lp/BB.392LP.html

frogbs, Monday, 18 April 2022 14:38 (two years ago) link

👍🏽

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 18 April 2022 15:56 (two years ago) link

And indeed

https://faust.bandcamp.com/album/punkt

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 15:24 (one year ago) link

Still not on Spotify, but.

(The Faust Tapes is, with the new titles...)

Mark G, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 16:05 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

picked up the standalone LP of Punkt and really liking it. I was a bit too dismissive at first. "Morning Land" is similar to the first track on 71 Minutes but the version of "Knochentanz" sure isn't...it's got a polka rhythm which suddenly switches into a shuffle. super cool. the way the drums kick in is very much like "Krautrock". "Fernlicht", I swear, sounds like it could fit on the next Autechre album (if it were 8x longer). the direction they went in after they reformed makes a lot more sense now. "Schon Rund" has some of the prettiest gosh darn music in their whole catalogue. really makes good on the promise of those little piano pieces they sometimes did. the entire record sounds weirdly modern too - I'd believe it was something on Ipecac in 2005. dare I say it would be a pretty high profile album if it was actually released in '75 (maybe it wouldn't have been at the time, but it would totally have a following now)

frogbs, Sunday, 18 September 2022 02:05 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

New live album, This Is The Right Path, recorded in China in 2016.

https://oldheavenbooks.bandcamp.com/album/this-is-the-right-path

“Dec. 2015: I received an invitation from Old Heaven to participate with FaUSt to the 3rd edition of “Tomorrow Festival” at B10 Live, Shenzhen, China!
A few months later, May 2016, we were on our way to the most exciting concert experience. A loooong flight-haul and then, such a warm welcome, such a perfect organization… the most charming, dedicated, competent crew around us… the largest cement mixer I ever used on stage, and an audience so vibrant, so focused.
I was and still am in memory, overwhelmed by the endless energy of all the people I met: technicians, promoters, music fans, the so-creative Knitting Ladies, my old-time friend Keiji Haino, and my comrade Maxime.
The music we created together had been accurately recorded. As Old Heaven proposed to release this concert, I immediately was enthused by the idea. Even more so when I heard the perfect mix of Liu Ying. Two tracks were beautifully post-produced, edited and mixed by Amaury Cambuzat.
I loved the B10 Live performance and place it in my top ten FaUSt concerts ever and I love this album, I do.”

—— JHP / art-Errorist

Jean-Hervé Péron: Vocals / Bass / Acoustic Guitars / Trumpet / Cement Mixer
Werner “Zappi” Diermaier: Drums

Very Special Guests:
Maxime Manac’h: Keyboards / Guitar/ Gas Cylinder / Hurdy-Gurdy
Keiji Haino: Vocals / Electric Guitars / Electronics
Wei Zi, Tina, Li Tingting: Knitting Performance

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 21 December 2022 14:21 (one year ago) link

whoa...didn't know they did a show with Keiji Haino. makes sense though

heard the two Momentaufnahme discs from the 1971-1974 set are getting a separate vinyl release. hopefully they just do the whole box. would be nice to have a copy of So Far that is NOT the 4 Men With Beards version

frogbs, Wednesday, 21 December 2022 15:33 (one year ago) link

I have a bunch of Polydor/Virgin origs, will be nice to finish up with the box extras.

Mark G, Friday, 23 December 2022 10:38 (one year ago) link

That live set looks great and went to order it, but balked at paying $30 shipping for a $28 CD. Nope.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 23 December 2022 15:09 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

So the unreleased stuff on the boxset from two years back is available separately now:

https://faust.bandcamp.com/album/momentaufnahme-i

https://faust.bandcamp.com/album/momentaufnahme-ii

Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 March 2023 15:39 (one year ago) link

Or at least the Momentaufnahme work.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 March 2023 15:40 (one year ago) link

Faust and Faust So Far are on streaming now too. Not sure if that just happened today or was the case for a while... but last year when I checked they weren't there.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 10 March 2023 20:24 (one year ago) link

The "punkt." also.

Mark G, Saturday, 11 March 2023 14:40 (one year ago) link


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