You might get along better with Graham Holderness on the histories, if you don't already know his work.
For all their qualities, the Henry plays are dispiriting.
― the pinefox, Monday, 21 April 2003 11:03 (twenty years ago) link
The Bush/Hal parallels are eerily obvious:
"Be it thy course to busy giddy minds with foreign quarrels, that action, hence borne out, may waste the memory of the former days."
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 21 April 2003 11:21 (twenty years ago) link
Or perhaps I mean: how can we reconcile Shakespeare's 'support for war' in HV with those lines at the end of HIV2?
They really are the Smoking Gun; or perhaps the Discharg'd Pistol.
Other major issues:
1) does HIV as a whole seem to legitimate the Henries as Kings? If it wants to do so, why insist so often on their illegitimacy, as usurpers? (Empson said that usurpation was the secret theme of the Henriad.)
2) How facile is it that HIV tells HV: "I was never seen as legitimate, cos I was a usurper; but you'll inherit from me, so you'll be seen as legitimate"? (This is what gets me thinking of Bush: not the father-son succession, but the way Bush will find later ratifications of his initially bogus legitimacy.)
3) How about the trickery and treachery of the royal forces in HIV2, Act IV? Unbelievable! The King's party is Machiavellian through and through.
4) Note the utter callousness, with a strong class edge, of Hal in HIV1. Not so much the famous soliloquy in which he dissociates himself from Falstaff et al (bad enough), but the dreadful scene in which he 'humiliates' the Drawer Francis ('Anon, anon!'), then has the cheek to mock Francis's lack of verbal range! It is insupportable to read of this character being endorsed as 'mirror of English kings', 'ideal form of the monarch' (see the astoundingly bad finale to Maynard Mack's intro to Signet HIV1).
― the pinefox, Monday, 21 April 2003 11:35 (twenty years ago) link
Although Henry V is commonly portrayed as a hero-king (see Olivier's film) I don't think many people in any audience feel that way by the end of HIV Part 2.
What do you make of the epilogue to that play? It seems baffling to me: I can't think of another play Shakespeare felt the need to apologize to the audience for. It also seems odd that he promises to bring Falstaff back in the next play, and doesn't (not that he could have had any place in it, without ruining the patriotic bombast).
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 21 April 2003 12:06 (twenty years ago) link
Very strange. Empson again (Kenyon Review, Spring 1953): Falstaff's 'food for powder' speech says to HIV: "that is all you Norman lords want, in your squabbles between cousins over your loot, which you make an excuse to murder the English people".
― the pinefox, Monday, 21 April 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link
C.L. Barber, Shakespeare's Festive Comedy (1959) on folk tradition and carnival (and cf also Bakhtin, Rabelais And His World)
Robert Ornstein, A Kingdom For A Stage (1972), on history and Shakespeare's aesthetic play with it in the histories
Derek Cohen, Shakespearean Motives (1988), on rituals of violence
Graham Holderness, Shakespeare's History (1985), on politics of Shakespeare's epic drama
― the pinefox, Monday, 21 April 2003 20:46 (twenty years ago) link
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:42 (twenty years ago) link
question for debate: who was the Hal/Henry V of Orwell's day?
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 21:33 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 21:34 (twenty years ago) link
― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 21:43 (twenty years ago) link
― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 21:55 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 21:56 (twenty years ago) link
one day I will change this.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 21:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 21:58 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 21:59 (twenty years ago) link
did Edward Bond do Early Morning, the one about Queen Victoria having an affair with Florence Nightingale, and her heir being half of a pair of siamese twins?
― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 22:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Dada, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 22:25 (twenty years ago) link
Surely, in its way, Angels In America fits this criterion.
― Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 23:04 (twenty years ago) link
just watching this again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xHlngY6Bgk
as a result of reading this http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/apr/03/ian-mckellen-10-best-shakespeare-roles-on-film?CMP=fb_gu
proper chills.
― piscesx, Sunday, 3 April 2016 17:29 (eight years ago) link
http://www.shakespeare-online.com/faq/misquotesfaq.html
― Psmith, Pharmacist (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 February 2018 20:54 (six years ago) link
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08b2cgm
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