― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 September 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Symplistic (shmuel), Monday, 27 September 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link
Well, a charcter has had a labial trim, so the film shows closeups of that and other disgusting surgical procedures at random points throughout the film. Don't repeat my mistake and buy popcorn.
As far as pointlessly shocking movies go (gummo, ken park, i spit on your grave) this movie has strong characters and acting, and a good sense of plot. You can still tell it's a Moodysson film, though a Moodysson gone mad and trying to make a snuff film.
Moodysson really relies on those abused teenagers too much. It's a cheap way of elicting emotion from the viewer. Even his snuff filoms are sentimental. But it's still not a bad movie (and it's way better than requiem for a dream).
― Symplistic (shmuel), Monday, 27 September 2004 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 September 2004 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Symplistic (shmuel), Monday, 27 September 2004 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Monday, 27 September 2004 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link
i wouldn't characterize lilya 4ever as misanthropic.... just a bit opportunistic in its mix of moralism and exploitation (see also david lynch, cecil b de mille)
p.s. holy shit i am NOT seeing this film. i can't handle live surgery
― amateur!!st, Monday, 27 September 2004 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link
Me too. But A Hole in my Heart is too sentimental if anything, not too misanthropic. But as Amst says, you need a strong stomach to sit through it.
― Symplistic (shmuel), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link
do they also have crankysons in sweden?
― amateur!!st, Monday, 27 September 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!st, Monday, 27 September 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Symplistic (shmuel), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link
Now, from what I hear, the surgery scene pales in comparison to the guy-actually-vomiting-in-a-woman's-mouth scene... (I'm sorry I had to type that, but I am just reporting what I have heard)...
― Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Monday, 27 September 2004 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tag (Tag), Monday, 27 September 2004 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Symplistic (shmuel), Monday, 27 September 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 October 2004 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 October 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 4 October 2004 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 October 2004 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 October 2004 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link
sure is good crack, though.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.cinemaniacs.be/images/lilya.jpg http://www.vujer.com/material/filmer/lilja_4ever.jpg
― Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link
I know, it's weird. Maybe they just shuddered at the thought of English speakers pronouncing the J as hard.
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Richard C (avoid80), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 04:31 (nineteen years ago) link
bbc4 announcers have been pronouncing it 'Moddy-son' rather than 'Moody-son' which kinda spoils things. i'll ask our swedish PA if she's not off ill again.
― koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 07:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 11:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link
I see your point, but it wasn't their story. Some films present a narrative from numerous perspectives, some just focus on one character's subjective experience, and "Lilja 4-Ever" chose the latter path.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link
I wasn't being sarcastic!
― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link
The feminism's loud and clear. I don't know how Brody thought there was no conflict, just because it was handled lightly. I've read his review again and I can't imagine how anyone could get that angry about this movie. This bit is hilariously tone-deaf and ignorant about the history of punk.
"for that matter, their punkishness isn’t even an attitude, it’s a minor and bloodless style statement, a matter of distinctive but unexceptionable haircuts and garments alone, without piercings or tattoos, without inclinations to violence and without anarchic rejection of convention and order."
― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Friday, 9 January 2015 17:52 (nine years ago) link
i think the movie is incredibly aware of how punk can be both "a bloodless style statement" and more meaningful, and this is indeed one of its themes.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 9 January 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
B-but no piercings or tattoos!
― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Friday, 9 January 2015 17:58 (nine years ago) link
i mean the girls exhibit anxiety about exactly that issue!
the movie does kind of mock the way that some punk degenerated into overfamiliar psuedo-political posturing (the way that the boys in that other band sing songs about a soviet leader who'd been dead for several years), but it's also sensitive to the way that the girls' rebellion has real meaning in the context of their lives, helping them to build a strong sense of self-worth and identity. which has a political dimension.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 9 January 2015 18:01 (nine years ago) link
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it's funny that the older brother is into joy division as if the age and consequent intellectual difference between him and his sister is somehow isomorphic to the different between punk and post-punk
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 9 January 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link
otm. Their rebellion is small but it's huge and vital to them and that's where a lot of the comedy comes in as well - that adolescent problem of perspective. And of course the fact that they're born too late for punk's insurrectionary years.
― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Friday, 9 January 2015 18:05 (nine years ago) link
I love this film. One of the best films I saw all year. What I love best is how much of it is about the process of actually forming a band and finding ways to overcome the things that stop you achieving your visionit really benefited, imo from being a 'nice' film with little real peril or conflict.
― this is just a saginaw (dog latin), Friday, 9 January 2015 18:21 (nine years ago) link
Brody in a nutshell: passionate, unpredictable celebration of films he loved last year let down by boring, posturing dismissal of 10 critics' favourites just to show how different he is. http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/best-movies-2014
― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Friday, 9 January 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link
the film seemed to end at what would be the mid-point of where other films on a similar subject. that is, it ended on a note of what might seem like a mixed success at best--a kind of anti-triumph rather than a real "success." but i think that was in keeping with the themes of the film. even if i wanted it to go on another 30 minutes!
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 9 January 2015 19:27 (nine years ago) link
sorry for bad typos.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 9 January 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link
i won't read that; reading brody seems about as useful (and good for my blood pressure) as reading armond white at this point.
i keep thinking that if i ever met brody i'd have to fight the urge to pull on his beard. i wonder if after he sees a movie it's filled with popcorn and spittle.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 9 January 2015 19:36 (nine years ago) link
Woah..
***NEW TITLE ANNOUNCEMENT***Coming to Blu-ray in January from Arrow Video The Lukas Moodysson Collection•FUCKING ÅMÅL-2K resto •TOGETHER-4K restoLILYA 4-EVER•A HOLE IN MY HEART / CONTAINER•MAMMOTH•WE ARE THE BEST!#FilmTwitter #Bluray #ArrowVideo #Cinema #Film pic.twitter.com/4SjXNlU1Ut— Dawn of The Discs (@dawnofthediscs) October 27, 2022
― piscesx, Friday, 28 October 2022 15:53 (one year ago) link
wow there is a sequel to Together set in 1999, playing at TIFF: https://tiff.net/events/together-99I haven't kept up with Moodysson, but I loved the original Together
― jaymc, Saturday, 9 September 2023 14:33 (eight months ago) link
Yeah it was good
― The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 September 2023 14:39 (eight months ago) link