well now fluxblog has weighed in
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
at how much?
― Carrie Antwoord (jaymc), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
i totally share your basic philosophy here, to be clear, i'm just going hard on you because, y'know, that's what they call me, ol' "ship1ey gohard."
i think you are kind of throwing things on different sides of the fence whenever it suits you, though. one day kitty pryde is owl city and we should just let her be popular without talking about her, the next she's just a niche internerd thing. one day kitty pryde's problem is she appeals to people who don't really like rap, the next day kreayshawn's virtue is that she appeals to people who like pop.
― some dude, Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:35 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well, isnt fundamentally this whats weird about the press around it is that its like jumping on an owl city for being excellent when in pt of fact owl city is lame & critically ignored, which i am fine with, but in this case theres this veneer of confusing respectability
kreayshawn's virtue is that she appeals to people who like pop & people who like rap, shes a pop-rap artist, kitty pryde is neither of those things
― man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
(but even if kitty pryde were popular, which is still possible, its not worth discussing anyway)
nb all i'm asking for is critical discourse that ignores her, i recognize this isn't actually a tenable position when there ppl out there writing about her that inexplicably like her for some reason
― man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
nothing about this is like owl city in any way, let's drop that analogy
― abcfsk, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
who are these rap heads that are into kreayshawn, besides you and j0rdan
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
nothing like posting over and over again on an artist's thread to make sure that the critical discourse ignores them
― Mordy, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
lol seriously
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:06 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
lots of chicks who dig rap like "gucci gucci" ime
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
like tumblr rapper kitty pryde, for one
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
the kreayshawn bit on the 2 Chains song is really awful.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
has she dropped any guest verse that wasn't?
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
that was the first one I'd heard.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
yeah same here, i'm just wondering if she's even had any other chances to shit the bed for 16 bars yet
― some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
well, lil wayne liked it enough to do his own version of it
it got radio play nationally
― man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
on rap radio, i mean
― man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
"Right after I landed in LAX, I ran into my ex and he looked a little vexed. I said 'Is there a problem?' 'Yes. California hates you bitch why would you bother?' I just came for the fries with the carne asada, and to prove I can go a lot harder than Gucci Gucci Louis Louis Fendi Fendi Prada."
That Kreayshawn shout-out is telling, because Kitty Pryde is basically the much sharper, self-aware, suburban high school version of Kreayshawn.
“I don't think I'm following in her footsteps or anything, but the same kind of thing is happening, like 'Oh she's cute, this makes me laugh. It's not good, but it's funny.' You send the link to your friends, and then it's a big joke. Which is good, that's what I wanted. But I want people to laugh with me, not laugh at me.”
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
its easier to be self aware about something that has already happened
― man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
i think the point is that KP is more self-aware in general, not just aware of kreayshawn. i think i agree, in that KP seems to be framing herself in her narratives, looking at the persona she creates from the outside and laughing at it. there's a self-mocking tone to the whole thing.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
'self awareness' is exactly whats gross about this, tho, its based on weird insecurity of dealing w/ rap as a white girl rather than just ~being herself~ & competing on a level playing field w/ others
― man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
its based on weird insecurity of dealing w/ rap as a white girl rather than just ~being herself~ & competing on a level playing field w/ others
Yeah, because rap critics are all about judging white teenage girl rappers by the same objective criteria they'd judge teenaged black male rappers. It's her insecurity that's creating the context here. OK.
― 誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
i hate on black male rappers all the time too! what are you even talking about?
― man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
that sounds bad out of context probably. i hate on rappers of ~any color~ all the time. white rappers have to deal w the added fact of being outsiders to a culture, certainly, but there are ways to do that that arent gross
i like kreay's lack of self consciousness about it, like, she just wanted to compete w/ other rappers period rather than emphasizing her difference so that ppl can say stuff like, oh shes part of 'internet tumblr culture' so why would she be compared to rapper?
― man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
rapperS
that's all well and good, but self-consciousness is a legit and honest-seeming part of the persona that KP is projecting. a lot of teenagers do feel self-conscious abt their place in the world, and the fact that she works from within that gives her voice a lot of its authenticity. she's not putting on a rapper style. she's just being herself, insecurities and all.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
i don't care if a girl rapper is black, green, purple, blue, white or orange
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
as long as she brings a new perspective to rap music and is ironically self-aware of her persona i will go to bat for her on ilx
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:33 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
& this is why putting 'teenagers' on a weird pedestal is weird, b/c they often have dumb, even if honest, ideas about life
― man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
fair enough. i'm not obsessed with teen-ness, but i do have a fondness for the in-situ bildungsroman that the late great was snarking at upthread.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
and pop is heavily paved with dumb ideas about life, honest or not
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
so is the road to hell
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
!!!
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
so good art only expresses noble/intelligent/productive ideas now, it can't reflect other things?
― Chris S, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
exactly, i like the first couple beastie boys albums largely because they're so full of dumb ideas
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
a suburban-seeming middle class white girl being insecure about an identity as rapper -- wow, that is just so weird!
― sarahell, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
kitty pryde vs childish gambino
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
^hell fyi
― Chris S
apollonian ideal get into it
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
backlash agianst dionysus begins HERE
:)
― Chris S, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
http://bestof.provocateuse.com/images/photos/jamie_bamber_97@.jpg
could def get into this apollonian ideal
― sarahell, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link
the beastie boys dont seem self conscious at all
― man down (D-40), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
no, they have different dumb ideas (most involving beer and hooahs)
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
you sure you're not confusing apollo and adonis?
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:31 (eleven years ago) link
xxp
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
sorry for nerd lolz - that's a pic of "Apollo" from Battlestar Galactica
― sarahell, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
lol, i've never seen BG, but i figured due to ruggedized bunk beds (suitable for spacefaring)
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:35 (eleven years ago) link