The kid who plays the psycho in Jack Ketchum's The Lost. That movie would be nothing without his performance.
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
angela bettis is pretty much great in anything she does actually.
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
Agreed!! She's a real fan favorite.
― former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
One big motif I realised is missing from my ballot: the ageing melodramatic actress as a horror unto herself. Need to investigate that trope more, I think.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
implied in daughters of darkness, perhaps, but that's loving tribute as much as monstrification, so she's still a beautiful horror. certainly not baby jane material.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
are we talking sunset blvd here or
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
Sunset Boulevard is more on the thriller side of the spectrum, but one of the most high profile; Whatever Happened to Baby Jane is probably the epitome of that trope on the horror end.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
yup
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
But, as I say, I don't know that many of the films - I have friends who talk about a lot more that fit in to this schematic, but I remain mostly in the dark.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psycho-biddy
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
Half amused, half appalled at 'psycho-biddy' and 'hagsploitation'. I like 'Grande Dame Guignol' as a name, though.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
the wiki examples are pretty broad, like, in no way is trog a psychobiddy film
however I wouldn't argue with anyone who voted for mommie dearest in this poll
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
I have seen zero films with angela bettis in them. If I were to rectify that, what would I watch? Can't say any of them are calling out to me.
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
hagspoitation is a very gross term.
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
MAY you should watch May.
― former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
May is prob the best starting point, but if you want something a little more hardcore and unpleasant theres always The Woman
xpost
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks, guys. This has been a very informative thread.
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
may, absolutely
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
La Lechera and her lurker gave me this book and it is wonderful and I recommend it: http://www.amazon.com/Grande-Dame-Guignol-Cinema-History/dp/0786445696/ref=tmm_pap_title_0
― Polly biscuit face (carl agatha), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
sunset boulevard may not be a horror film, but norma desmond certainly fits the criteria for the sort of character you're talking about. a lot of movies do this implicitly by casting an iconic older actress in a monstrous role (joan crawford in both strait-jacket and berserk), but few do it explicitly, making the character an actress herself.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
good lord i always forget that she was carrie in the carrie remake. almost makes me want to watch it, but not quite
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
Not to get all into this, but I have no problem with hagsploitation -- hag horror is my favorite term for this sort of movie because anyone who enjoys these movies isn't like "yuk she's a hag" -- the hag is the draw, the hero. When else do women in their 50s get to be the hero?!
― former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
watch may!
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
long live the crone, in other words
― former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
I heard not-bad things about the carrie remake, I imagine these were related bettis' involvement
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
wish somebody would invent cronecore
That book is going straight into my wishlist. Definitely have mixed feelings about the use of 'hag', I think it depends on who's using it: in some ways it seems like a reclamation of the term - as LL says, the hag is the hero of the film...
― emil.y, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
xpost You mean cronerock, surely?
What do you guys think about May, though?
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
totally sucks
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
Thought so. Carrie remake it is.
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
bettis was great, movie itself was only OK.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, it's not that great of a movie, and the boyfriend character is inane, but it's entertaining and Bettis is super weird and memorable in it.
― former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
Sunset Boulevard is more on the thriller side of the spectrum
smh
It's a vampire comedy
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ cronerock
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
anna faris also great in may
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
pre hollywood makeover too
― game of crones (La Lechera), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
Ha, I can totally get with that interpretation.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
CARRIE remake is dire. Nearly as bad as the late '90s teensploitation sequel.
― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
oh, shirt. guess i missed this. need to check in more regularly. ):
― silent ouzo eclipse (Mr. Hal Jam), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
that was the sound of eric's head hitting the table
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not about to plead for an extension. i snoozed, i loosed.
― silent ouzo eclipse (Mr. Hal Jam), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
You snoozed, the g-d results lost!
― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
Tho I really like the way these results turned out on the whole, in the end.
― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
you showed up just in time for the reveal tomorrow, tho
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
I would still love to see a Hal jam ballot just for personal queue filling purposes
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
cosign
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I'm not sure if by this point one more ballot would be doing much but shuffling a few titles a few slots one way or the other, but it would still be neat to see.
― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
i'll oblige. and i will try to post before the reveal - so as to avoid the influence of the votes. not sure where to start with a personal Top 50, tho. yeesh.
― silent ouzo eclipse (Mr. Hal Jam), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
Tell you what ... if the response in this thread is supportive, I could see myself holding off results for one more day if you thought you could get a ballot in to me in relatively short order.
― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link