Dods, yes, I have that 7-inch - it also has a U2 'Wire' remix
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:18 (eleven years ago) link
It's best to think of it as a parody of a Smiths song. xp
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:28 (eleven years ago) link
it's a highly enjoyable prime slab of desperate melodrama served with just a hint of stalkery horseradish
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:36 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, but sequenced right after the similarly paced (and far superior) "I Know It's Over," it really stops that album dead in its tracks.
― buh, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link
it's starts again when you flip it over ;)
although i don't like cemetry gates much either. actually considering what a formative record this was for me there are rather a lot of songs that i dislike.
― jed_, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:19 (eleven years ago) link
Never Had No One Ever is not really a song, it's basically a vamp. Its position immediately after I Know It's Over is usually considered a sequencing mistake, but I think it's probably deliberate - the similarity of keys and tempos mean I hear it as I Know It's Over's looser, offhand coda. In this way, it has the same function as the similarly paced (and similarly placed) ending to Death of a Disco Dancer on Strangeways. I enjoy myself listening to it, but I am easily pleased by this kind of thing (I could listen to someone going between Am and Dm all day).
While I'm here, I want to mention another good Smiths site that I haven't seen mentioned here; Smiths on Guitar. Here is the page for Never Had No One Ever. For some songs, the site has little more than the chords scanned from the sheet music, but for others it has some fascinating videos and quotes.
― Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 08:53 (eleven years ago) link
reunion is GO! .. allegedly.
first heard this from a pretty reliable source some months back, raised a quizzical eyebrow. seems like it could be on the cards after all (no Mike Joyce though).
― piscesx, Monday, 1 October 2012 15:21 (eleven years ago) link
hmmm...
There was a Rockpalast show broadcast on SkyArts recently but I watched skinny young ,orrissey dancing like a fawn in front of his admiring audience and thought to myself, he's not that guy anymore.
Johnny is still Johnny, sure.
but.
― Mark G, Monday, 1 October 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
no mike joyce no creditbility
― gesange der yuengling (crüt), Monday, 1 October 2012 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
here it says yes joyce, no rourkehttp://www.digitalspy.com/music/news/a409472/the-smiths-reunion-new-rumors-emerge-of-glastonbury-2013-comeback.html
― making plans for nyquil (outdoor_miner), Monday, 1 October 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
54321 til morrissey denies all this?
― tylerw, Monday, 1 October 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
really hope they don't do it
― farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 October 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
I hope not either. I don't like the idea of reunions, especially this one because it is solely motivated by money.
― controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Monday, 1 October 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
feel like if morrissey was actually desperate for $$$$ he'd do a "morrissey sings the smiths" tour w/o any of them before he'd do a reunion. could be wrong!
― tylerw, Monday, 1 October 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
funny that it is like the holy grail of reunions. is anyone offering a bazillion dollars to talking heads to reunite?
― tylerw, Monday, 1 October 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
i don't see how morrissey could possibly be hurting for money though?
― farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
if the smiths reunite i would sell my firstborn child to go see the show. not even joking
― heiswagger (rennavate), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
xp i dunno, maybe he invested heavy in some really sketchy vegan smoothie stands and lost it all?
― tylerw, Monday, 1 October 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
"leafy, succulents and gruel"
― goole, Monday, 1 October 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
(i got the quote wrong! shit)
― goole, Monday, 1 October 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
There's been so much animosity on all sides I don't really see a good reason for them to reunite aside from money. Morrissey & Marr had always been vehement against the idea of a reunion until now. I could be wrong, but I don't understand the sudden change of heart.
― controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
The Stone Roses were at each other's throats for years prior so i guess it could mean they could still.. forgive and forget. although finding it hard to imagine a Smiths-y equivalent of this photo
http://static.nme.com/images/gallery/StoneRoses02PR181011.jpg
― piscesx, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
Isn't/Wasn't the Roses tour kind of a clusterfuck, though?
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
After a reunion by The Police, I'm not ruling anything out. However, I don't see what possible good could come of a Smiths reunion either for the band themselves or the fans.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
something about the smiths still feels special because they never did a reunion. i'd hate for them to muck up the purity of their brief almost-perfect career just because morrissey and marr decide they can tolerate each other long enough to make a few extra bucks.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
I wouldn't want them to reunite because the last thing they did before they broke up sucks super hard and directly informed the direction Morrissey went with his solo career; no one wants to here Strangeways-ified versions of TQID songs
― set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
mm i'd wager Pink Floyd doing it means anyone can, although Moz's "The Smiths will end in murder" soundbite from around the mid 00's always kinda raised the bar for hateful 'it won't happen' band quotes.
interestingly the final time Joyce and Rourke played with Moz (at the one-off Wolves Civic Hall gig in 88) they were suing him *already*.
― piscesx, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
'strangeways' is amazing! their second-best after 'TQID.'
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
no it isnt
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
Hasn't Marr been getting less and less interesting since the first electronic album though? I'd be more worried about them thrashing through stuff that was never meant to be thrashed; turning every song into 'London'.
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, nothing I've heard by Marr post-Smiths even resembles Smiths-era Marr. Even if he just got up there and accompanied Morrissey Boz Boorer-style, it wouldn't be as good as Boz.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
actually if they "London"-ified everything I'd be interested but I assume they'd actually "Girlfriend In A Coma"-fy everything
― set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
Boz Boorer has the best name
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
i'll never understand ppl hating on strageways. it's good!
― goole, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
I was about to say I feel like I've been arguing with DJP for 10 years about the merits of Strangeways, but then I remembered that's because I have.
― Alba, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
strangeways is incredible wtffff also admittedly it's my least favorite smiths record. still a classic tho
― heiswagger (rennavate), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
Oh jeez, what if they write some new stuff?
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
lol Alba
― set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
i don't consider it the smiths w/o rourke, his bass playing was crucial to the band!!
― farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
I hope they reunite to play "Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others" then promptly leave the stage.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
i'd say that 'girlfriend in a coma' is one of their best singles but i fear the inevitable 'no it isnt' response
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
hating Strangeways is maybe DJPs most befuddling opinion, at least for me
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe they'll get Flea to dep?
― Pat Ast vs Jean Arp (MaresNest), Monday, 1 October 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
lord probably just pisses me off...a band is a band!
― farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 October 2012 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
Why would it 'not be Rourke'?
I can understand why it might 'not be Joyce'...
Anyways, at some point they are going to get so bored with denying rumours that they will stop doing it, then it'll be all 'ooh it's imminent' sigh..
― Mark G, Monday, 1 October 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
hope this doesn't happen.
also rourke and joyce are one of the best ever rock rhythm sections and it would be megashit if they weren't both involved.
― Jamie_ATP, Monday, 1 October 2012 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
hating Strangeways "Domino Dancing" is maybe DJPs most befuddling opinion, at least for me
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 October 2012 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
Hasn't Marr been getting less and less interesting since the first electronic album though
you mad, Dusk was after Electronic
Of course this is a terrible idea though
― ┐(´ー`)┌ (sic), Monday, 1 October 2012 23:07 (eleven years ago) link
the ways of DJP are strange
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 1 October 2012 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
?? dan loves domino dancing! he always says its the piper at the gates of dawn of the pet shop boys
― farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 October 2012 23:08 (eleven years ago) link