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but she's not from a different culture! she's from the same culture as me! she has a supreme sticker on her laptop! i have like 20 supreme stickers! (in a drawer)

yeah, but you know what i mean. the cultural island inhabited by teenage girls (and especially by the specific aspects of teenage girlhood to which KP's devoting herself at this point) is not often "shared" with, deeply understood by or terribly well respected by adult men. that's a good thing, probably!

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:28 (five years ago) Permalink

man if everybody on this thread was in group therapy together instead of the internet then this thread would be a very intense phase in the group's growth because there is a lot going on here imo that has to do with self-identification thru music & "ownership" of genre etc & a lot of that shit runs super deep for a lot of people & especially for music dudes

and has less, it goes w/o saying, to do with an artist who literally everybody will have trouble remembering in 2014

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:29 (five years ago) Permalink

i kinda think you'd get more mileage out of this by just saying she's interesting from an anthropological perspective and being done with the hair splitting

yeah, okay, that's probably good advice

plus aero otm

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:30 (five years ago) Permalink

I dunno, I feel I understand where KP is coming from (even if it annoys me when she says "justin beiber really needs to call me though", perhaps because I'm not sure what the "though" is reacting to in what she's already said). I don't get the impression that any of the haters in the thread are objecting to the subject matter or the stance KP takes vis a vis her "culture" or whatevs. And if she chose not to rap in that matter and be more profesh I don't see how this would change the extent to which she is devoting herself to "specific aspects of teenage girlhood" (since as far as i'm aware neither MF Doom nor Paul Barman comprise specific aspects of teenage girlhood).

Most importantly the backing music is 100% designed for 20 something men. And is the "in" which makes this tumblr/fader worthy. I suspect a lot of haters ITT would like this more (or at least hate it less) if it was actually a stoner Daphne & Celeste rather than a stoner Daphne & Celeste as imagined by CloudDEAD.

Tim F, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:34 (five years ago) Permalink

extraneous use of "though" is part of the teenspeak uptalking 'every sentence sounds like a question or refutation even if it isn't' thing iirc

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:38 (five years ago) Permalink

Her father, a lawyer, has been supportive, but somewhat protective, naturally. “He doesn't listen to my music at all. He likes Pearl Jam and shit,” she says.

LOL

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:38 (five years ago) Permalink

Like, I really don't see what makes this music the province of teenage girlhood as opposed to the music large numbers of teenage girls actually listen to like "Call Me Maybe" and "Boyfriend" and which, not coincidentally, heaps of ILXORS actually love.

Seems to me the much bigger aesthetic judgement factor at work is where you stand or fall on tumblr culture generally.

extraneous use of "though" is part of the teenspeak uptalking 'every sentence sounds like a question or refutation even if it isn't' thing iirc

yeah I meant to say I figured this but it tripped me up each time when listening.

Australians use "but" instead of "though".

Tim F, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:40 (five years ago) Permalink

What is Lamp's opinion.

Tim F, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:42 (five years ago) Permalink

all the talk about what "audience" KP's music is "for" is a little labored since a) she hasn't been known outside her immediate social circle yet for what, 5 days? and b) the people that have learned about her in that time are a bunch of fader/complex/blog readers, which i don't know the avg age/gender demographics but i'm guessing it skews a a bit older and more male

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:44 (five years ago) Permalink

i think that considering how much has been written abt the facile nature of tumblr it makes perfect sense as a pt of comparison despite the shifting medium

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:57 (five years ago) Permalink

but w/e, tim is right that my main problem is i find the kind of music shes involved w/ as facile when main attrakionz do it as when she does

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:58 (five years ago) Permalink

at least it took them longer to get to the NYT though

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:58 (five years ago) Permalink

Like, I really don't see what makes this music the province of teenage girlhood as opposed to the music large numbers of teenage girls actually listen to like "Call Me Maybe" and "Boyfriend" and which, not coincidentally, heaps of ILXORS actually love.

the manner of speech: tones, inflections, cadences, giggling, uptalk. that's thing one, the throw down, the challenge to adult sensibilities. it establishes who she is and where she's coming from in broad terms, and the ILX-beloved teenpop you're talking about doesn't usually go there.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:59 (five years ago) Permalink

i think that considering how much has been written abt the facile nature of tumblr it makes perfect sense as a pt of comparison despite the shifting medium

a lot's been written about the facile nature of pop, but that doesn't make calling something "pop" a particularly resonant criticism.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:00 (five years ago) Permalink

xps, idk this doesnt strike me as artificial as all that, p sure there's a general swathe of tumblr teengirls that do listen to cloudrap and suchlike that would naturally internalise the aesthetic

r|t|c, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:03 (five years ago) Permalink

has j-shep commented on this, just out of morbid interest

r|t|c, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:07 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah i mean maybe there IS a significant young female fanbase for complex-championed blog rap, i don't really know.

i mean it almost goes without saying that if this girl posted on ILM she'd be regarded by a lot of people itt as having really cool taste.

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:09 (five years ago) Permalink

the manner of speech: tones, inflections, cadences, giggling, uptalk. that's thing one, the throw down, the challenge to adult sensibilities. it establishes who she is and where she's coming from in broad terms, and the ILX-beloved teenpop you're talking about doesn't usually go there.

Has anyone complained about those things ITT though?

I mean yes, "OK Cupid" is very different from "Call Me Maybe" which is basically my point: I don't think you can just run together made-by-teenagers with made-for-teenagers and therefore assume that adults aren't the market here. The reasons people might like or dislike High School Musical and the reasons people might like or dislike a short film made for a school art project are likely to be very different. Typically, the first is made by adults to succeed with a kid audience, whereas the second is made by kids to succeed with an adult audience. And Kitty Pryde feels more like the second than the first for me.

If there is a general swathe of tumblr teengirls that do listen to cloudrap then it's hard not to conclude that they're likely to have much more in common with ILM posters as a general rule rather than less (xpost with some dude...)

Tim F, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:18 (five years ago) Permalink

calling it all "complex-championed blog rap" is a bit whineyish looking through the wrong side of the telescope tho

like evan r says a lot of things but imo he was right to cast doubt on ilm's portrait of the weeknd as purely a crit conceit, the guy and the things he stands for are genuinely popular

of course you would require in this instance to have a more nuanced idea of "popularity" beyond chart-indie-pitchfork, and a looser definition of fanbase for that matter too probably

idk it's just some general middle class shit, paging lamp i'm going to bed already

r|t|c, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:25 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah sorry if that's a sloppy or misleading choice of words, i genuinely don't really know who is actually listening to or talking about Kitty Pryde right now besides Complex and Fader and people on ilx who are plugged in enough to that world to be annoyed that she's getting attention in it.

kitty shayme (some dude), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:28 (five years ago) Permalink

i mean it almost goes without saying that if this girl posted on ILM she'd be regarded by a lot of people itt as having really cool taste.

if this girl posted to ilx she'd be laughing at everyone itt pro, con, or otherwise.

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:41 (five years ago) Permalink

if she posted to ILX she'd post her youtube raps and ppl would prob say how good they were

♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:43 (five years ago) Permalink

damn i wish kitty pryde was an ilxor

♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:43 (five years ago) Permalink

the manner of speech: tones, inflections, cadences, giggling, uptalk. that's thing one, the throw down, the challenge to adult sensibilities

i hate to keep bringing this up over and over again but i deal with teenage girls every freaking day (it's my job) and i've even studied them in graduate school and this shit is not as particularly challenging as you make it sound. sometimes they say smart things and sometimes they don't, sometimes they say cool things and sometimes they don't and it's not too hard to look past the "uptalk" to figure it out - especially since as a san diegan i speak in uptalk too even though i'm old, male and serious (NOW WHAT?!?)

personally i think jessica sanchez is more interesting than kitty pryde

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:59 (five years ago) Permalink

if she was really cutting edge she'd substitute vocal fry for the uptalk

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:04 (five years ago) Permalink

Jshep tweeted about how white male crits crap on female artists but this was in the wake if andy hutchins tweeting the phone number to kp's retail gig, and she said shes not rlly into the song either

I dont question that this ish could end up w a big middlebrow fanbase but so could lots of things given that kind of exposure where everyone feels obliged to have an opinion cf the lana del rey thing

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:07 (five years ago) Permalink

andy hutchins tweeting the phone number to kp's retail gig

the fuck

goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:19 (five years ago) Permalink

who are these ghouls

goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:19 (five years ago) Permalink

who are these gooles

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:21 (five years ago) Permalink

one and only, bucko

goole, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:22 (five years ago) Permalink

Has anyone complained about those things ITT though?

[tim F asking about my description of her vocal manner] no, but no one has really broken down what it is they dislike her. the criticism has been mostly of the "lol she sucks" variety, intermixed with the suggestion that she's getting attention for the wrong reasons, that others deserve it more, etc. i'm only suggesting that her very typically US-teen-girl-style vocal approach might be part of what causes people to dismiss her.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:25 (five years ago) Permalink

uh, "...what it is they dislike about her."

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:26 (five years ago) Permalink

ery typically US-teen-girl-style vocal approach

i'm going to regret posting this but i have no idea what you mean here

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:28 (five years ago) Permalink

i hate to keep bringing this up over and over again but i deal with teenage girls every freaking day (it's my job) and i've even studied them in graduate school and this shit is not as particularly challenging as you make it sound. sometimes they say smart things and sometimes they don't, sometimes they say cool things and sometimes they don't and it's not too hard to look past the "uptalk" to figure it out - especially since as a san diegan i speak in uptalk too even though i'm old, male and serious (NOW WHAT?!?)

well, i'm not talking about you, for one thing. i assume every individual has his or her reasons.

if there were a bunch of female rappers working this particular vocal style and exploring these themes, and if there were a high level of acceptance for this approach among older male rap heads, then i would probably be less inclined to wonder how big a role these things played in the rejection of KP.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:32 (five years ago) Permalink

\O_o/

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:36 (five years ago) Permalink

i'm going to regret posting this but i have no idea what you mean here

went into it in a little more detail a few posts back: "the manner of speech: tones, inflections, cadences, giggling, uptalk." add breathiness, a particular and deliberate sort of flatness, the cartoonishly childlike tone she momentarily affects on the "i'm thirteen, what is lean? what is dream pop" line, etc.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:37 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't know what makes that typical of us teen girls

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:39 (five years ago) Permalink

also just the straight-up sound of her voice. we can tell a lot about people just by listening to their voices: age and gender are obvious, and perhaps culture and where they call home (of course, we can be wrong about these things too). the sound of KPs voice, her basic tone and manner of speech convey something about her and her place in the world. we know she's not an old dude from latvia, for instance.

for the most part, she doesn't seem to be trying to "sound like a rapper". she's trying, if anything, to sound like an ordinary teenage white girl. that's not a common style in rap.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:45 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't know what makes that typical of us teen girls

well, the "voice" KP raps in is common among (and a specific signifier of) a particular segment of US teen girls. we know she's a young woman from the basic tone & timbre of her voice. we might reasonably suppose that she's an american teenager from her accent and vocal manners. we could probably deduce all that without even being able to understand english.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:49 (five years ago) Permalink

elementary, my dear watson

the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 03:51 (five years ago) Permalink

it's a reasonable answer to the question. you don't have to snark at everything i say just on principle.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 04:35 (five years ago) Permalink

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♆ (gr8080), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 04:51 (five years ago) Permalink

that mysterious "good" thing again...

― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, May 14, 2012 3:12 PM Bookmark

dude stop fucking acting like people who don't like her are trying to make objective statements from on high and not just stating their subjective opinions

The Reverend, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 04:58 (five years ago) Permalink

i'm trying to prod people into explaining where they're coming from and what it is about her approach, specifically, that they think sucks so incredibly bad

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:01 (five years ago) Permalink

inert music plus a voice with zero charisma or range sleepwalking through a recitation of inanities

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:03 (five years ago) Permalink

see, and that wasnt even a real sentence let alone a graf

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:04 (five years ago) Permalink

we know she's not an old dude from latvia, for instance. x1000

you disagree? i wouldn't have said it if ppl hadn't challenged me on the specifically teen-girlish qualities of KP's voice & style.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:05 (five years ago) Permalink

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the late great, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:06 (five years ago) Permalink

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The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:06 (five years ago) Permalink

see, and that wasnt even a real sentence let alone a graf

lol, i posted a similarly brief list of praiseworthy qualities about 3 miles back. the late great suggested that it might not be sufficient.

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 05:06 (five years ago) Permalink


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