tumblr rapper kitty pryde

otm

to me, at least, it sounds like a precocious teenager talking about her experiences in an occasionally witty way. i don't find it offensive and it doesn't make me angry, which is why a lot of this thread is incomprehensible to me.

you guys sound like dumb stoners imploring people to be open-minded

well, i'm definitely at least one of those things

sort of strawmanning to claim anybody is getting angry about her music

you guys sound like dumb stoners imploring people to be open-minded

that, in turn, sounds like dumb attempt to silence people who disagree with you

really? no one? i know u can scroll up as easily as i can and find a quick example. i'm pretty sure i c/p'ed one like ten posts or so up xp

dude read your last post itt that is NOT a mischaracterization

xp cont

think people are more offended with vice and complex than with kitty pryde

'dumb' was cruel coming from flopson but when you're right etc

let's not hide between passive aggressive bullshit tho

like, i feel like we all ~know~ that the appeal is manic pixie dream girl already

what is being said here? that vice magazine gave coverage to this artist bc the editorial staff fantasized about being in a relationship with her?

not actually, think it's more like that they like her persona, which i don't think is a particularly novel criticism of vice, i mean that's pretty much what people say about a lot of the celebrities that vice promotes (thinking terry richardson and dash snow for two)

anyway i scrolled up and the only thing you c/p'ed is whiney and its pretty clear whiney isn't so much complaining about kitty pryde as he is vice and complex

sort of strawmanning to claim anybody is getting angry about her music

i think there's a kind of blunt insistence to some of the "this sucks" posting that reads not as angry, perhaps, but as weirdly and even belligerently intolerant. people are posting as though the complete suckyness of this music is a settled issue, as though it's flat-out impossible that any sensible person might disagree. no substantial critique of the music has been offered, and certainly none that engages with it on its own terms, just some swipes at the hype machine.

idk why i'd stand up for vice tbh, except that i'm sleepy. it's pretty much the worst magazine in the world

that mysterious "good" thing again...

― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, May 14, 2012 6:12 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what in the

no substantial defense of the music has been raised other than "teenage girls are actually like this persona though" and "here's some awful lines + some fan art of kitty pryde"

dude read your last post itt that is NOT a mischaracterization

you don't have to respect it, but it was a serious (implied) question. how are you guys constructing "good" so as to categorically exclude this? what are the criteria? why are those criteria more valid than any other, or even interesting? what is the great sin of this music that causes it to be judged so horribly and completely bad?

if all anyone's saying is "i just don't like it", then fine. and if people want to object to it's cultural positioning and/or the way it's been hyped, that's fine too. but the latter isn't a critique of the music, and the former isn't a terribly compelling analysis.

it is some fucking level of paralysis-by-analysis when you have trouble saying that this music is not good

and i don't understand what kind of "substantial critique" you'd be willing to accept when you've already claimed nobody here is qualified to hold an opinion of it because we're not teenage girls

wait why is this comparison supposed to be favorable 2 kp?

― man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:18 (30 minutes ago) Bookmark

the reference wasnt part of saying what her appeal is - i hadnt gone into that at all - the point of it was just to illustrate where i feel what appeal there is is even coming from in the first place. ie to break this chick's balls from the perspective of rap music is imo misguided and irrelevant

no substantial defense of the music has been raised other than "teenage girls are actually like this persona though" and "here's some awful lines + some fan art of kitty pryde"

that's not true. i've explained what i think is interesting about KP's writing, vocal style and persona. others have done the same. no one's spent a great deal of time elaborating these arguments, but no one has spent any time engaging with them or offering any kind of criticism beyond "lol she sucks".

rtc is like a coldblooded assasin of music snobbery & he called it "prime mf doom" (lol) & his single post itt in defence of this song is more valuable than your hundreds of posts handwringing about what is "good" and can we really say that this is "bad"

this girl has the personality of a teenager's tumblr. Her music is a trail of references spoken in a lazy way over lame 'cloud rap' production, which is already a dishwater dull genre as is. there's really nothing to engage w/ here imo.

ie to break this chick's balls from the perspective of rap music is imo misguided and irrelevant

― r|t|c, Monday, May 14, 2012 7:51 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think that the rap comparisons are less abt it failing on rap's terms & more why 'rap's terms' are such a detriment to high level coverage vs. 'tumblr twee terms'

guess what NME praised the teenagers (french band) for ... if you guessed "self-aware" and "clever" you guessed right!

it is some fucking level of paralysis-by-analysis when you have trouble saying that this music is not good

― call all destroyer, Monday, 14 May 2012 20:48 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

afaict contenderizer your reasons for liking this music were

"smart & funny" ... "POV cuz it's relatable, cleverly articulated and not often represented in her genre"

also "the giggly shit and passivity probably read "real" to the people who are into it"

"not often represented in her genre" = ... brings something fresh to the tired guns'n'hos cliches of the rap genre = surefire way to get people's goat on ilm

late great, what's the end game here? you tear contenderizer's spine out through his throat and the words 'fatality' stream across the ilx screen in blood?

that would be sweet

can we make that happen?

and i don't understand what kind of "substantial critique" you'd be willing to accept when you've already claimed nobody here is qualified to hold an opinion of it because we're not teenage girls

uh, i know you hate this, but that isn't exactly what i said. i said that i have trouble relating to KP's style and persona, personally, and that i suspect that this is largely a product of what she embodies/represents: this specific version of teenage girlhood. like, i'm repelled not by a lack of quality, but by cultural difference. i wonder whether other people are similarly repelled. i wonder whether adult male music nerds as a group might be poorly suited to "getting" this music (and, sure, i suspect that this is actually the case).

but i'm not saying that i won't accept other opinions. i'm interested in other opinions. i'm especially interested in other people's analysis. what i'm not particularly interested in are "thumbs up"/"thumbs down" type verdicts.

late great, what's the end game here? you tear contenderizer's spine out through his throat and the words 'fatality' stream across the ilx screen in blood?

― Mordy, Monday, May 14, 2012 8:56 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

contenderizer already proved he has no spine by stanning for kitty pryde

(hold block) up up xxp

here's my analysis: i don't really give a fuck what she's rapping about. she sounds like mc paul barman. i don't like mc paul barman.

this girl has the personality of a teenager's tumblr. Her music is a trail of references spoken in a lazy way over lame 'cloud rap' production, which is already a dishwater dull genre as is. there's really nothing to engage w/ here imo.

― man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:52 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah that is 100% otm except for the fact that this particular teen's tumblr is, for some, pretty engageable

this girl has the personality of a teenager's tumblr. Her music is a trail of references spoken in a lazy way over lame 'cloud rap' production

what's wrong with "the personality of a teenager's tumblr"? it depends on the teenager, right? no group is intrinsically more or less interesting than any other. and lots of lyrics i like could be described as a "trail of references".

contenderizer already proved he has no spine by stanning for kitty pryde

well, it seems to be the least popular position available here, so...

and i don't like her music much, ftr

i think that the rap comparisons are less abt it failing on rap's terms & more why 'rap's terms' are such a detriment to high level coverage vs. 'tumblr twee terms'

― man down (D-40), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 01:53 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

oh man what is this just the weeknd thread again?

cos if it is sarge better get his seinfeld gif out againt

sometimes contenderizer i'll realize that i'm arguing about something i'm not actually so invested in, and i'll decide that considering my lack of investment in the work, the amount of effort i'm putting into defending it isn't worth it. at that point i find something else to do.

no group is intrinsically more or less interesting than any other

and that's why this year's oscar goes to ... VEGGIE TALES!

"not often represented in her genre" = ... brings something fresh to the tired guns'n'hos cliches of the rap genre = surefire way to get people's goat on ilm

then people need to step back, because that's an absurd projection. there are a great many voices that aren't often represented in every genre. that's fine, but it does tend to make voices that are less often represented seem somewhat novel, and there's nothing wrong with that, either.

sometimes contenderizer i'll realize that i'm arguing about something i'm not actually so invested in, and i'll decide that considering my lack of investment in the work, the amount of effort i'm putting into defending it isn't worth it. at that point i find something else to do.

shit, i might as well get it from all sides.

i'm interested in this discussion. i'm interested in the way this music relates to the culture at large. i'm interested in how people evaluate it and why. if that's not interest enough to justify my presence in this thread to you, then i don't know what to say.

like, i'm repelled not by a lack of quality, but by cultural difference

but she's not from a different culture! she's from the same culture as me! she has a supreme sticker on her laptop! i have like 20 supreme stickers! (in a drawer)

comparing one work in one medium to a different whole medium is just useless. this song is like a BOOK! that's good! this song is like a TUMBLR! that's bad! if you're operating at the same level of discourse as dj khaled that just stfu and go make moooovieeeees

tbh, i kinda think you'd get more mileage out of this by just saying she's interesting from an anthropological perspective and being done with the hair splitting xxp

also

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zKzS1ayZ3wM/SfIXBSEROGI/AAAAAAAAAi4/SSFGF_CY4SA/s1600/malley+pryde.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/HangmenHeaven/Response%20Face/Hansen_blank_background.jpg

tbh i have only really listened to 'ok cupid' but the only 'reference' i can remember from that track is frank ocean