should i give the grateful dead a chance?

oh yeah. Garcia, duh. I think I may actually have that around somewhere. Or used to. Never heard Ace.

Also, the reason why Ward put only live versions on that list is because those are by the Dead. The studio version of, say, "Sugaree," isn't the Dead.

In fact, if you scour Dead tape-trading circles you'll be able to find that actual song list as a tape/stream/whatever.

when i was 16 (and basically only listening to new wave and punk and hardcore - this was 1984) the thing that turned me on to the dead was the *what a long strange trip it's been* double album. and i still think this is an inspired collection if you want to turn someone on to the band. the great europe 72 stuff and good early stuff, etc. it does such a great job of showcasing all the dead's strengths as a band and completely omits the weaknesses.

Side one

Track four was recorded live in concert.

1. "New Minglewood Blues" (traditional, credited to McGannahan Skjellyfetti) – 2:34
2. "Cosmic Charlie" (Garcia, Hunter) – 5:30
3. "Truckin'" (Garcia, Hunter, Lesh, Weir) – 5:03
4. "Black Peter" (Garcia, Hunter) – 7:27
5. "Born Cross-Eyed" (The Grateful Dead) – 2:55

Side two

1. "Ripple" (Hunter, Garcia) – 4:10
2. "Doin' That Rag" (Garcia, Hunter) – 4:40
3. "Dark Star" (Garcia, Hunter) – 2:41
4. "High Time" (Garcia, Hunter) – 5:12
5. "New Speedway Boogie" (Garcia, Hunter) – 4:05

Side three

All songs on side three were recorded live in concert.

1. "St. Stephen" (Garcia, Lesh, Hunter) – 5:22
2. "Jack Straw" (Weir, Hunter) – 4:48
3. "Me and My Uncle" (Phillips) – 3:03
4. "Tennessee Jed" (Garcia, Hunter) – 7:11

Side four

All songs on side four were recorded live in concert.

1. "Cumberland Blues" (Garcia, Lesh, Hunter) – 5:41
2. "Playing in the Band" (Weir, Hart, Hunter) – 4:38
3. "Brown-Eyed Woman" (Garcia, Hunter) – 4:37
4. "Ramble On Rose" (Garcia, Hunter) – 6:01

That is a great best of. I've got a whole bunch of Dead stuff but only just picked that one up. Someone here at ILM pointed out that it has the studio (single) version of "Darkstar" after I said I'd never heard it. It's great, too.

Hadn't read this thread for a few days, and I figured I'd ask about that solo Garcia LP, and lo! behold! Recommendations aplenty!

Thank you ILM third eye!

Also, I've been enjoying that Mickey Hart Rolling Thunder LP a bunch. Percussion-heavy (surprise) ethnic jams, with John Cipollina, Paul Kantner, Stephen Stills and a bunch of other dudes. Zakir Hussain plays 'rain'.

Gnarly, if you dig Miles-era hippie fusion, might I suggest this:

http://vox2.cdn.amiestreet.com/band-picture/Jerry-Garcia-&-Howard-Wales_10231_page.jpg

Also for those who think the dudes in the Dead didn't get very weird, try this:

http://mutant-sounds.blogspot.com/2007/04/phil-lesh-ned-lagin-seastoneslpcd197519.html

That's some cool synth freakery from the mid 70s featuring keyboardist Ned Lagin and Phil Lesh.

There is also a tape floating about the Dead world that features Lagin, Garcia, Hart and Lesh doing some pretty out there synth stuff.

a lot of the 74 shows have a 'Seastones' interlude between sets, sometimes w/ all of the dead joining in on the jam - i think the only legit release of this stuff so far is on the dicks picks culled from the alexandra palace shows they played that year

pleased that ppl are finding that list i posted useful - it's not definitive, by any means (never been much of a fan of 'looks like rain', for example, but i remember mark richardson picking it as his favourite bob weir song, and it's def. another ACE track that the dead played a lot in concert - it's ALL of the dead on ACE, btw, whereas i think only Kreutzmann plays on the first Garcia solo rec)

Is that Mati Klarwein artwork on Hooteroll? I stumbled across a copy of that album the other week, actually, but didn't know anything about it.

I just checked the credits. It is M.K., but he's credited as Abdul Mati.

if you've even considered going to any of these shows, you want to get on that

tonight's setlist:

I: U.S. Blues, Scarlet Begonias > Fire on the Mountain*, Bird Song*, Feel Like a Stranger*, High Time, Turn On Your Lovelight*
II: New Potato Caboose > Estimated Prophet* > Milestones* > Drums > Space > Dear Mr. Fantasy* > Dark Star* > Eyes of the World*
E: Franklin's Tower
*-with Branford Marsalis (Saxophone); "Dark Star" was 2nd verse on

well, the setlist certainly looks amazing, BUT ... 3 hours of Bob singing those songs ... ? ( i'm not even overly concerned about the Warren Haynes quotient ... I assume he's "OK" in the role; but, is Bob on all those vox ? heaven forfend )

"Dear Mr. Fantasy* > Dark Star* > Eyes of the World"

Awesome.

And the set list overall is great.

It's so hard for me to imagine these songs without Jerry. I'm sure it'd be lots of fun, but, uh, "Scarlett->Fire" and "Frankin's Tower"?

I love that setlist, but I could seriously die happy if I never had to hear a "Scarlet->Fire" again in my life.

Funny article

http://www.slate.com/id/2217149/

"Dark Star" was 2nd verse on

onLY

as against expectation, Bob actually sounded *great*. sure, there was a bit of his Dylanesque choose-any-note-and-tempo-here vocals, and some slow/flubbed lines, but the dude was full of voice, especially on stuff he owns like Stranger and Estimated, mostly eschewing the depressive Ratdog style (their keyb player is a not-bad fill-in, btw). it helped that vocals were traded around throughout the show, including within songs. Warren was, yes, "OK" in the role (perhaps more than ok by the 2nd set), lending a bit of an Allmanesque tone and rushing some vox here and there, and of course it's not the same animal without Jerry, but for a lot of the show what you did get was a lot more than good enough. and yeah that setlist (which may not be that far below par for this run) - people were wondering what's left for Branford (whose soloing helped make the Lovelight, among others) when he comes back tonight. it would be nice if this is a test run for some outdoor venues next summer.

So I stumble upon this Deadcast on iTunes, and I've never owned anything by this band and never listened to any of my friends' tapes, and, yes, this is boring compared to something like the Allman Brothers, but it's pretty good late-night wallpaper when I don't want to really listen to something but I don't want to be in a dead-silent room either. This is really high-end wallpaper, for free.

How had I always skipped over "Fire in the City" before with hardly a second glance??? The song is fierce. I would have loved a full album collaboration between primal Dead and Jon Hendricks.

http://www.pnla.org/jobs/j76.htm

That has to be somebody's dream job.

http://pitchfork.com/news/42256-the-national-plan-grateful-dead-tribute-comp/

It looks like the National was talking about putting out a tribute comp, but then their label backpedalled on that statement? I would anticipate this, if it were to come to fruition.

The start of this thread was pretty funny. I wonder if Kate ever ended up actually listening to any Dead because she clearly hadn't 8 years ago.

cia never wore tie-dyes. Hanes black Ts you tard.

I want to come out and just apologize for using the word "tard" two years ago. I don't do this now and think it was horrible of me to do so. Sorry.

lol at my "garcia" truncation.

he did wear tie dyes, I distincly remember him in the gatefold of Europe '72 or something like that in tie die. Plus he tie died ties.

I could have sworn I've seen pics of him wearing tie dyed shirts too, but now I can't find one online to back up my claims. I found pics of him wearing paisley, lots of flannel, and even a t-shirt with dolphins, but no tie dye.

He wore a hockey jersey every now and again.

guys i found a photo of jerry wearing tie-dye
http://www.bayareaonthecheap.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Jerry_Garcia_Dead-300x230.gif

no, no! It was clarified upthread that he did wear tie-dies for some period in the 70s? I was just apologizing for using bigotted language.

Weir hates tie-dye fyi

the garcia in my mind isn't tie-die though. that guy is black as death.

Black Jerry

two posts after apologizing for using bigoted language!!!!

that's not even funny as far as willful misinterpretation goes.

He wasnt black, I( think he was of Spanish descent.

woah, settle down, just a bit of fun.

he was talking to me TM; I'm sorry

Black Peter

I clicked on this just to read Kate's post at the top again. Still OTM

It's possibly one of the worsts posts ive seen on ILM.

yeah, pretty bad. i like this one though
A: "Hey, what are you listening to?"
B: "Oh, it's, uh, Kremlin Tiger Flower, uh, 2506. Have you heard them before?"
A: "Hmmm, it sounds familiar."
B: "They're a Japanese noise band from the '70s. Original LPs are like $500 on Ebay, but, uh, this label out of Amsterdam just reissued their album and I got it from Forced Exposure."
A: "Oh, yeah, I've heard of that...wow, this is awesome. It sounds like Sonic Youth or the Dead C or something."
B: "Yeah, I can hear that, I guess."
A: (listens) "Totally. Sonic Youth is totally ripping these guys off."
(pause)
B: "Actually, I'm just fucking with you. It's a Dead bootleg, they're doing 'Feedback'."
A: "It's a Dead C bootleg? Wow, this is, like, the best stuff I've ever heard from them. How'd you get -- "
B: "No, no, it's the Grateful Dead."
A: (runs screaming from the room, snarky hipster credibility permanently ruined)

^I remember that! That was great!

Bertha (Skull and Roses)
He's Gone (EUROPE '72)
Jack Straw (EUROPE '72)
Brown-Eyed Women (EUROPE '72)

Wharf Rat (Skull and Roses)
Ramble On Rose (EUROPE '72)
Tennessee Jed (EUROPE '72)

i listen to this playlist and pretend it's the greatest dead studio album

^^^^

So what? SY and the Dead C are nearly as bad as the Dead (not as interminable tho') -You'd never mistake the Dead for someone, you know, good. Like when they try to play 'Jazz' or R n'B or Country, it never sounds like anything halfway acceptable in those fields: it just sounds like the Dead: out of tune, out of time, terrible singing and it goes on, and on,and on......

might just have to agree to disagree? (about the dead and the dead c)

(& sonic youth)

That is a good playlist, Mizzell.