The Return Of My Bloody Valentine

The EPs reissue is a must buy I'd say. Even if you've got most of the vinyl there are some good rarities.

I'm really, really into this remaster of Isn't Anything!
And I don't hear the famous "I Only Said" digital glitch, hmm.

Re: the "Loveless" analog remaster vs. the digital one.

Although the mastered-to-tape version sounds richer to my ears, less "early days" digital conversion, the mix is thrown off. The drum machines on "To here knows when" (hats) and "Sometimes" (kick) are mixed to perfection on the DAT master, i.e. barely audible but still running the track. Mastering to analog makes them inaudible, or at least, too low in the mix.

Are you taking into account the CDs are printed the wrong way around?

I converted CD into WAV and onto a hard drive. I didn't notice which was which. To distinguish "tape" vs. "ADAT", I'm using my ears / comparing to the WAVs of the original CD I bought in 1998.

I don't hear the digital glitch! Really! I've listened in every possible way, studio monitors, monitor headphones, on both CDs. Hmm.

And I don't hear the famous "I Only Said" digital glitch, hmm.

I thought it was the famous "What You Want" glitch?

Another critical error is in the "1/2 inch analogue tape" remaster: there is an ugly digital transfer glitch approximately 2:46 into "What You Want", during the "I do, I do..." bit. It's prominent and ugly, audible (yuck! through headphones) and visible in a spectral view. This error was also present in the 2008 leak of the analogue tape variant, so Kevin/Sony has had (at least) 4 years to fix this.

http://thepowerofindependenttrucking.blogspot.com/2012/05/mbv-loveless-2012-remasters.html

Oh, well there it is. Now I hear it.

Finally ordered these from Amazon UK last night, now just waiting for them to get here.

You don't need headphones to hear that glitch in 'What You Want', it was pretty glaring when played through my computer monitor's speakers. Reminds me a bit of the famous glitch on Meat Puppets II.

You know what? I am resisting looking for it, because when I do I shall hear it forever. A bit like Liam gallagher's backing vocals on that Echo and the Bunnymen single.

I heard it when i was specifically listening for it with headphones; I didn't notice it when I played it LOUD through SPEAKERS and ROCKED OUT later on.

ts: the glitch vs the deathchord.

there is a brown note at 3:16 in soon

So basically, there's absolutely no reason to buy to new edition of "Loveless," right? It's just a louderized version of the old one, more or less? I haven't seen anything that's really indicated the "analog" version is terribly better/superior.

It's not like the Beatles or Sly Stone remasters, but I'm very glad I've got it.

I thankfully stopped myself from shelling out $26 or whatever for this.

Yeah, that's a fair bit to shell out for, i'll grant yz

The digital remaster is just a louder version of the original master, but to my ears the new remaster from original tapes has a fuller sound, with much less empahsis on the mid-range, and some boost on the bass.

At the moment there is the glitch problem on that one track though.

I will buy it if they release the analogue version on vinyl, but then I sold my CD and vinyl copies of Loveless a while ago when I saw prices were quite high for first editions.

Basically you can re-create this remaster by taking the original CDs you bought, ripping them to wave, and changing the volume. Or skip that and just change the volume on your stereo.

Don't you wish you could go back to August 2007 and let everyone on the thread know that the remasters are gonna be meh?

You can also recreate the OTHER Loveless remaster by asking Sony for the original tapes who will say they are lost, wait for several years, get in touch with Scotland Yard…

The "Isn't anything" remaster is significantly different, the EPs too.

Reminds me a bit of the famous glitch on Meat Puppets II.

― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:46 AM

whats the meat puppets 2 glitch

there's a big spike in the wave form shaped like a middle finger

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/loveless-reissue.php

Some funny stuff in there:
•On the second disc, mastered from the original half-inch analogue tapes, we can hear for the first time that the record's intricate feedback layers and inimitable swirls of tremolo-gliding guitar were digital mastering errors and My Bloody Valentine was actually a workmanlike third-wave ska band.

man, they really did make a good album that one time, huh?

yeh, Isn't Anything is awesome

Mine just arrived from Amazon.co.uk. Took a little longer than usual (8 days).

I need these... Dammit. I just forked over $50 a few months ago for the original Creation pressing of Loveless on LP. (Ned, that's a funny-ass piece; and Bilinda sure is swoonworthy in that photo.)

i used to think the Isn't Anything is as Good as Loveless claim was borderline challopsy, but these days I really believe it. Isn't Anything isn't as consistent as Loveless, but the peaks are higher, I think. (When You Wake) You're Still in a Dream is flabbergasting. It's so, so good.

i don't know that it isn't as consistent. i guess it isn't as consistent in tone? or as 'cohesive', maybe, what with loveless being just like one big pie. but isn't anything has that perfect pairing of the thrashy, moody stuff & the spacy moody stuff.

but yeah being able to non challopsingly claim that IA is as crucial as loveless is important & a sign of maturity & wisdom

whats the meat puppets 2 glitch

There's a glitch - maybe a physical warp - on the original SST master tape during 'Climbing' (I think it's the second verse?). When Derrick Bostrom remastered it for the reissues at the end of the '90s there wasn't much he could do about it, as far as I recall. So in it stayed. There's nothing about it in the liner notes.

"What You Want" 2m46s glitch clearly audible on Spotify (where it's labelled CD1 (2006 DAT), as per the erroneous packaging, *and*, semi-amusingly, both Loveless and Isn't Anything are listed as "2008").

Definitely prefer Isn't Anything. A lot of Loveless I just find kind of listless and annoying, I get especially irritated by those repetitive synthy parts on When You Sleep and I Only Said.

Awwwww.... listening to Off Your Face for the first time in years. I should get the EPs 1988-91. Got 17/24ths of it on vinyl but...what the hell.

Yeah re-listening to the EPs has totally re-ignited my love for Drive It All Over Me - scrabbly drums, dirty bass, sweet sweet melody. It's like some sort of lovely hybrid of the Shop Assistants and World Dom.

Actualy maybe it's the grotty bass playing that I miss most on Loveless.

I was biting my tongue all the way through that Thorpe article. Lost my shit completely when he started talking about tremolo arms.

'When You Sleep' is definitely my least-liked track, it just sounds like generic college rock to me. I love the sampler emulation of tremelo-bending in 'I Only Said' though.

Wasn't most of the rhythm section on Loveless Shields playing and sequencing? I would love to hear a version with Colm and Debbie playing their parts.

Yeah, it's all Shields on Loveless.

When You Wake... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When You Sleep

No More Sorry still chilling in a way nothing else they've done is.

That sinister edge is something else they left behind, alas no more knife-wielding girls on their record covers.

No More Sorry is the track that first drew me in to this band, I can't think of anything anyone has done like it.

That song is not a million miles away from some AR Kane stuff e.g. WOGS, but they don't quite have the same multi-tracked fast strumming thing going on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apXriUyMhzA

AR Kane also had a thing for young women with knives too.

The closest I've ever been able to describe the tone of the instruments in No More Sorry is of an orchestra tuning up in a cathedral with roadworks going on outside. I think the whole mood is just so bleak, dark, unsettling, menacing and odd.

It's all about the absence of body, isn't? Just the returns of the FX, not the source.

but yeah being able to non challopsingly claim that IA is as crucial as loveless is important & a sign of maturity & wisdom

I don't think IA is any better or worse than an Eric's Trip record on its own, but taken as a sketch for Loveless it's breathtaking. It's as if they identified all the human elements of IA-- "sexy" lyrics, Colm's juvenile drumming, distinguishable guitars, Sonic Youth-y dissonant chords, phrasing-- and bled them out of that record, replaced them with simpler structures, more brazen textural choices, to create something more stately.

When I first heard "Only Shallow" kick in as a teen, it seemed impenetrable. But listening to it after IA, it seems... well, simple, in a classical sort of way