tumblr rapper kitty pryde

this is bc of your own white privilege & constant justification of the status quo of discourse as if its a naturally occurring thing instead of the result of ppl's power relations etc.

you're not wrong about sasha per se, you're wrong about KP being some radical break w/ (a different) tradition. she raps like paul barman over the same beats main attrakionz have been using to banal wallpaper smedium internet success.

xxp 'the frontlines of teenhood' gtfo

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:48 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the first part of that is horseshit, and unless you can support it with stuff that i've said in this thread, it's contemptible that you'd feel the need to drag it in.

the second part i disagree with. i think it was easy for adult critics (mostly dudes) to relate to and appreciate paul barman's schtick. much less so kitty pryde's.

"merely"? you sure you don't mean "feebly"?

the paul barman comparison is abt her musical approach. there's nothing novel about her style that isn't also novel about sasha's in a different context

i haven't really made any big pronouncements about anything, though. i merely suggested that the POV articulated in this music might be alienating to adult male music critics due to simple cultural distance.

haha! i'm such a simpleton! i don't understand "simple cultural distance" between "my culture" and "teen culture".

how arrogant to assume that since i work day in and day out with teenagers i might know a thing or two about what they like or dislike or whether kitty pride "speaks for them"!

you contenderizer i don't see what's so civil about implying a bunch of posters are secretly sexist paedophiles because they think this girl is bullshit

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:46 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you misread something. i casually (jokingly) agreed that adult male fans of KP were creepier than the haters. in response to whiney calling her fans "paedo manchildren". otoh, i do suspect that knee-jerk sexism does play into the contempt that's habitually displayed by men for specifically female culture, and this is no exception.

contenderizer lacks so much self awareness that he cant see how his 'simple cultural distance' might actual inform his bias about the novelty of KP vs Sasha

oh i see it was a joke, what an idiot i am!

haha! i'm such a simpleton! i don't understand "simple cultural distance" between "my culture" and "teen culture".

how arrogant to assume that since i work day in and day out with teenagers i might know a thing or two about what they like or dislike or whether kitty pride "speaks for them"!

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:55 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're personalizing this in a very strange way. i haven't said anything about you specifically.

hahaha "female culture" i should ask my mom about kitty pryde tomorrow, maybe SHE can break it down for me

actually, dickhead, you specifically said i was arrogant

oh i see it was a joke, what an idiot i am!

no, what you missed was that i wasn't calling the haters paedophiles

Ayo contendo just fyi man you don't have deeply contemplate every single thing on the internet

oh whoops i missed it!

WTF is wrong with you? do you have some sort of short-term amnesia when you post to the internet?

actually, dickhead, you specifically said i was arrogant

i was referring primarily to your behavior in the other thread, something you brought up

once again the subtleties of your argument are beyond my simple mind

oh i see you weren't referring to me, you were referring to my behavior in the other thread

hahaha "female culture" i should ask my mom about kitty pryde tomorrow, maybe SHE can break it down for me

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so you don't think guys often shit on things for being too "girly", or for "chicks" or w/e?

ironically enough that's pretty much how the positive kudos for kitty pryde read too

well for starters a lot more of it actually quotes lyrics and attempts some contextualizing and appraisal of what's being said. that's a big advantage right there

ah yes, the in situ bildungsroman, highest form of art

your point? this isn't a value judgement. people post random alternatives and go "why isn't this completely different product awarded the same exact attention?". I think before you ask those questions is the right time to actually check out what you're talking about. I mean, we've got people actually using the beats as an example of why this is redundant.

other than that I really hope most of these people aren't still in this thread when I wake up tomorrow

my point is that you don't automatically score points for writing "a personal coming of age story" if you do it in a wack way

i think that, though neither is homogeneous, it would be hard to find two cultural groups in america with less in common, aesthetically and philosophically, than adult male music critics and teenage girls

nope no big pronouncements here

other than that I really hope most of these people aren't still in this thread when I wake up tomorrow

FINALLY some common ground on this thread

listening to everything teenagers tell you in a transparent effort to appear down is not the wave

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:16 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

my world of young ppl is being shattered over here

oh i see you weren't referring to me, you were referring to my behavior in the other thread

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:59 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sigh. you got all heated and seemed to imply that i was telling you how to feel about "teen culture". i wasn't. how you feel is your business. that's the strange personalization i was referring to.

honestly, if the worst thing i've said about your behavior itt is that it's been "arrogant", then i've been remarkably civil, given the provocation...

thats a pretty misleading reference 2 what 'my world of young ppl' was about xp

nope no big pronouncements here

yeah, that's a pronouncement. don't see it as terribly big or remarkable, but perhaps we differ there. okay...

contenderizer is it possible that your distance from teen female culture could be causing you to OVERRATE the significance of this song?

contenderizer lacks so much self awareness that he cant see how his 'simple cultural distance' might actual inform his bias about the novelty of KP vs Sasha

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:57 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, i understand the way my cultural positioning affects my perception. but i disagree that my cultural positioning invalidates my perception.

you know contendo, some people find condescension a lot more provocative than swearing, which is probably why people hate on you

so you don't think guys often shit on things for being too "girly", or for "chicks" or w/e?

no, certainly not people like j0rdan or d-40 or rev or whoever who are all over the r&b threads

no, i understand the way my cultural positioning affects my perception. but i disagree that my cultural positioning invalidates my perception.

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:07 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you dont realize this completely undermines your argument about us hating on this song

contenderizer is it possible that your distance from teen female culture could be causing you to OVERRATE the significance of this song?

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, definitely! that's part of what i meant when i talked earlier about it seeming to exist on a different planet. i don't necessarily think it's all that significant, fwiw. just strikingly novel.

you dont realize this completely undermines your argument about us hating on this song

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:09 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, because i'm not saying that you're wrong to hate it. i'm just saying that there might be equally good reasons to like it.

Enough people seem annoyed and angry to maybe get one of these songs into the ilx top 77. I'll try

thats a pretty misleading reference 2 what 'my world of young ppl' was about xp

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:05 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

that's honestly pretty much always how i had read your world of young ppl posts, though, dude. obviously it's not remotely the same situation but that's how a lot of your "i know lots of young women who really love nicki minaj" stuff came off to me.

unless your point is your world of collegiate club kids is way more legit that anyone's world of high school kids or w/e

i used to be a teen girl. pretty certain i would have thought kitty pryde was 1000 times more shitty then than i do now. maybe that's just age at work - more things qualify as mediocre, less as offensive garbage?

i don't think the audience for this is teen girls though, i think it's 20-something hipster guys.

"so you don't think guys often shit on things for being too 'girly', or for 'chicks' or w/e?"

no, certainly not people like j0rdan or d-40 or rev or whoever who are all over the r&b threads

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:07 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's no one in particular that i feel like taking shots at. but i do feel like i have encountered sexism in the evaluation of female pop personas on ILX (and been responsible for some of it myself).

it meant exactly the opposite, Al! 'my world' explicitly emphasizes the anecdotal nature of it! xxp

i don't think the audience for this is teen girls though, i think it's 20-something hipster guys.

hard to know, but if that winds up being the case, i'll be much less inclined to defend it

it reminds me of that "pink and purple" girly "cover" of the "black and yellow" song.

in terms of hipster appeal

instant clusterfuck, just add youtube girl

there was a clusterfuck about the "pink and purple" song? i thought it was cute.

no, i mean this thing (and LDR). i watched the pink and purple video cuz someone linked it here somewhere, but remember nothing about it. aside from, yeah, was cute.

oh i know, that's why i put it in quotes.

you misread something

i haven't really made ... i merely suggested

no, what you missed was ...

i was referring primarily to ...

that's part of what i meant when i said ...

no, because i'm not saying that you're wrong to hate it.

honestly contenderizer i don't get how you don't expect people to get pissed at you when you spend most of your time telling people that disagree w/ u that they're not understanding what you're saying, it's like really really really condescending and lame

but that girl was much younger, right? like 8?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/images/ic/credit/640x395/l/le/least_weasel/least_weasel_1.jpg

^^ this is you, contenderizer

i think that, though neither is homogeneous, it would be hard to find two cultural groups in america with less in common, aesthetically and philosophically, than adult male music critics and teenage girls

Tbh adult male rock critics are about as catty as teenage girls

pffft everyone is catty on the internet

so what am i supposed to do, man? you came at me hard (and in massive, full-flame condescension mode, btw), and kept reducing things i'd said to weird, distorted cartoons you could sneer at. so i tried to explain myself - speaking simply and struggling to avoid insult and condescension. if that's infuriating, then i'm at a loss.

Tbh adult male rock critics are about as catty as teenage girls

― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:24 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pffft everyone is catty on the internet

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:24 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

truth bomb

i think i'm just disappointed that kitty pryde isn't a flaming queer. like that name is perfect for a baby dyke with a brightly colored fauxhawk.