tumblr rapper kitty pryde

if you're getting all hot defending your privilege to throw an internet tantrum bc ppl like something you don't, u should just know in advance that it's nagl

think it's ridiculous seeing grown-ass music writers, the likes of whom may have championed, say, rock n roll, girl groups, pop punk, pop, etc, write off music for being too teenage, or imply it's inappropriate to see the relevance in it because you're too old. I mean, if you follow pop as an adult, then you're kind of being a manchild by that logic yourself

the real issue I think is some people find it outside of the boundaries of what they're equipped to write about anymore so it pisses them off

― Chris S, Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:45 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i write about lots of teen artists. good ones, who make good songs. acting like theres some kind of mysterious generational divide that grown folks cant possibly understand is bizarre.

if you're getting all hot defending your privilege to throw an internet tantrum bc ppl like something you don't, u should just know in advance that it's nagl

― Mordy, Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:07 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe YOURE the one throwing the internet tantrum ...! hmmmmmmmm

think it's okay to criticize music made by teenagers for being teenage, i think it's pretty clear that there's stuff "for kids" that reflects themes adults can relate to (finding nemo) and stuff "for kids" that's just bullshit for small minds (gi joe), similarly i think there's stuff by teenagers that has depth and stuff that doesn't

the idea that teenagers shouldn't be judged by adult standards is just ... teenage

i guess i'm kind of doing what chris s was complaining about, but stepping back and recusing myself instead of getting pissed off and hating. i think a lot of teen musical culture gets short shrift from adult critics, whether it be nu-metal, emo, drop-driven dubstep or "tumblr rap".

that's not particularly surprising. we like music when it affirms our values and aesthetics, dislike it when it doesn't. once we realize that our values and aesthetics are themselves open to question, it becomes very hard to say what's good or bad in any final sense. we're left only with "i like it" or "i don't", and that doesn't carry much weight beyond the circle of people who happen to share our point of view.

i can see exactly who might like this music and why. i can also see the vast gulf between that sensibility and my own. since i have no negative feelings toward planet teengirl as a culture, i don't hate this music. there are a few things about it that i appreciate, and a bunch that irritate me. mostly, though, i just see that it isn't for me.

or "tumblr rap".

this isnt actually a big popular movement like dubstep or emo tho. its critical circle jerk ish. kitty pryde isnt popular (yet)

you know what's crazy tho is there are like....teenage girls who are making good rap music and kitty pryde isn't one them

― The Reverend, Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:59 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i write about lots of teen artists. good ones, who make good songs.

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:08 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this strikes me as naive. you guys are just saying that there are teenage girls who make music that seems "good" according to your values, perhaps according to "established rap values" or w/e. that's fine, but it doesn't mean that other music can't be just as successful according to other standards.

i can see why intelligent people (especially teens, and perhaps especially teen girls) might view kitty pryde as "good" according to radically different criteria. i don't think that these other points of view are any less valid than that of rap experts - even when it comes to something that's ostensibly "rap music".

who am i to say my dog shouldn't eat his own poop? after all, he has radically different criteria than me.

this strikes me as naive. you guys are just saying that there are teenage girls who make music that seems "good" according to your values, perhaps according to "established rap values" or w/e. that's fine, but it doesn't mean that other music can't be just as successful according to other standards.

i can see why intelligent people (especially teens, and perhaps especially teen girls) might view kitty pryde as "good" according to radically different criteria. i don't think that these other points of view are any less valid than that of rap experts - even when it comes to something that's ostensibly "rap music".

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:15 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is moronic bro. im just arguing that this mystical 'teenness' doesn't make them any more immune from critical analysis than any other style of music.

lol i should have just let V have that one

what did churchill say?

"if you're young and rockist you don't have a heart, if you're old and popist you don't have a brain"

i'm just kidding, obv there are old popists (who used to post on this board) who i respect

i just think its ironic, i used to argue for radical subjectivity too, then i met the lex

this isnt actually a big popular movement like dubstep or emo tho. its critical circle jerk ish. kitty pryde isnt popular (yet)

oh i know, that's why i put it in quotes. she does seem to be generating page hits and interest, and that's p much the contemporary version of popular. i think it's likely that more kids have watched her videos than adults/critics, and that more kids than adults genuinely like and relate to her music.

who am i to say my dog shouldn't eat his own poop? after all, he has radically different criteria than me.

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:16 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, but if you're inclined to view teen girl culture in terms of dogs eating their own poop, then maybe (just maybe) you're not really equipped to be critiquing this sort of music

"teen girl culture"

obviously sir you know nothing about the teenage girl, her likes and dislikes and particular listening habits.

anyway eating poop was more sort of a reference to reading yr posts

really digging this new poop mixtape

"teen girl culture"

well yeah. that's where this music is coming from, what it deal with, and what it seems made for: middle class, american, internet-addled teen culture (girl variety).

you know i actually know a couple hundred teenage girls and i doubt more than 25% of them would be into this mainly because it's not serious enough

Did I read correctly that Kitty is in college?

im just arguing that this mystical 'teenness' doesn't make them any more immune from critical analysis than any other style of music.

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:17 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

o sure. i just think that this music would probably be best analyzed by people who have a specific fondness for, understanding of and interest in teen culture. i.e., teens & especially teenage girls.

you know i actually know a couple hundred teenage girls and i doubt more than 25% of them would be into this mainly because it's not serious enough

25% is pretty good! i doubt that most of the music i like best would be enjoyed by more than 10% of the bitter old collector nerd cranks out there.

This music lacks discipline, but anything that agitates adult music fans is automatically a good thing.

well yeah. that's where this music is coming from, what it deal with, and what it seems made for: middle class, american, internet-addled teen culture (girl variety).

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:28 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so far it seems more like its made for music writers bc those are the only people i see reacting to it

banaka otm as usual

people who have a specific fondness for, understanding of and interest in teen culture. i.e., teens & especially teenage girls.

gonna update my resume w/ this

so the other 75% of teen girls, what culture are they in

o sure. i just think that this music would probably be best analyzed by people who have a specific fondness for, understanding of and interest in teen culture. i.e., teens & especially teenage girls.

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:29 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but u dont understand ... i just posted, on fader, the exact same day, about a teenage girl who raps. and shes not gracing the ny times today. why do u think that is?

i mean 25% of the teen girls i know basically just listen to the beatles and stones and dylan, does that prove the beatles and stones and dylan were made for them?

actually they sort of were! and yet that doesn't stop many white critics from liking them?

things that make you go HM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s2WZv0MXm4

i guess those other 75% have been sucked in by what older people think is important and what teenage girls should listen to, unlike the kitty pryde fans that represent the real teen girl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LV4VpYicCE

isnt this TEEN GIRL CULTURE & why isnt it getting full writeups in natl publications??

btw i'm not saying it should, im just curious if anyone thinks theres something SO NOVEL about KP's music that it's earned this kind of attention

Did I read correctly that Kitty is in college?

yeah, articles about her have elided her real age. she talks abt being 16 in "justin bieber", but i get the feeling that she's at least a few years older.

so the other 75% of teen girls, what culture are they in

same culture and different cultures at the same time. no culture is truly unitary, especially not one so vast as "teenage girls in america". and people are different, no surprise.

so tell me, if its no surprise then why do you keep saying dumb shit about "teen culture"

you're like that idiot i knew in high school who would claim all of his errors were actually rhetorical stratagems and socratic method

isnt this TEEN GIRL CULTURE & why isnt it getting full writeups in natl publications??

i'd say that the 2nd most obvious reason is that it's familiar music that succeeds according to the established rules of rap as a genre. there's nothing terribly novel about it.

don't want to get into the 1st most obvious reason, as i don't think it would benefit the thread.

benefit the thread? come on, don't break your streak now.

Ok, so she's in college and at least 16. Glad to hear that young kids are making music now. I'll send a letter to Alex Chilton in his grave to let him know.

so tell me, if its no surprise then why do you keep saying dumb shit about "teen culture"

that we can identify cultural groups doesn't mean they're unitary. and i think that, though neither is homogeneous, it would be hard to find two cultural groups in america with less in common, aesthetically and philosophically, than adult male music critics and teenage girls.

i'd say that the 2nd most obvious reason is that it's familiar music that succeeds according to the established rules of rap as a genre. there's nothing terribly novel about it.

now who's the 'rap expert'

benefit the thread? come on, don't break your streak now.

hey, look: i've been civil and positive all the way through. if you've got something to say, then say it. i'm not pushing for any kind of clusterfuck here.

sometimes i wish an ilxor would be like: 'i don't understand how anything works, i don't know why anyone including me really likes anything, the void is infinite and stretches before me i'm afraid" cause that would be preferable to this exchange

jeez mordy step away from the computer already

xp

ok, here's what i have to say: you keep making ~BIG PRONOUNCEMENTS~ about subjects like ~TEENAGE GIRL CULTURE~ based on ideation rather than any actual experience and iirc i called you out about this on another thread

i mean sorry if you don't like it but getting called on your bullshit is rarely a pleasant experience

the other artists brought up in this thread and youtube'd in this thread to suggest "this, on the other hand, is good" don't do anything of the same personal coming of age diary sort, and whether you think kp is complete dog shit or not no critics here seem capable of asking or answering why this particular person gets more appreciation than other teenage white blog music girls who don't, like all they can say is "this is embarassing", "this is a fashion mag CONSPIRACY", there's no critical thought into it, no willingness to argue about the music itself, the message, the point of view this person is coming from, only generalized bullshit about teen culture drawn from their own past. embarassing.

now who's the 'rap expert'

don't claim any expertise. as i see it, sasha go hard's approach is much more in line with the loosely defined, quality-defining "rules" of rap as a genre than KP's. if i'm wrong in that, let me know.

i think whats novel abt her was touched upon upthread.

reporting believably from the frontlines of teenhood while being smart enough to reflect and joke about it in a genuinely funny and touching way

also idk y old ppl (including myself in this) cannot relate, the themes are p universal adolescence stuff & uncertainty & playfulness just updated 2 include the weirdness of the internet also

you contenderizer i don't see what's so civil about implying a bunch of posters are secretly sexist paedophiles because they think this girl is bullshit

there's no critical thought into it, no willingness to argue about the music itself, the message, the point of view this person is coming from, only generalized bullshit about teen culture drawn from their own past. embarassing.

ironically enough that's pretty much how the positive kudos for kitty pryde read too