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i mean i'm sure Futurama fans watch the new eps on Comedy Central and go HAHA FUCK YOU FOX but i don't think Murdoch really gives a shit as long as Groening is happy driving the Simpsons money train

Oh, come on, all American sitcoms run too many seasons. I'd be happy if they were all cut down to 13.

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Oh, I wouldn't pretend that this act in and of itself is gonna sink the ship. It's just, as you say, one among many displays suggesting that the execs at NBC don't know what the fuck they're doing.

some dude, I think it's fair to say that most television execs don't give shit one about the shows they air. As has been noted before elsewhere, TV shows are just ways to fill time and keep people's attention between commercials. But as viewership goes down, so does ad revenue. Execs most definitely care about things like that. At any rate, comparing the potential loss of these shows in the context of NBC's current state and Fox's loss of Futurama is kinda apples and oranges.

i dunno, i feel like it's just some very forced schadenfreude to act like NBC is going to be screwed BECAUSE of this and not because of a hundred other much bigger reasons

no one is saying this

What is the combined audience for these shows? Comparable to "Girls" plus "Veep" or something? 3 mil?

is anyone considering the possibility that this might actually be a good move for nbc

'cancel failing shows' isn't really that far-fetched of an idea

these shows aren't doing appreciably worse than any of their other terrible shows though.

as i said upthread, if any of their pile of new pilots stick they could laugh this all off, but i don't know how announcing that you're jettisoning your most hailed shows in a year in and of itself can be a good move.

doesn't look like they really care anymore about appealing to audiences that care about a show's acclaim though. this looks like a hail mary to capture the masses that watch CBS, which the thursday night lineup could never do. can't really blame NBC for trying to stay alive.

and if they're trying to move away from the network-tv-for-tumblrers brand, the jettisoning might not be a bad idea at all.

wait, if an audience doesn't care about a show's acclaim, why would they care that a network has announced its cancelling all the critically popular shows? surrounding these shows with a bunch of CBS shit and then kicking the nerds out when they pale in the ratings I get, but I don't know what audience will appreciate an "all-clear in a year".

for the same reason anyone does anything with regard to 'branding'? the brand wasn't working, audiences were avoiding it, they're changing the brand. that's all.

brand brand brand

- don madman from the critically acclaimed series 'mda men'

again, i am not questioning the decision to be CBS II with more multi-camera shit (other than the fact that ABC is actually having some success with single camera sitcoms and will probably love this move to abandon brains entirely), I questioned the decision to declare that brains have a year to get out.

because nerds are losers and everyone wants them to feel bad

even nerds, judging by this thread

oh definitely

If they're desperate to be seen as non-nerdy, ending all these shows immediately would seem the smoother move than to risk giving them a whole year to damage PR and sign deals with other networks while Matthew Perry's "Go Away" tanks, but then NBC has consistently found "goodbye" to be the hardest word.

ending all these shows immediately would seem the smoother move than to risk giving them a whole year to damage PR

very strange opinion

i guess you missed conan/leno

that was a pretty different situation

i mean maybe nbc misses having employees badmouthing them in the press while taking meetings

do you remember what a nightmare it was when they let Chuck have a season to end the show and the whole season was just Chuck shitting on a picture of Jennifer Salke.

you guys realize we're talking about the entire NBC thursday night line-up and not a single show on the weekend right?

People are going to whine about the shows being canceled either way, but fans really don't like it when shows get canceled before an ending is written (see Deadwood, My So Called Life, Freaks and Geeks, etc.).

yes, that is probably the logic nbc has. a logic dependent on these shows going to heaven rather than taking meetings. they also thought leno would say thank you and in five years float to heaven.

community has been on the brink of cancellation forever? parks and rec took a several month hiatus this year? both tina fey and alec baldwin have said that they didnt want to extend their contracts? this doesnt feel like enough of a surprise to be "controversial" or "a bad pr move"

Looking at this from another angle: even if you don't see the 'cancellation' writing on the wall, I guarantee that the casts and crews of these shows are considering that very likely possibility. Even if NBC did decide to give the shows more than one season, it's likely that the creative teams will be so fragmented at that point that it won't be an option (see: fragmentation in the Community production team in the past week alone). It really might be worth it for NBC to go full-on scorched earth rather than saddle themselves with a whole night's worth of shows whose creative teams slowly split up/give increasingly less of a shit.

thinking da croupier might have placed a lot of money on "six seasons and a movie." he might be in trouble.

let me see if i can make this clearer. nbc has some cult comedies, a hit reality show or two, and a lot of shows no one cares about. they've just announced that the cult comedies will be cancelled (or really, kicked off NBC) in a year. the surprise is not that any of these shows are on the chopping block, but that NBC has decided to announce their EVENTUAL demise EN MASSE. NBC, the network that has regularly been bit in the ass by doing this very thing.

a logic dependent on these shows going to heaven rather than taking meetings.

oh no, not meetings!

they also thought leno would say thank you and in five years float to heaven.

You can keep bringing this up all you want but it isn't applicable here. Leno made an announcement on his show that he was leaving, and Conan signed a contract, and the networked reneged. These sitcoms don't even have full season guarantees. Plus, live television is dangerous for the network in a way that scripted television isn't. If they don't like Community episodes they can just bury them. They couldn't do that with Conan.

but that NBC has decided to announce their EVENTUAL demise EN MASSE

btw this hasn't actually happened yet.

NBC, the network that has regularly one time been bit in the ass by doing this very thing something that wasn't much like this.

i can't tell if i'm dealing with pedantry or obtuseness. i am not saying this is the death knell for nbc, but a familiar and avoidable source of embarrassment for them. they tell their talent that they're getting the boot after an awkward grace period, and, with the exception of chuck which was grateful for what it could get, they hoot and holler that they're the best thing on nbc and threaten to go to a network that would be happy to have them. nbc freaks out and everyone's got egg on their face.

whose creative teams slowly split up/give increasingly less of a shit.

Dan Harmon and Mike Schur still seem like they give a shit to me.

btw this hasn't actually happened yet.

i wondered about the "rumor" element too, but i think NBC would have dropped a "woah woah WOAH, we're only canceling 30 rock" by now if it wasn't the case

but a familiar and avoidable source of embarrassment for them.

You are saying that canceling these shows immediately without letting them write endings would be less embarrassing than the alternative, and I am saying you're wrong. That isn't pedantry or obtuseness.

but i think NBC would have dropped a "woah woah WOAH, we're only canceling 30 rock" by now if it wasn't the case

That isn't how it works.

NBC, the network that has regularly been bit in the ass by doing this very thing last in the ratings because of the consistently stupid shit that they do.

Fixed?

You are saying that canceling these shows immediately without letting them write endings would be less embarrassing than the alternative

if their goal is to wash their hands of the nerdfest they've currently got, yes.

the politics & business of network tv is def one of the stranger things ilx is into

ha otm

go read a bronies thread then

washing their hands of the nerdfest

I'm into it by proxy because the vagaries of suits dictate what winds up on TV. Having some idea of how this stuff works and why certain things happen the way they do helps alleviate a little of the frustration when things go pear-shaped with shows I enjoy.

but this is like if ilx had actual bronies on it

poly i was clearly responding to zachlyon's "re-branding" comments when i noted maybe they should just rip the band-aid off if that's the case

it's hard to believe that a bunch of music journalists and film journalists would be interested in television journalism.

First, you must establish measurable criteria for celebrity.

Everyone that's been divorced twice is a monster, I'm glad they are finally getting called out on the carpet, don't stop speaking out Josh

tbf will arnett IS a monster

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Just look at him....I pity those kids

i had a feeling and i just checked -- it was oct of last year that kim and thurston announced that they were splitting up
does this have to happen once a year or something? geez.

Susan Sarandon & Tim Robbins split in 2009. Who was it in 2010?

i stopped believing in love when eva longoria and tony parker couldn't make it work