think it's gonna go down like this:
licensed - 6PB - 4CYH - 5illco - 2nasty - 3other - 0
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:03 (twelve years ago) link
'I Don't Know' was one of the 2 HN tracks I voted for, thanks in part to Vegemite Girl reminding me of it on this thread.
― pandemic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:03 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah that's Picture This, with Luscious Jackson.
you are confused imo.
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:04 (twelve years ago) link
"I Don't Know" is on my ballot too.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:09 (twelve years ago) link
yeah "picture this" has brooke williams not luscious jackson... was just listening to it!
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:11 (twelve years ago) link
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:09 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:13 (twelve years ago) link
Good bass line too.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:15 (twelve years ago) link
They're being sued by Trouble Funk now.
More accurately, they're being sued by the label that now owns the rights to Trouble Funk's recordings.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago) link
hello nasty is so weird, it's one of their most diverse albums stylistically, covering every impulse they dabbled in up to that point, yet still sounds integrated and of a whole
also feels way more controlled than CYH or IC, like they're effortlessly steering this massive musicmaking starship through the universe
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
I got some shit right here, if you could <bleurgghhhhhh>I hooked my turntable to a wah wah pedal
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
well colour me wrong, i always thought it was one of the luscious who sang on picture this...
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
no punk songs on hello nasty.
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:29 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
also, in looking out to other pop styles and back at their own career, nasty seems the least tied to a particular moment in time. not "timeless" (i'll reserve that adjective for licensed to ill), but still surprisingly fresh sounding, ditching the weedhead rap-rock oppressiveness of CYH and illco. the only aspect of its sound i might call dated are the cibo matto-esque psychedelic indie pop touches, and i like those too much to complain.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
i think that was the most mindblowing thing for me, at 16 upon first putting on Ill Communication and hearing Tough Guy and thinking "Woah, I thought this was a rap band!"
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
weedhead rap-rock oppressiveness
― i will show you fear in a handful of nuts (how's life), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
isn't 33% god purely the dust brothers work?
― the late great, Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:44 (twelve years ago) link
Hello Nasty was the first major incident of eighties-retro that I can remember. The music press made a big deal out of it; a hole "remember the 80s" spread in Select etc... Although now the influence seems quite muted.
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:45 (twelve years ago) link
*whole
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:46 (twelve years ago) link
i love check your head, but there's definitely a broishness there that they scrape away completely for hello nasty
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
Hello Nasty was the first major incident of eighties-retro that I can remember.
Maybe you missed Elastica?
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:49 (twelve years ago) link
The Menace? I never listened to it.
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:49 (twelve years ago) link
who's doing the "it's the joint" vocal?
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
Weirdly great indie-lounge song from Hello Nasty I'd forgotten all about until yesterday: 'Song for the Man'. Have had it in my head all day so I gave it the #20 spot on my ballot.
― Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:52 (twelve years ago) link
xxpost If you mean the first album and the Wire influence, that's something that never really went away. Blur were also doing a few 80s new wave things, but it was Hello Nasty's old-skool vibe that I remember kicking off the whole eighties nostalgia wave that marked the following decade. Jurassic 5 were also part of that I guess, and then the resurgence in 80s rap led to electro and breakdance etc...
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
CYH and, to a lesser extent, IC both seemed like they were about joining the Beasties' gang; like by buying, listening, and getting into those records you became a Beastie Boy friend by proxy, one of the guys they were hanging out with on the back of IC, or one of the people in the photos in the sleeve of CYH.
Hello Nasty seemed like the gang had gone, and they were ready to be friendly with the whole world. Or something.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
Song For The Man was on my ballot. Love the ending; totally incongruous (with the Beastie Boys I knew up to then), and totally great.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:55 (twelve years ago) link
Song for the Man is like an alternate universe in where Smashmouth have got ahold of themselves.
― i will show you fear in a handful of nuts (how's life), Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:55 (twelve years ago) link
xxpost If you mean the first album and the Wire influence, that's something that never really went away. Blur were also doing a few 80s new wave things
I debated including Blur there as well, but Elastica was the first band to really sell it...from the mode of dress, to the album cover, and so on. I guess you could argue they were mining the very late 70s, but it essentially had 80s written all over it.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:56 (twelve years ago) link
maybe makes sense to distinguish between 70s/80s retro in rock/punk/new wave, and the same in hip hop and dance music
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
late 70s & early-mid 80s, i mean
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:01 (twelve years ago) link
beck's odelay had begun to dig into hip hop as a retro genre a couple years before hello nasty though ("ooh, la la, sassoon")
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
thanks to the dust brothers, one supposes
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
Song For The Man also great, if a bit sycophantic/hypocritical in the light of Licensed to Ill
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
sounds like thurston moore is singing it
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
he's not, but he might
CYH and, to a lesser extent, IC both seemed like they were about joining the Beasties' gang; like by buying, listening, and getting into those records you became a Beastie Boy friend by proxy, one of the guys they were hanging out with on the back of IC, or one of the people in the photos in the sleeve of CYH.Hello Nasty seemed like the gang had gone, and they were ready to be friendly with the whole world. Or something.― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:54 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:54 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, this is so true. I know this sounds funny, but Ill Communication had such an impact on me when I first heard it as a depressive indie kid. It was the first time I thought, "hey, dorky white guys can also be cool" and I remember feeling on top of the world for the first time in a very long time.
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
re: song for the man... they'd been apologizing for licensed to ill for many years when they made hello nasty
hypocritical or y'know just growing up
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
true, true. They still got flack for it. Especially at Reading when they told the Prodge not to play Smack My Bitch Up.
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
I would've told prodigy not to play for entirely different reasons
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
The Prodigy and the Beastie Boys were my two favourite bands at that time and to see them in succession was like a dream come true. Sadly the Prodigy were complete dross, but the Boys killed it!
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
they'd been apologizing for licensed to ill for many years when they made hello nasty
speaking of licensed to ill, it's funny to me that i had paul's boutique and check your head duking it out upthread for the beastie's single moment of time-capsule brilliance. it seems so obvious that it always has been and (probably) always will be LTI. so obvious, maybe, that it's easy to forget. like it's not even a question. the only question is what comes next.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
I was 13 when "Fight for Your Right" hit the radio, and if there's ever been a more perfect marriage of song and age I could barely imagine it.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
I was talking about Beastie Boys with someone the other day and they pointed out that I'd completely forgotten LTI. I always do.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
I don't really like Licensed To Ill, save a couple of songs. This is entirely down to the snare sound giving me a headache. There, I said it.
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
I do like their punk tracks on Aglio I Olio and Some Old Bullshit though.
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
I think if you weren't around/culturally aware when License to Ill broke it doesn't have nearly the impact. As far as my actual cultural experience of the Beasties its all about my delinquent cousin being into Check Your Head, the "Sabotage" video, the massive ubiquity of Hello Nasty (the album everyone could love) and getting high and really really into Paul's Boutique in college (like ~10+ years after the original release). For a huge swath of younger Beasties fans, LTI is a footnote.novelty record. One song (might) make my ballot.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
'Song For The Man' apart from the vocals sounds like a Blur b side to me. I don't mean that in a bad way, I love Blur b sides.
― pandemic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
The plinky plonk piano reminds me of Madness as well actually.
― pandemic, Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah Licensed To Ill sounded pretty corny and outdated when I first heard it - I grew to like it but I'd still rank it below the four that followed.
― Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
sample from Funky 4+1's That's The Joint
― city worker, Thursday, 10 May 2012 15:20 (twelve years ago) link