STEVE ALBINI

Whoops, I meant to say: "another thing that is interesting is:"

I think it's more like "don't get bogged down worrying about what other people will think" which makes more sense to me.

His Big Black tour diary, linked on that reddit page, is a bit, um, o_O

YEAH yeah you're right. I read it wrong. It did seem pretty anti-social.

xp I kind of love that tour diary for the light that it shines on stuff happening thousands of miles away from me when I was seven years old, but at this point it's kind of perfect that ppl are reading it from a link on Reddit

His comment abour reading/playing scrabble while doing takes was pretty interesting. On the handful of recorsing experiences I've had, esp during the mixing process, yr ears def get fried intensely listening to play backs over and over.

I recorded with Steve recently and he was reading Peter Morris's "A Game of Inches", an inside baseball history. And I can attest that he always noticed if someone flubbed a part or whatever.

"Albini said she eats nothing but potatoes"
stuff like this is pretty interesting! (to me, anyway) i liked his description of KK Null's natto feast. ian mackaye seems really touchy when people ask about his eating habits, though.

i hadn't see him express regret about the pixies comments before

he was sort of apologetic in a recent tape op interview too. albini, so mellow.

what's weird is that i always thought he was fucking around in the first place. like meaningless shit talk for laughs, you know? the fact that he describes it now as mean-spirited sincerity, rather than straight-up trolling, is a bit disappointing.

I always figured he was serious, pixies don't seem like his thing

yeah, i guess not. he did good work for them, though, and they helped put one another on the map.

yeah i dunno, that album sounds great but i expect the pixies were going places either way and i think steve would have done just fine either way....also shit is like almost 30 years ago, it must be weird to be held to all these things you said that long ago

sometimes ILXor & my little dog loutallica partner chr1s b just got back from recording w/steve and sounds like it was the best experience ever, basically

sweet!
re; the pixies, whenever i read interviews with him now, it seems like it's beside the point for him whether he likes the bands he's recording or not.
also, he's got a long-running working relationship w/ kim deal it seems, they must like each other personally.

It was! He even said something nice about our band in the Reddit! Ha!

It was not better then making "Little Dog" fwiw, that experience was way more honest

read him say somewhere (believe it was in the 33 1/3 Spiderland book) that he's regretful about some of his behavior in the early recording days. mentioned Surfer Rosa and Tweez as examples of albums he kind of arrogantly imposed his "vision" upon instead of giving the band what they wanted. also, he was doing pranky/creepy things like mic'ing break room conversations.

xp as good as albini is, i don't think he's ever created a whole new planetary system w/ one of his recordings.

It was not better then making "Little Dog" fwiw, that experience was way more honest

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i mean, EA is a nice studio, but he can't duplicate my signature "Um Jammer Lammy promotional Fernandez travel guitar plugged direct into outdated ProTools" guitar sound

thanks for that link markers, I'm loving this

I learned to make records by being in punk rock bands, and those bands weren't interested in anybody else's opinion on their music, and actively resisted anybody trying to press the point. I started out making records that way and just carried on.

and actively resisted anybody trying to press the point

press what point...they don't like punk or noisy stuff, so what

what exactly is there to resist, I wonder

resist engineers making bad brains sound like foghat, which apparently was going on a lot at the time.
(this is apparently still going on)

i can't imagine steve really respecting anyone who didn't have a chip on their shoulder

I think one reason Albini has mellowed is that at just about 50 he's made it over the sell-out hump. That is, he's secure enough and successful enough that at the stage many of his peers must be scrambling to support the second half of their careers/lives, he doesn't need to hustle. He's made it this far without doing anything stupid, he's in a committed pseudo-marriage, he's got a good business, a good reputation, and he's done it all (cue the music) his way. I'd be pretty sanguine, too.

surfer rosa & tweez, albums that would not be as good as they are if albini hadn't imposed his vision on them - I would think that this might cause him to question the aesthetic he arrived at ("hands off") tbh

I dunno, as a sort of aesthete I can imagine him finding flaws in things that "work" because they deviate from his standard.

Josh, can you elucidate on his 'pseudo' marriage? Intrigued.

Oh, nothing special. He's just been in a committed, very long term relationship with someone who he is not married to. But she is practically his wife, common-law stylee.

But what it boils down to is I actually think marriage matters. I actually think being married to somebody is important. And doing it out of some sense of momentum or nonchalant sort of obligation seems silly to me. It's the sort of thing that you should undertake quite seriously. And I don't think it's the hallmark of a relationship that it's "marriage-worthy." I think relationships can exist inside or outside of marriage, and I feel like the marriage can -- the wedding can occur at any point in a marriage as far as I'm concerned, you know? And if you gave people the option, everybody would ask for one of those really good fifty-year marriages. That's the kind of marriage everybody wants; they want one of them grow-old-together marriages. But you can't order 'em like that. You get a marriage and then you wake up fifty years later and realize you got one of the good ones. And I just see that as a continuous process, and I don't see any real rush to have a ceremony. I feel like the ceremony can happen anywhere along the line.

From interview with Mark Prindle.

(Quite sure they're married since that interview.)

2009, I guess:

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The interesting thing afaic is his repeated insistence to "make music for yourself, not for others" which is some strange dogma that I can't comprehend

This is 100% true gospel dogma whatever you want to call it. You HAVE to make music for yourself. I mean it's kind of a selfish thing and kind of an ego trip but so is getting in front of a group of people and saying "Stand right there and watch me make these sounds for an hour!" At the end of the day, the only audience you have is you. Your popularity will go in waves, there will be shows where you are playing and nobody gives a shit, or nobody shows up, and you have to be able to deal with it. And if you are not making music for yourself then at that moment you will feel a psychic shock of worthlessness and you may as well just be working in an office, at least you'll be making some decent money.

Super looking forward to those interviews, btw! Thanks for the link.

adam otm, all you can really do is trust your gut and hope a few other people have somewhat similar guts

i love that photo.
he looks sooo happy.
he played the game his way, and he got what he wanted.
lucky b*stard.
re the cancer post : well, i could not read it for a few days for obvious reasons, but yesterday i did, and i'm glad.
our situation was very different, but still, was wonderfully open and honest.

I always read about him talking shit about the Pixies but ive never really read any of those old interviews. Does anyone have any links? I'm pretty curious, all the interviews i can find are more recent.

http://michaeldempster.com/post/1256694678

http://www.dementlieu.com/users/obik/arc/other/kreuzen_fe10.html

In the 1960s and '70s, the left began to recognize that internal political debate was being hampered by crippling "revolutionary" circumspectness -- couching every "he" as a "he or she," Referring to mankind as "humankind," trying to be inclusive in every way to everyone. It was ridiculous -- to the left -- and so the phrase "political correctness" was coined to make fun of this awkward, stilted, revolution-speak language.

So, when someone would speak normally, and one of the forbidden language forms or pronouns was used, someone else -- as a joke -- would chime in with "that's not P.C."

It was a way for the Left to make fun of itself in a way that it needed to and deserved. Most importantly, it recognizes overtly that the trivia that dogmatists might criticize are unimportant. It was a joke that made a moderate, sensible point of critique within the Left.

The Right took hold of the term, using it to ridicule earnest attempts to make discourse more civil or policy more responsible, painting them with the same brush as the myopic, dogmatic revolution-speak it was originally intended to make light jest of.

It is now assumed by the general public that this notion of "politically correct" speech was a serious one, and that the left tried to impose it on others, and that it is an example of the Left overreaching in social areas. This is patent bullshit, and I am disgusted that nobody who wasn't around at the time recognizes it. Using the term reinforces the success of this right-wing propaganda move, and I hate it.

I hate orchestrated right-wing propaganda moves.

I love the Shellac song "Ghosts". Did anything in particular inspire it or is there anything interesting about it you can share with us?

Just had the idea that if you could conjure ghosts it would be a pretty terrible power. Like you could just make somebody dead and a ghost just like that. Or take a regular dead person and make him a restless specter forced to roam the earth forever. And if the person with that power was a little girl, just amusing herself by making ghosts like she was making paper dolls or whatever. How cute and also horrible that would be. And then what kind of people would she do that to? Maybe a historical figure she learned about in school or another kid from the neighborhood or somebody from TV...

^^^love this, probably my fav shellac lyrics and i appreciate the insight

surfer rosa & tweez, albums that would not be as good as they are if albini hadn't imposed his vision on them - I would think that this might cause him to question the aesthetic he arrived at ("hands off") tbh

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this is sort of interesting to me--i think steve is still imposing his vision tbh, you can recognize his recordings instantly. maybe it's more like these days you know what you're getting if you record with him?

i think he's just more inclined to slip his vision in through the back door when no one's looking

It's a little like the Dogme 95 folks not imposing their vision with recorded music, fake lights, etc.--when of course you can spot a Dogme 95 movie from a block away.

to be honest i can't hear any sonic difference between surfer rosa and doolittle -- maybe it's the MP3s?
the stooges album sounded like a regular high-gloss rock album.

In a way yeah he seems more like an engineer, someone who knows how to get a good sound and use the right mics. He says thats lots of times producers are responsible for you know, hiring a saxophone or crafting the arrangement or basically co-writing the song as recording. On Surfer he suggested a tempo change and pushed for the in-studio sounds ("You effing die!") but you get the sense he thinks of his job as simply getting the best sonic representation of a song/band. This is why he doesn't take royalties, I'm sure with his work ethic, if he was laying down synth patterns and extra instruments and stuff, he'd want credit.

The difference is between scaled-down multi-track analog and like a far more expensive 24-channel digital system. If you can't tell the difference then I'd say he did a pretty terrific job!

it also matters a lot who mixes the record and who they're answering to/who they feel their obligation is to (label vs. artist vs. themselves vs. idk "posterity" or something) -- mix is 1) an entirely different discipline from recording/engineering and 2) absolutely as important as the recording itself. I don't know who mixed those Pixies records but that'd be where I'd look most for differences.

surfer rosa was all albini. doolittle was a gil norton production but some other dude mixed it

http://thequietus.com/articles/13250-steve-albini-interview-rapeman-shellac

The most amazing thing is that he says he tried to get Bill Withers to play ATP...BILL WITHERS!!...The guy has gone up a billion fold in my estimations...just too bizarre...my mind has been blown...

http://m.imgur.com/a/p0tKn

^^^Must read bit o' epistolary history.

I heard about Albini's admiration of Bill Withers several years back. It makes sense, with Withers' mostly stripped-down production (at least on early albums), his down-to-earth demeanor, posing for the covers with his lunchbox on break from work. There's also a great story in the James Brown book about how Brown was having a diva fit on a small plane on the way to the Rumble In The Jungle concert in Zaire, until Withers pulled a gigantic hunting knife on Brown to tell him to STFU. Badass!