refrain, whatever. yeah it is not much of a hook
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 May 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRv6vRm9ZgiecdqgFHkDbT5eHnYN2DmQNFC0xaT5SMNyNmu_1Fwish i had pete sampras' game with andre agassi's style and speedt-e-n-n-i-sjohn mcenroe and jimmy connor (don't feel bad)you still mean a lot to the gamehttps://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRv6vRm9ZgiecdqgFHkDbT5eHnYN2DmQNFC0xaT5SMNyNmu_1Fi see the united states red white and bluebut all i see nowisred white and greenhttps://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRv6vRm9ZgiecdqgFHkDbT5eHnYN2DmQNFC0xaT5SMNyNmu_1F
― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Friday, 4 May 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
geir shut the fuck up. your mind is too dreary of a place to share it with us
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 4 May 2012 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
:: hugs ::
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 4 May 2012 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
at least the video is awesome
― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Friday, 4 May 2012 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
almost as good as this videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EeSuuCwaQ4
― Jamie_ATP, Friday, 4 May 2012 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
I'm sure "worst song ever" was leveled at The Beach Boys Love You also.
― timellison, Friday, 4 May 2012 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
The lyrics scan like they were written by someone, freshly out of a 30-year-coma, as part of the cognitive therapy routine they've undertaken to compensate for extensive brain damage.
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 4 May 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
it is a close battle, admittedly
― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Friday, 4 May 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
this song could be worse, honestly.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 4 May 2012 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, May 4, 2012 6:45 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
so "beach boys love you" basically
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 4 May 2012 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
Or someone's reactionary characterization of Beach Boys Love You, perhaps.
― timellison, Friday, 4 May 2012 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
This isn't that bad. I can see this song and video working well at Chuck E. Cheese and similar types of venues.
― Pat Finn, Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:49 (twelve years ago) link
Could there be some possibility this is actually the truth.... Hmmmmmm.... ;)
(Yeah, the lyrics are horrid, but musically, Brian Wilson is still head and shoulders above the rest of the Beach Boys)
― The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago) link
God Radio is pretty bland but that Cavalier King Charles Spaniel song is seriously the #1 thing of youtube I will playing from now on. It is probably going to be as bad as my 2008 obsession with Ode to Massachusettshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqvjfWawZcEFREEDOMFREEDOMFREEEDOM
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:57 (twelve years ago) link
But is there a need for this type of music anymore, Geir? Why wouldn't Brian Wilson want to use his new found lucidity to do something different, even if slightly different, rather than produce what sounds like lullabies for alzheimers patients? If people want to listen to comfort food vintage Beach Boys they could just put on Pet Sounds. Sometimes trying to play it safe is the most dangerous strategy of all. This song is not an advance on Problem Child.
I realize I'm not saying anything groundbreaking. I just want to know why it matters that the song is "musically" better than other recent Beach Boys stuff when it is equally irrelevant.
― Pat Finn, Saturday, 5 May 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago) link
Pat Finn
― buzza, Saturday, 5 May 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago) link
hi, I've read these boards for a while and just created an account. I didn't know if I should introduce myself or just jump into the conversations.
― Pat Finn, Saturday, 5 May 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
everybody otm. such a horrible, geriatric trudge. the first minute felt like five. the blood turned to butterscotch pudding my veins.
did kind of like that tennis song. "you still mean a lot to the game..."
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 5 May 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
everybody otm
Except for me. I think it's great. Sounds like a Sunflower-era big hit that never was.
― timellison, Saturday, 5 May 2012 02:14 (twelve years ago) link
wtf is this, boo
― sleepingbag, Saturday, 5 May 2012 02:25 (twelve years ago) link
listening to this song is like finding some weird trinket ceramic cat with a fisherman's hat at yr grandma's house
― sleepingbag, Saturday, 5 May 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
Geir, what do you think of Still Cruising?
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 5 May 2012 03:37 (twelve years ago) link
More like Still Coasting.
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 5 May 2012 03:54 (twelve years ago) link
i have a question, which i hope isn't too intrusive or annoying. do you guys find that the beach boys' disappointing, later material affects your enjoyment of the earlier stuff? or to put it a different way, do you find the existence of this song unfortunate or merely uninteresting? personally, i tend to value artists with huge, spotty, but diverse catalogs over those who made maybe one or two masterpieces before fading away, but in the case of the beach boys, their reputation seems to have been severely damaged over the years, as the youthful earnestness of brian wilson's 60s songs is hard to disentangle from the syrupy commercial sweetness of the later, disneyfied stuff. i don't know. is "good vibrations" as enjoyable today as it would be in a world where "problem child" didn't exist?
― Pat Finn, Saturday, 5 May 2012 05:42 (twelve years ago) link
Somewhere there's an ILX post where I bitch about "Kokomo" turning the liberating youthful freedom beach into a good deal on a time-share, but actually I really am able to completely separate those things. It might, however, help that A) I grew up on Still Cruising and Endless Summer at the very same time, and B) the Beach Boys have so many fairly dramatic excuses to have fallen off so hard that it sort of enhances the earlier stuff in this weird way - - - the tragic decline heightens the beauty of the age of innocence, so in a way the Beach Boys are uniquely suited to benefit from this since so much of their appeal was the innocence and sincerity.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 5 May 2012 05:59 (twelve years ago) link
do you guys find that the beach boys' disappointing, later material affects your enjoyment of the earlier stuff?
Not at all. I still rep pretty heavily for the better half of their output even in spite of the existence of "Match Point Of Our Love".
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:10 (twelve years ago) link
production is definitely stuck in the early 80s
disagree, this is a digital recording. I know this battle's been over for years, but really folks, a lot of your favorite oldie artists would be making much, much better records if production styles hadn't shifted over to the digital domain imo - it changes the whole "culture"/atmosphere of the studio and you get lifeless, heavily comped performances. not that you don't do plenty of comping in analog but usually nothing like the "why does this sound like nobody cared" feel of so much we're-always-tracking-don't-sweat-it stuff now
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:18 (twelve years ago) link
not at all. the long decline doesn't tarnish what they accomplished early on. honestly, i think of the beach boys as a band that existed in the 60s, and the stuff that came after as something else.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:19 (twelve years ago) link
That fact suggests to me that you really need to do yourself a favor and take a peek into their '70s catalog.
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:22 (twelve years ago) link
i find it incredibly easy to not acknowledge near any long-time artist's shit years in remembrance of their great. this is pretty much the case w/ near anyone from 60/70s still doing their thing today. i think there's a term for this: you don't think of beach boys now and then as being the same continuation of the same people. b/c of being able to reference their younger selves in youtube, google images (etc etc) you sort of think of them as wholly separate, at least on some level of consciousness
like the fact that the frontman from happy monday's looks like fucking darth vader unmasked still doesn't prevent me from thinking the guy def had a cocky little swagger back in his heyday. and i can still enjoy their music, definitely.
― kelpolaris, Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:29 (twelve years ago) link
"Oldie artists" make lifeless records now because there's more comping and they're always being tracked so they never sweat it?
― timellison, Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:31 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, I know I'm just reiterating your argument, but I guess I'm skeptical.
― timellison, Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:32 (twelve years ago) link
Title of the record keeps getting Paul Simon's "That's Why God Made The Movies" stuck in my head.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:34 (twelve years ago) link
maybe so! i like sunflower and surf's up, but don't know the stuff after that very well, and what i've heard i haven't liked much.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 5 May 2012 06:37 (twelve years ago) link
This thread is full of shit. 80s Beach Boys records are great. I grew up on Still Cruising' and the S/T one, in the days before music crit exposure tried to bend me towards the status quo of Pet Sounds as the peak of human creative endeavour. For my friends and I, swallowing up every cassette we could find on the shelves of Our Price or whatever, Pet Sounds was the worst one!
― Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Saturday, 5 May 2012 08:15 (twelve years ago) link
There is a tracklist on Amazon...
1. Think About The Days2. That's Why God Made The Radio3. Isn't It Time4. Spring Vacation5. The Private Life Of Bill And Sue6. Shelter7. Daybreak Over The Ocean8. Beaches In Mind9. Strange World10. From There To Back Again11. Pacific Coast Highway12. Summer's Gone
Spring Vacation?!
― I'm not going leftfield on you... (hypehat), Saturday, 5 May 2012 10:25 (twelve years ago) link
You better not be hating on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QklGU9L61Ms
― Chewshabadoo, Saturday, 5 May 2012 10:33 (twelve years ago) link
Also, that said, "That's Why God Made The Radio" doesn't sound bad at all. Surely it is no "Good Vibrations" or "God Only Knows" or "'Til I Die", but it's a fairly nice piece of Beach Boys pop updated for.... well... maybe not for 2012, but at least for post 1980. :)
― The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 5 May 2012 00:11 (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is the worst song of all time
― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Saturday, 5 May 2012 00:13 (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hahahahaha
― blossom smulch (schlump), Saturday, 5 May 2012 10:36 (twelve years ago) link
this sounds like it was recorded in a little studio in a caravan & they were all in there while a guy sat in the front seat and made the video with flash
― blossom smulch (schlump), Saturday, 5 May 2012 10:37 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LE3dpoTOvA
― Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Saturday, 5 May 2012 10:46 (twelve years ago) link
Christ I love that song.
― Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Saturday, 5 May 2012 10:47 (twelve years ago) link
And it's written (mostly) by John the wolf man Phillips.
― Lil' Kim Philby (Call the Cops), Saturday, 5 May 2012 10:51 (twelve years ago) link
i hope "Pacific Coast Highway" is a Sonic Youth/Hole medley
― some dude, Saturday, 5 May 2012 13:04 (twelve years ago) link
It sounds kinda creepy, but it doesn't sound bad. I listened to it like 10 times the first day it was released.
― abcfsk, Saturday, 5 May 2012 13:10 (twelve years ago) link
This literally sounds bad. The question is: how bad?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 May 2012 13:28 (twelve years ago) link
a) badb) really badc) sooooo badd) OK, if you truly believe that any new Beach Boys is better than no new Beach Boys and besides, it's the Beach Boys! e) worst song of all time
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 May 2012 13:31 (twelve years ago) link
this is not good
― crüt, Saturday, 5 May 2012 13:34 (twelve years ago) link
ok, so it's probably not the worst song of all time (although it is (c) sooooooo bad), but it may be the worst song that's ever been discussed on ILX.
― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Saturday, 5 May 2012 13:38 (twelve years ago) link
no worse than any of Brian's new material over the past 15 years, you guys ever hear his 'Imagination' album? yeesh
― llurk, Saturday, 5 May 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
thinking back to the show, "Don't Back Down" may have been the most memorable song. I wasn't expecting to hear it and they stomped through it like a garage rock track. Don't know why David Marks is getting shit here, his guitar playing sounded fine.
― skip, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 13:44 (eleven years ago) link
Bruce Johnston's first record, from 1963:
http://www.beachboys.com/hotdoggers.jpg
Mostly covers of then-current surf rock, but also includes a Johnston original "Quasimoto". Features Glen Campbell, Hal Blaine, Carol Kaye, and Leon Russell. Terry Melcher produces.
― Lee626, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link
xpost Campbell may be the most overlooked guitar virtuoso short of Vince Gill.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 14:12 (eleven years ago) link
Willie Nelson to thread.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 14:38 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, maybe. But he's no flashy technical master capable of guitar showdowns, is he? He has a very distinct, intuitive style.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
But Willie doesn't have session guy chops, does he?
beach boys concert or nursing home stand-up act
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLIbu6sJ4-I
― am0n, Monday, 30 July 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE9xv-VcH3w
― am0n, Monday, 30 July 2012 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
And that's it...
Beach Boys Reunion Tour Ending With Three Founding Members Sacked Via Public StatementThe Beach Boys might still be Keepin' the Summer Alive with their U.K. tour, but for three members it will be a cold harsh winter.The band's frontman Mike Love announced that the group will split after this week in the U.K. and three members -- Brian Wilson, Al Jardine and David Marks -- have been dropped from the group. The three did not find out they had been dropped until Love and Bruce Johnston released a public statement.The statement announcing the big shake up reads: "The post-50th anniversary configuration will not include Brian Wilson, Al Jardine and David Marks. The 50th Reunion Tour was designed to be a set tour with a beginning and an end to mark a special 50-year milestone for the band."The exiting Beach Boys will be replaced by the group's long-time backing band, which includes Love's son Christian, according to the Telegraph. Love added that the decision to drop the three members was financially motivated. "You've got to be careful not to get overexposed. There are promoters who are interested [in more shows by the reunited line-up], but they've said, 'Give it a rest for a year'. The Eagles found out the hard way when they went out for a second year and wound up selling tickets for $5."Wilson was blindsided."I'm disappointed and can't understand why he (Love) doesn't want to tour with Al, David and me," he told CNN. "We are out here having so much fun. After all, we are the real Beach Boys."If the five members of the Beach Boys do not rekindle their bond, the September 28 concert at Wembley Stadium may be the last show they play together, CNN noted.There is already a petition on iPetition.com asking for Love, who owns the rights to the band's name, to rethink the decision to break up the original Beach Boys.The petition, addressed to Love, reads: "In order to preserve the validity of 'The Beach Boys' as a whole, and not as a 'money saving, stripped down version' that only contains 1 original member, and 1 member that joined in 1965, we ask you to re-instate the 3 other members to the touring group for your final years performing.""It's the right thing to do, and it's what the fans want," the message concludes.Jardine linked to the petition in a tweet. As of Wednesday morning, it had over 2,000 signatures.In December 2011, the Beach Boys confirmed 50 shows to celebrate their 50th anniversary, Rolling Stone previously reported. The band formed in California in 1961. The reunion tour marks the first time the Boys have toured together in more than two decades.Although the group had problems in the past, like nasty comments in the press and numerous lawsuits, Love swore that all the negativity was behind them. "All that stuff is long forgotten," he told Rolling Stone.Back in June, Rolling Stone had reported that Love booked shows for his version of the Beach Boys without consulting the other members.On Sept. 19, the group played at the Grammy Museum in Los Angeles to celebrate the opening of the new Beach Boys exhibit.
The Beach Boys might still be Keepin' the Summer Alive with their U.K. tour, but for three members it will be a cold harsh winter.
The band's frontman Mike Love announced that the group will split after this week in the U.K. and three members -- Brian Wilson, Al Jardine and David Marks -- have been dropped from the group. The three did not find out they had been dropped until Love and Bruce Johnston released a public statement.
The statement announcing the big shake up reads: "The post-50th anniversary configuration will not include Brian Wilson, Al Jardine and David Marks. The 50th Reunion Tour was designed to be a set tour with a beginning and an end to mark a special 50-year milestone for the band."
The exiting Beach Boys will be replaced by the group's long-time backing band, which includes Love's son Christian, according to the Telegraph. Love added that the decision to drop the three members was financially motivated. "You've got to be careful not to get overexposed. There are promoters who are interested [in more shows by the reunited line-up], but they've said, 'Give it a rest for a year'. The Eagles found out the hard way when they went out for a second year and wound up selling tickets for $5."
Wilson was blindsided.
"I'm disappointed and can't understand why he (Love) doesn't want to tour with Al, David and me," he told CNN. "We are out here having so much fun. After all, we are the real Beach Boys."
If the five members of the Beach Boys do not rekindle their bond, the September 28 concert at Wembley Stadium may be the last show they play together, CNN noted.
There is already a petition on iPetition.com asking for Love, who owns the rights to the band's name, to rethink the decision to break up the original Beach Boys.
The petition, addressed to Love, reads: "In order to preserve the validity of 'The Beach Boys' as a whole, and not as a 'money saving, stripped down version' that only contains 1 original member, and 1 member that joined in 1965, we ask you to re-instate the 3 other members to the touring group for your final years performing."
"It's the right thing to do, and it's what the fans want," the message concludes.
Jardine linked to the petition in a tweet. As of Wednesday morning, it had over 2,000 signatures.
In December 2011, the Beach Boys confirmed 50 shows to celebrate their 50th anniversary, Rolling Stone previously reported. The band formed in California in 1961. The reunion tour marks the first time the Boys have toured together in more than two decades.
Although the group had problems in the past, like nasty comments in the press and numerous lawsuits, Love swore that all the negativity was behind them. "All that stuff is long forgotten," he told Rolling Stone.
Back in June, Rolling Stone had reported that Love booked shows for his version of the Beach Boys without consulting the other members.
On Sept. 19, the group played at the Grammy Museum in Los Angeles to celebrate the opening of the new Beach Boys exhibit.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
how could this possibly come as a surprise to anybody
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A3veWDHCMAA041u.jpg
― tylerw, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
.. including brian ..
xpost
― mark e, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
serious lol at this -- only mike love would fire a bunch of his bandmates and still expect them to show up for one more concert.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
Two more, Royal Albert Hall tomorrow night.
― Pat Ast vs Jean Arp (MaresNest), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
the most dysfunctional family in pop ever ?
― mark e, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
of course, the use of the word 'family' is being stretched .. but hey ..
― mark e, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
I would really enjoy watching Brian Wilson beat the tar out of Mike Love.
― Old Lunch, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
The infinite number of lead sentences they could do in this vein . . .
"Beach Boys audiences might be pickin' up Good Vibrations, but behind the scenes things are anything but groovy . . .
"This summer's reunited Beach Boys tour has been a success by any measure, but God Only Knows if there will be another . . ."
― a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
pretty much anyone would like to watch anyone beating the tar out of Mike Love.
― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
has anyone ever publicly assaulted Mike Love? besides probably Dennis?
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
you almost wonder if mike was running a long con and just did the whole album and tour so he could have the satisfaction of firing the guys at the end
― jalapeno kloppers (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like mike might get beat up at some point in 'heroes and villains' but tbh that book is basically one nonstop horrorshow so it doesn't stand out much
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
Brian Wilson, Al Jardine and David Marks were informed of the news via a statement issued by Mike Love - the band's frontman and Wilson's cousin - that the tour would be continuing without them.
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
there's definitely fistfights in heroes and villains. dunno if any of them could be described as Mike receiving a beatdown though.
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
why does Mike Love care about any of this. i will never understand.
― hail dayton (brownie), Thursday, 27 September 2012 00:37 (eleven years ago) link
Brian responds to Mike:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-brian-wilson-al-jardine-respond-to-mike-love-on-beach-boys-flap-20121008,0,6270223.story
― fistula-la-la (sic), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
As far as I know I can't be fired--that wouldn't be cool.
I don't know why, but it's funny to think of Brian Wilson saying lines like this like Brad Pitt in "True Romance."
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 03:46 (eleven years ago) link
Brian responds to Mike:http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-brian-wilson-al-jardine-respond-to-mike-love-on-beach-boys-flap-20121008,0,6270223.story
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-brian-wilson-al-jardine-respond-to-mike-love-on-beach-boys-flap-20121008,0,6270223.story
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 03:55 (eleven years ago) link
Sounds like both of them need to get in a room together and talk it out, rather than hearing shit second-handed through PR guys.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 03:59 (eleven years ago) link
What they need is another centralized PR guy to handle the PR.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 04:00 (eleven years ago) link
Need Mike Love to intervene on Brian's destructive relationship with Joe Thomas.
― Dominique, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 14:54 (seven years ago) link
did he produce No Pier Pressure? that's a really boring record
― akm, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 15:00 (seven years ago) link
Mike's bitchiness about this record in his new book is hilarious
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 15:01 (seven years ago) link