HBO adaptation of Game of Thrones - will this be just for nerds? (NO SPOILERS PLEASE)

yeah that's weird they took out the one-boob dresses since they've been so boob centric so far

they could have fulfilled the entire season's boob quota in one Qarth-centric episode

i mean at least game of thrones hasn't devoted a totally annoying character to the task of showing boobs all the time

― l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:24 (Yesterday) Permalink

pretty sure Ros fits that bill

She's not totally annoying though, and she works to give some kind of humanity to the legions of bare-breasted prostitutes the show usually serves up as window dressing.

okay lol @ braindead me for "African-American" but this...

The Summer Isles are where the black people come from in this particular world. I don't get your point.

this is what makes me get a little o_O over it. i mean, all he does is mention a "dark-skinned" race of "savages" from the Summer Isles. i think its more your problem if you read that as "black people" instantly.

who have we met from the Summer Isles? are we talking about the pirate or the rich guy in Quarth?

the rich guy in Qarth

all he does is mention a "dark-skinned" race of "savages" from the Summer Isles

Uhh, ACOK has a character whose skin is as "black as polished jet" (pg. 237), what's more, "savage" is being used pejoratively I'm pretty sure by characters whose opinions we're not supposed to accept without question? I mean, I don't think it's out of the ordinary to see the Sumemr Isles as an analogue to Africa?

yeah, medieval western europe wasn't really known for its advanced and enlightened views about other civilisations.

rich guy in qarth (xaro xhoan daxos) hardly strikes me as a caricatured "savage"

yeah. as far as racial politics goes I think the Dothraki are more problematic than that guy.

Guys, I think we're being trolled?

even the southern westeroesians have fancy ethnic sounding names and are all tricky and cruel where northerners are named stark and are v honest and brave

by a heated debate over derpy hooves no less (xp)

can i just nnnnnnnnnghgh at this:

I feel like Martin has a lot more to say about politics, gender, etc. than Tolkien did. It's pretty interesting even if the strokes are broad

also, it seems like structurally any high-fantasy tv entertainment focused on medieval-england analogues is going to resort to, er, 'othering' non-white ppl. and no one is going to put the hbo boob money behind a high-fantasy tv entertainment which isn't focused on white people. -- it's a structural thing, rather than a failure of the writers. (the skeezy dependance on the demographics of boobs is both, i suppose.)

true of the books too to some extent i guess. (tho le guin did have a hugely popular juvenile fantasy series, from decades back, in which the main cast were not white: except when the sci fi channel adapted it, suddenly they were. now that was egregious.)

That film 'Crash' was so racist...

Summer Islanders are generally portrayed as rather civilised in the books.

rich guy in qarth (xaro xhoan daxos) hardly strikes me as a caricatured "savage"

right, but he does go to great pains in the show to describe overcoming his beginnings to get rich. anyway, i was just disappointed because that was not how i read the Summer Isles inhabitants in the book at all.

idk, I just interpreted that as being smarmy in order to get access to dragon

^ otm. the show has not insignificant racial problems; that doesn't rate (to me) as one of them.

Woha Lady in Red delivering that weirdo thing. It didn't seem like fun. Otherwise, I LOVE this show so much. I am not much into "fantasy" but this is so mad awesome. Probably cause it feels medieval to me

I just watched the latest episode while stoned and it seemed like the Muppet show

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right, but he does go to great pains in the show to describe overcoming his beginnings to get rich.

he mentioned that he wasn't born to wealth & power. didn't strike me as great pains, or an indication that he arose from savagery, but today hasn't been my day for figuring shit out so [< heads up, aero]

durnit why don't you l33k already.

oh Ian

was on tonight, but i missed the beginning, so i gotta watch it again before commenting. not a great episode, but not a bad one. mostly just moved the pieces around some.

moyyyyyyyyyyy baaaaabbeeeeee

(dragons)

Osha was pretty badass this ep.

loved the riot scene!

yeah, that was unexpected and very tense. loved tyrion putting joffrey in his place afterwards.

THEY THREW A COW PIE AT YOU SO YOU KILLED THEM

waiting for the inevitable character building session with the dog

the current lord of winterfell is sorta fucked

why does the dog serve joffrey? he seems a relatively good dude and joffrey is obv a little shit.

daenarys' bad acting was really on display in this ep.

i don't think its ever said why but i may not remember correctly. something like cleganes are vassals of the lannisters and the hound is one extremely loyal dude?

daenarys' bad acting was really on display in this ep.

yeah, her exchange with whatshisname on the steps was just awful

Dingos ate my dragon

i don't think its ever said why but i may not remember correctly. something like cleganes are vassals of the lannisters and the hound is one extremely loyal dude?

― Jibe

Pretty much, but more that he's a nihilistic dude than loyal.

Where was Jorah Mormont in this episode?

the lack of characterization for the hound has been a disappointment so far. he gets some pretty good scenes in the books. thank god we have plenty of scenes of the timeless created-for-the-show character of Roz The Prostitute instead

her exchange with whatshisname on the steps was just awful

I've only read the first book, but are we supposed to be totally impressed with the ridiculous things she says? clearly many other characters in the world see her as a young girl with delusions of grandeur. maybe she's a bad actress, but it seems like a limitation of the role and the dialogue too. the character seems to be taking a "fake it until you make it" approach to power.

the delivery of that dialogue is the problem
she's a definite weak spot in the casting

Yeah she's not handling this stuff particularly well. It's also because her character is somewhat delusional and everyone else has her pretty sussed out.

right i think it'd be laughable if people fell to their knees at one of her foot stamping entitled monologues, but they basically shrug it off. i can def see it being more of a problem down the line (assuming she DOES acquire power).

She doesn't realise her father is known as The Mad King, does she?

No, she does not. Viserys filled her head with nonsense about their father being beloved.

She is probably 14 at this point in the book, so her petulance makes a lot more sense to me in that light.

theon's sacking of winterfell + beheading rodrick was maybe the most disturbing scene for me so far, maybe because I've started reading the books, so I can see more of the psychological angles and have just spent more hours with the characters. But jeez that was awful.

man they really went off the books in this episode! crazytalk

yeah...
i am kind of sad not to see the psychic bogland kids :(