this is a really nice west coast record:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1150/1407818970_45886f6232.jpg?v=0
― scott seward, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 19:49 (fifteen years ago) link
damn that does look good ...
― tylerw, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 19:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Fuk, I love Harold Land and Scott LaFaro. I didn't know about all these good Hampton Hawes records.
― ichard Thompson (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link
"Oh hey, emusic has volumes 2 and 3. Is Jim Hall on all the volumes?"
yeah. they played all night! hence the title.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Did Hampton Hawes ever release a record called Hems and Hawes?
― ichard Thompson (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 19:53 (fifteen years ago) link
i love harold land too
― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 19:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Harold is cool.
That Jimmy Giuffre thing at the beginning of Jazz On A Summer's Day is awesome.
― ilx chilton (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 19:54 (fifteen years ago) link
YES
― ichard Thompson (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 19:54 (fifteen years ago) link
The Train and the River
again, the early trio records are also fab. hampton, red mitchell, and, um...i'm blanking....
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/ACTPOD/OJCCD-316-2~Hampton-Hawes-Trio-The-Trio-v-1-Posters.jpg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 19:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Earlier Jim Hall is probably my favorite jazz guitar. His sound got kind of cheesy later though and I don't think he chose the best people to play with.
― ichard Thompson (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 19:57 (fifteen years ago) link
also search the late 60's black lion stuff. awesome as well. what can i say, i'm a fan.
http://lh4.google.com/MyJazzWorld/RqpoeLdJ-lI/AAAAAAAAAVc/O5sSzZmW5Sk/s288/HamptonHawes_SpanishSteps.jpg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 19:57 (fifteen years ago) link
ever hear greg osby's invisible hand record? i haven't heard it for a long time, but it has jim hall and andrew hill on it and whatever it is, it's not cheesy.
― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:00 (fifteen years ago) link
best shelley manne cover (and not a bad record either, despite my indifference to andre previn):
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2190/2071307048_42663c04f3.jpg?v=0
― scott seward, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Hey, I recently learned that Johnny Mercer wrote those songs!
― ilx chilton (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:10 (fifteen years ago) link
a later record by a guy from boston who headed out west, this is very cool and worth tracking down (um, cuz it's also another example of a black bandleader making a west coast kinda sound with west coast dudes):
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2235/2064941759_c30686f3b9.jpg?v=0
― scott seward, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Hampton Hawes' autobio, "Raise Up Off Me" is great, as is Art Pepper's "Straight Life" for depicting the LA scene of the day. I can't remember the author of "West Coast Jazz", but there's a ton of info including the perspective of the WC record label heads, ie Contemporary, Pacific Jazz etc. It's comprehensive, but the writing is less than engaging.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link
shelly manne and his men at the manhole is the name of an actual (good) shelly manne record fyi
― xhuxk d (deej), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
charles mingus came from watts and a lot of his early recordings are 'west coast' in a sense
― xhuxk d (deej), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, i mentioned mingus up top. but it's kinda like calling eric dolphy "west coast". you know? they were both from there and played there, but...
― scott seward, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link
the west coast cool vibe thing was it's own thing and it could be very cool indeed. i like a lot of that stuff. not so much the desmondbrubecktjader stuff though. i have very little time for dave brubeck. blah.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link
skot, you wanna hate on Cal Tjader, come on over here and fite!
― ilx chilton (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Would like to read Ted Gioia book, but do not want to prove his brother's theory.
― ilx chilton (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:28 (fifteen years ago) link
i know, he was preemptive with the manhole jokes
― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Lot's of people seemed to have played at that club. I'm sure they are going to have five hours of Roy Haynes playing there tonight on WKCR. But wasn't it spelt the Mannhole?
― ilx chilton (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Looks like it was "Shelly's Manne-hole."
― ilx chilton (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link
love this album. sonny making the west coast dudes work for a living.
http://jazzvo.blog.ocn.ne.jp/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/01/the_contemporary_leaders.jpg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:42 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah a lot of dudes were up in shelly's manne-hole.
xp
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― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:43 (fifteen years ago) link
OK, now I see what you were trying to say.
― ilx chilton (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link
if you can find them - are they in print? - the Black California two volume anthology that savoy put out is friggin' GREAT if you like awesome and swingin' 40's/50's stuff. wardell gray, wild bill moore, slim gaillard, kenny clarke, etc. (um, not "cool" jazz, just great jazz.) (all the bands where dexter and chico and sonny criss and others cut their teeth.)
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc500/c584/c58424888is.jpg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link
listened to this tonight. one of my fave we're all in the same gang east coast/west coast jams:
http://www.jazz.com/assets/2008/1/4/albumcoverArtPepperMeetsTheRhythmSection.jpg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 23:04 (fifteen years ago) link
when white dudes had cool names like art pepper
― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 23:06 (fifteen years ago) link
ZOOT SIMS
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 23:07 (fifteen years ago) link
That Art Pepper record has a great version of "Tin Tin Deo." I think Art claimed in Straight Life that he hadn't picked up his horn in two years prior to making that record but somebody later debunked that.
― ilx chilton (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 23:26 (fifteen years ago) link
― scott seward, Wednesday, January 14, 2009 3:21 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
I don't think they deserve to be lumped together. I think Desmond is a way more legit and enjoyable musician than Brubeck. I mean Time Out is an undeniable record, but it's largely because of Desmond and Morello, and also it just SOUNDS so fucking good. I get frothy at the mouth when people swoon over Brubeck as though he's god's gift to jazz, but I'm more mad at people's tin ears and (I think) latent racism than I am at Brubeck. But he's just such a terrible, stiff pianist -- painful to listen to at times.
Cal Tjader is just fun. I have no complaints about him.
― ichard Thompson (Hurting 2), Thursday, 15 January 2009 00:35 (fifteen years ago) link
i just got smack up by art pepper on vinyl
a superb album
not all that "cool" though
― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 15 January 2009 00:36 (fifteen years ago) link
i wasn't really slamming tjader and desmond as musicians. it's just that that end of things is so ubiquitous in my thrift shop world, so i blame them for their ubiquitousness. i blame it on the bossa nova.
i don't think i've ever heard anyone swoon over brubeck before! thank god. i'd hit them over the head and give them a bill evans record or something if i did.
― scott seward, Thursday, 15 January 2009 00:39 (fifteen years ago) link
i do hold onto a copy of brubeck's gates of justice for novelty value.
― scott seward, Thursday, 15 January 2009 00:44 (fifteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510l3VCqfTL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
― ilx chilton (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Time for a new screen name.
― lemmy tristano (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 15 January 2009 02:17 (fifteen years ago) link
SOOOO into Shorty Rogers right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_SvhoMokI8
― PappaWheelie V, Friday, 10 July 2009 03:30 (fourteen years ago) link
just got this book in the mail
http://www.ocma.net/img/413_Birth-of-the-Cool-Cover.JPG
it has a big chapter on the aesthetic of cool / west coast jazz album covers, maybe i'll post a couple of tidbits if it's any good
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 10 July 2009 03:46 (fourteen years ago) link
why the fuck can't I find any substantial big band cool from 1952?!
― you can beat my box any time (PappaWheelie V), Friday, 26 March 2010 15:18 (fourteen years ago) link
let's see, mulligan left the miles cool sessions to work on the chubby jackson big band later in 1950, then created the new stars in 1951.
shorty rogers did his superb "modern sounds" sides in 1951.
1953 had shorty's giants, wild one sdtk, stan kenton's "New Concepts of Artistry in Rhythm", Gene Norman's commision of the Gerry Mulligan Tentet, and multiple projects by The Dave Pell Octet. Hell, even Clifford Brown had a nonet that year, and Tadd Dameron was still doing his "big ten" thing that ran alongside Miles' initial project.
Ceratinly SOMETHING was recorded in this vein in 1952.
― you can beat my box any time (PappaWheelie V), Friday, 26 March 2010 15:30 (fourteen years ago) link
is Gerry Mulligan worth investigating
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 18:12 (seven years ago) link
He arranged most of Birth of the Cool, so I'd say yes. Try a couple albums out!
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 18:56 (seven years ago) link
that '59 album he did with Ben Webster is definitely worth investigating, not heard much else.
― calzino, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 19:06 (seven years ago) link
i don't have a ton of his stuff, but I really enjoy this onehttps://img.discogs.com/-ulMF9pOhQkW1DwrTjseFjle-JQ=/fit-in/600x598/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-639802-1141987385.jpeg.jpg
― tylerw, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 19:08 (seven years ago) link
yeah primarily curious about the Baker stuff
he doesn't seem to get much respect these days
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 19:10 (seven years ago) link
https://londonjazzcollector.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/mg_3476.jpgthis one is an absolute gem imo
― calzino, Sunday, 8 July 2018 20:53 (five years ago) link