Are you a vegetarian? (poll)

my dad likes to mix his wine half and half with cold water.

I do this! In fact Im so used to it now I find the taste of straight wine too strong, haha. Weird. Its best with cheap wine of course.

what is chinese meat production like, environmentalyl

Chinese agribusiness is increasingly concentrated animal feeding operations (CAFOs) as in the U.S., with the usual local issues with rivers of sewage, etc. They also import (480,000 metric tonnes of pork in 2011), which is a convenient way of importing embodied water when so much of the nation is running short. It's been a boon to soybean farmers (prices are approaching all-time highs) in Brazil & worldwide, as soya, like #2 seed corn, is largely used as animal feed, and that has encouraged rainforest deforestation.

CAFOs produce some of the most depressing google image search results i have seen for some time /:

according to aimless those farmhands know just how to keep those animals alive and happy

well, I guess I shouldn't dredge up old ghosts

Allergic to Meat: Tiny Tick May Be Spreading Vegetarianism

A tiny tick might be to blame for a rash of meat allergies in central and southern regions of the U.S.

A bite from the lone star tick, so-called for the white spot on its back, looks innocent enough. But researchers say saliva that sneaks into the wound might trigger a reaction to meat agonizing enough to convert lifelong carnivores into wary vegetarians.

"People will eat beef and then anywhere from three to six hours later start having a reaction; anything from hives to full-blown anaphylactic shock," said Dr. Scott Commins, assistant professor of medicine at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville. "Most people want to avoid having the reaction, so they try to stay away from the food that triggers it."

Cases of the bizarre allergy are cropping up in areas ripe with lone star ticks, according to research presented today at the American College of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology annual meeting in Anaheim, Calif. But whether the bugs cause meat allergies remains unclear.

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Or it could just be campylobacter or salmonella from cross-contamination. Proper influenza typically lasts a few days, so if your "stomach flu" passes in 24 hours, its undercooked meat or cross contamination from prep surfaces. The typical kitchen sink is about 6000 times more contaminated with fecal bacteria than yer typical toilet seat.

Having seen that video, there's definitely some allergy action going on (though the association with the tick bite isn't completely solid at this point). Sort of the Anabuse for the standard American diet.

The typical kitchen sink is about 6000 times more contaminated with fecal bacteria than yer typical toilet seat.

Namely due to fertilizer from fruit and vegetables, lol.

It's mostly from raw chicken. The hook that's used to evicerate them in packing plants commonly rips the intestines spilling the contents, so plastic wrapped uncooked chicken from the grocer is very commonly bathing in fecal broth. This study found 92% of purchased chicken samples had E.coli contamination, its a big enough problem that the USDA invests in laser induced fluorescence imaging to detect shit. Obviously there have been cases, especially with alfalfa sprouts, where organic fertilization has lead to very bad outcomes, but from what I've read the bulk of the shit in our diet is of poultry origin.

fecal broth oh my

I'm eating chicken rite now

Lucky you

chicken with extra fecal broth

Grilled, Homestyle, Spicy or Extra Shitty?

http://cdn.niketalk.com/a/ab/500x1000px-LL-ab9dc083_wendy.jpeg

Now that's better!

even when I ate meat/dairy/etc I thought the whole "it's really cool to dunk on vegetarians all the time" gig stopped being cute around the fiftieth time I heard the "how can you tell if someone is a vegan?" joke

I eat fake meat and any shit my vegan friends give me.
Avoid daya tho it’s a rabbit hole to the shits.

the one person i know who is unbearably vegan is unbearably everything else so

we cook most of our meals and id say we're down to maybe 2-3 nights a week eating meat, and even at that the amounts are way down when we do.

given that id have voted as strongly identifying as a meat eater when this poll was started im not saying never but....im happy as things are ito meat intake

ill def say never to dropping eggs, tho prob id give going non-dairy a fair shot

none of it on ethical grounds obv

god daiya is disgusting

every time i've eaten it i've thought "i got better things in life to do than eat this garbage"

Called in sick to work after eating a daya pizza.
Dayareiah is some real shit. Paid about 15 bones for that pizza. Moron me

more for me I guess

i'm not a fan of the stuff, but daiya is basically 90% water, tapioca flour and oil. there's really nothing in it that can make you sick unless it gets old and moldy
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Last week I drank a vegan Jimmy's Oat Latte Iced Coffee and was reminded of the line in Blackadder Goes Forth where Baldrick explains that they ran out of coffee months ago and since then he's been serving Edmund hot mud.

scrolling this thread and seeing how much ive shifted...i dont care that much about animal rights anymore aside from i just dont want them to die or suffer, but its no longer at the core of my politics overall bc you know "no ethical consumption under capitalism" and all. environmental reasons prob my main reason to not eat dairy/eggs anymore.

I couldn't find a non-wack thread on veganism or animal rights, so I'll post this here, an excellent essay offering a socialist feminist argument for veganism (though it's not focused on personal diet per se) by Astra and Sunaura Taylor: https://lux-magazine.com/article/our-animals-ourselves/

I couldn't find a non-wack thread on veganism or animal rights

― in the time of NFTs I bought a monkey (rob),

what point are you trying to make?

I think Deflatormouse was punning on "animal rights" and "I bought a monkey"?

This is a good article, I'll say more when I finish the second half.

Ah ok fair enough...and speaking of username/post !

rob thank you for sharing that essay

i often keep my vegetarianism to myself but i at least partially stopped eating meat bc i'm a huge propagandhi fan, and they were def making a socialist feminist argument for veganism

i'd be curious to see the voting distribution on a new version of this poll, but i would be sad when it only got 37 votes

I wasn't a vegetarian in 2012 but I am now.

gang

I'm basically a pescatarian but I don't eat any dairy (except eggs, which I buy locally and I know are free-range).

ive now been vegan the majority of my life (18 years) and we have a 9 year old who's been vegan his whole life. not without his own explorations outside of the world (never meat, but he's snuck in some nonvegan halloween candy out of FOMO and we had a Productive Talk about it) but he understands why we do what we do. i think he has a classmate or two that's vegetarian but im p sure he's the only vegan. i told him he'll probably find some vegan classmates by the time he hits middle or high school.

I'm amazed by how much pushback I get, particularly from colleagues at work. Students I can accept because they're kids, but my colleagues will sit there with some processed sludge from the canteen and obsess over whatever I'm eating, constantly trying to catch me out.

those moments are always revealing, the fear of and preemptive hostility towards perceived implicit judgment

Aye. I try not to be a dick about it as I suspect I was a *bit* like it before.

And y'know, plants are living things too and it's narcissistic to use humanity as the standard to judge which other species are capable of feeling or deserve good treatment, but it's the animal condition to consume living things to get enough energy to live ourselves, and we all have to draw our line somewhere. Personally, I would have a really hard time giving up eggs & cheese.

what point are you trying to make?

― rob,

oh, just that I've seen some *extremely shitty* posts on here re: animal rights

I think Deflatormouse was punning on "animal rights" and "I bought a monkey"?

LOL thanks for trying

ah sorry I completely misunderstood you there! yes, all the animal rights and veganism threads looked depressingly hostile and defensive and some are sexist

plants are living things too and it's narcissistic to use humanity as the standard to judge which other species are capable of feeling or deserve good treatment, but it's the animal condition to consume living things to get enough energy to live ourselves, and we all have to draw our line somewhere

Maybe on an abstract philosophical level this is true—and the cultural hypocrisy over which animals deserve rescuing and which should be slaughtered or exploited en masse bothers me for this reason— but humans are the only species engaged in large-scale animal agriculture, which is also destructive to plants, so if you really think plants and animals should be treated equally, you should still not support animal agriculture. At any rate, I encourage to read the essay if you didn't already, it raises some very specific issues with animal breeding that do not apply to horticulture

That said I am not a vegan (though I have involuntary intolerances of both eggs and lactose), so I'm not trying to personally shame anyone. The best thing about that article is framing it as a politics rather than a lifestyle!

I was a vegetarian between about 1989 - 2007 but gave up at an Argentinian owned steak restaurant in my early 30's. But I still go through periods of not eating meat. At the moment I have a tender gap in my gob where used to be there a molar and am doing lots of green soup made from broccoli/spinach/kale/spring greens. I actually got angry when some dickhead tory foodie dismissed kale as "cattle food" recently. But still I'm decidedly NOT a vegetarian any more.

It's a very insightful article that takes into account a lot of the misconceptions and unfortunate truths around veganism. Like the authors, I can't take an aggressive attitude when discussing other people's meals; it's something that is so central to the self-conception of many people. I'm also hyper-conscious of not wanting to harm things for "our side" by being called out as either a hypocrite or a scold from one side or the other, so I try simply to eat as best I can.