Grand Theft Auto IV -- It might feature crime and prostitutes.

A couple things hyggeligt- there are boats and helicopters. Go buy armor at the ammo shop - quit being a cheap-skate

After playing some Saints Row 2, I'm struck by how much more difficult GTA4 is. I generally have to do GTA4 missions multiple times to complete them, and often that's meant even 10, 15 times. Yuck! I'm much less likely to want to buy the next GTA for this reason. It's just not been fun to drive to the mission giver (being careful not to run people over since if you do you get a star right away, and then it's evasion on crowded streets usually meaning more stars...), drive to the mission itself, do the mission, and then die and do it all again. If the game is supposed to have an interesting narrative, don't make it hard for me to actually do things in the game. Make it fun, and then I'll put in the 40+ hours you want me to experience. If doing quests/missions is hard work, it's not a fun game anymore, it's a slog.

i didn't think they were that hard. too repetitive maybe

my complaints are:

too little driving and too much shooting. there was not one "get to x location in x amount of time" mission (aside from the drug delivery side missions) and those used to be a mainstay, right? too many "drive to this place and kill all the people there" stuff.

your friends are irritating, interacting with them is boring, and the rewards are useless (except jacob)

the cars drive badly, way worse than SA as i remember it. i don't know who thought the behind-and-just-off-to-the-left camera was a good idea, it isn't.

ever increasing amounts of money and nothing to do with it. no properties, anymore?! new york is all about owning property!

an the cover controls are dicked

too little driving and too much shooting. there was not one "get to x location in x amount of time" mission (aside from the drug delivery side missions) and those used to be a mainstay, right? too many "drive to this place and kill all the people there" stuff.

OTFM ! TIMES A MILLION

But I prefer the driving mechanics in this one, they're gorgeous once you really get used to them.

not 100 percent yet, still 18 pigeons left. But everytime I load it now I just fuck about too much or multiplayer out.

The next game needs more rewards and more hidden missions and stuff.

A couple things hyggeligt- there are boats and helicopters. Go buy armor at the ammo shop - quit being a cheap-skate

I know there are boats and helicopters, just not enough of them. I also find tooling to the gun shop a bit of a pain when there should be a few more near safehouses. I've found some but there should be more maybe?

be nicer to little jacob. he will sort you out.

i mean seriously, its been weeks since you took him to the titty bar.

agree about the poor variation in boats and choppers totally.

there are a lot of boats but they all seem to be ported from previous versions, apart from the large Tug boat. and the coastguard inflatable is nice.

but chopper selection is poor, could be better.

I think there's an Apache on the roof of the police building near your safehouse in NE Algonquin?

What?! I must find this roof. Is that the safehouse that SPOILERRoman buysEND SPOILER?

Yeah I think so. The first one you get there. The polis station is near a petrol station i think.

you get four stars as soon as you get in it, iirc. and you can't escape them!

4 mayhem that an apache can cause it would be a good death. Also if you dropped off on Happiness Island and boosted a boat maybe you could escape that way?

I think Ledge is drunk again. For a start it's not the apache we all know and love, it's some sort of gunship with machine guns only.

it's on the cop shop NE on alonquin yes, but you shouldn't get four stars when you steal it. Probably just one star, seeing as there's always a cop stood nearby.

I think Ledge is drunk again. For a start it's not the apache we all know and love, it's some sort of gunship with machine guns only.

:(

One star? That's nothing! I still haven't maxed out stars. I keep dying!

I also find tooling to the gun shop a bit of a pain when there should be a few more near safehouses.

Just call a taxi! Man, they're a total godsend. Or if you're cheap and willing to wait 30 seconds, call Roman's car service.

I once picked Brucie up in the helicopter to go to a bar, but when we came out, it was gone. u_U

If you're just picking up body armor at the gun shoppe, I recommend instead memorizing two locations where you can find them. The one I used the most is on Algonquin, about 2-3 blocks away (south-westish) from the penthouse safehouse -- look for a chainlink fence on the corner of the block, there's construction going on and you drop down into it to find it. It's a pretty central location, so I pass it pretty frequently. The other place I memorized is on Alderny; starting from your safehouse, go east, north at the first street, then all the way down until you reach a T-intersection, at which you take a right. Halfway down that residential block is an alleyway -- go through that, and you'll see some chainlink fences (again!), sort of an irrigation/water overflow canal type of thing, you have to climb over that, then drop down to the right.

easiest and closest body armour is just north of the penthouse safe house in Algonquin, at the end of you block just before you reach the overpass, there's a small gap to the left. squeeze down it to find the armour.

(i mean the safe house on the East side of algonquin, not the playboy one)

Yeah the no missiles apache thing sux. But I've definitely got into one on more than one occasion and had 4 unescapable stars, ie they stick with you even if you fly faaaaarrr out to sea.

were you still in LOS of helicopters? i've found the police escape mechanics to be v well designed

i just got gtaiv for the ps3 so im EXCITED

were you still in LOS of helicopters?

ehhh i guess that's possible.

actually i know what ledge is talking about, sometimes it will create an infinite circle of inescapable police presence around you when you're in a chopper. Sometimes, it could be a bug or it could be some strange gameplay thing I haven't quite sussed out yet.

I had that happen with the helicopter (apache?) I took from the airport, the stars would fade when I was out of sight but I'd stay at the centre of the police zone. Of course, it's 4 stars for being caught at the airport too.

I got 4 stars visiting the UN!

Poll idea: How long did it take you to dump each girlfriend?

so the DLC is 1600pts

horrible

am i just completely retardoed or do we not have a thread/any talk on "The Lost and Damned" plus is it not out today or something stupid?!

also if i can be bothered with it will i need to have the original cause my bro broked it?

well it's available. can't help you with the other question though.

but yeah, surprised nobody has mentioned anything on here yet.

i. is available
ii. need the og disc
iii. I sold my copy so no chat from me
iv. ps3lol

hmmmm

really wasn't overly enamored with GTAIV yet still quite fancy playing this.

I say I wasn't overly enamored yet I finished it within about 3 days so obviously I didn't hate it or anything. Just that on reflection it wasn't quite what I had hoped for.

there's full frontal male nudity in this!

http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/JTHomeslice/there-s-full-frontal-nudity-in-gta-iv-lost-and-damned--121845.phtml

zomg

am dling this now. but my connection is slow. will get back to yzall tmrrw once its done.

xpost. PRICELESS.

anyone played this yet ?
I've also finished gtaiv although I thought it was at bit boring/repetitive after a while.
but it's been a long time and I'd be glad to have some more fun in liberty city.
is this supposed to be like the equivalent of a new island quantity of missions ?
you're not niko bellic this time, right ?

According to Gamespot, it's best if you have finished IV before you start L&D, because the storylines crossover. Yeah, you're not Niko.

I'm going to wait until I give up on Fallout before I try this.

okay, and this is important, but the choppers in lost & damned multiplayer shoot killer explosive ammo. once you get one you pretty much win - cue hilarious game last night, where every time i respawned i haired off towards heliport, only to get NAPALMED driving over the bridge.

are bikes really easier to drive than in gtaIV ? I am really bad at driving these (so the missions where you have no choice were a drag).

ha been playin thru this, ok so far, only felt compelled to post upon getting to the naked dude. do they need controversy that bad?

I'm kinda impressed by this so far. They really concentrated their development time on the storytelling and on creating cool scenarios. It has a different feel than GTA IV did, even though it uses the same map.

yeah, i'd agree. most missions include some little twist in the gameplay. and they're HARD! finally

v/o is really good too

I finished L&D. I think it was the most satisfying GTA experience I've had, maybe. One awesome mission after another, no babysitting, no taking dudes out to drink or to strip clubs ... just a bunch of well-orchestrated hyperviolent battles, and with well-written characters who never annoyed me.

hyperviolent battles doesn't sound good to me because the combat was never the heart of GTA games and is really not very good in GTA IV :(

the problem with combat is when combatants get too close to me, especially whilst still in hide mode, nico just fails to be able to respond to close range attacks without performing some random action.

Also on top of that is the horrendous frame rate slow down on the ps3 when there's more than 3 explosions on screen.

having said that i'm still having heaps of fun with this game even now, and last night i successfully stole and saved my first fbi car! i sneaked to the top of a chimney tower for a snipe, at the same time i blocked the bottom of the ladder off with a car so cops couldn't climb up. waited for an fbi to turn up, slid down the ladder and in a hail of angry gun fire off i went. a bit too excited i flipped the car and had to get in another car to nudge it upright again.

a bit too excited i flipped the car and had to get in another car to nudge it upright again.

I'd never think of doing that, I'd just be like "ah shit another car wasted" and go steal something else.

The next GTA incarnation needs a recovery service where you can phone some dude to pick up your trashed cars and fix them up and run up a tab for you.

i don't normally do it either but it was a rare fbi buffalo

san andreas had an impound section in some of the police stations, your last car would be saved there before your arrest. it was underground and i remember seeing a helicopter there on a few occasions lol.