uh TOS made a VERY BIG DEAL out of it. First interracial kiss etc
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
see also: "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield", numerous references to 20th century racism (Nazi planet, "Space Seed", etc.)
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
This idealized version of Mad Men that you are all describing sounds absolutely terrible.
― Darin, Friday, 27 April 2012 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
I was agreeing with contenderizer's statement that "the problem is that the show doesn't devote much time to the day-to-day advertising work that sustains the company".
contenderizer only meant this was a problem in the context of evaluating how well Peggy (and others) actually are at their jobs, not that it was a problem in terms of the show itself. which I thought he made clear.
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
er well = good
I'm curious as to what the "idealized version" of Mad Men anyone is describing is.
― Melissa W, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
Peggy is black and owns and insurance company that solves advertising-related crimes every week
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
roger sterling plays the janitor, who barfs at inappropriate moments
carries a bucket of sawdust.
― jed_, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
well, i assume an idealized version involves the show taking on issues of race and people of colour in a more head-on manner as well as dealing with a more successful female copywriter character to better reflect a specific part of reality. nothing wrong with wanting that, mind. though i'd imagine you'd hope they did it in a more entertaining fashion that weiner and his writing staff.
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
To me 'idealized' as a pejorative though implies that I want the show to be American Dreams or something that is generally softer and kinder to the time period. Which couldn't be further from what I want.
― Melissa W, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:29 (eleven years ago) link
my impressions is we were discussing "idealized" in the sense of what version of the show would most satisfy you.
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
I guess I'd like to know why that "sounds terrible" then.
― Melissa W, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:35 (eleven years ago) link
I'd keep Roger barfing if it helps.
― Melissa W, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think it sounds terrible, though it would most definitely be a minefield that could get very terrible, very quickly.
It's not this show, though.
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
can't believe nobody's pulled up that roger barfing gif yet btw.
is there anything on this show that ISN'T an anigif
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:37 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but barfing was og iirc
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
with the weird dance everyone was was doing in the background
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:53 (eleven years ago) link
what interests me is seeing the characters talk through ad campaigns, have a moment of inspiration, pitch the campaign, run the campaign.
while this is fine - most campaigns don't go this smoothly. insert after "pitch the campaign", "get shot down by client, come up with even more inspired concept, get shot down, present a safe, uninspired pile, run campaign."
which is more similar to what we were seeing with those fucking beans!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
it seems the AMC series "The Pitch" is gonna scratch that itch
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:58 (eleven years ago) link
well, i live that, so... :S
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
not heard of the Pitch tho, will check 'er out.
It's not started yet. They just had a preview episode on a few weeks back. Reality series about ad agencies (or teams of ad men or whatever) pitching.
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Saturday, 28 April 2012 00:02 (eleven years ago) link
it's no fun if it's reali want good scripting
― "in this super-sexy postracial age" (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 April 2012 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
"the two of us in the same room, looking at each other every once in a while"
― johnny crunch, Monday, 30 April 2012 02:43 (eleven years ago) link
would hang out with sally draper and roger sterling
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 30 April 2012 02:48 (eleven years ago) link
lmao at homegirl pretending to like fish rite there
― arsenio and old ma$e (m bison), Monday, 30 April 2012 02:50 (eleven years ago) link
this ep owns
Hope all these Twin Peaks homages (at least in terms of casting) lead to something...
― ryan, Monday, 30 April 2012 02:52 (eleven years ago) link
loljewham
― Grimy Little Pimp (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:05 (eleven years ago) link
smh @ roger
who all was on twin peaks?
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:06 (eleven years ago) link
lol'd p hard @ 'interesting bowls' in the heinz pitch
― johnny crunch, Monday, 30 April 2012 03:07 (eleven years ago) link
Ken's dad & the girl Don strangled a few eps back
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:08 (eleven years ago) link
I was happy to see creepy Glen! Telling her to check out the Loving Spoonful! Answering the phone naked, with his winter coat on!
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:09 (eleven years ago) link
I love creepy Glen!
"How's the city?""Dirty."
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 30 April 2012 03:12 (eleven years ago) link
oh that's the weird kid from the suburbs? i didn't realize that. hahaha
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:14 (eleven years ago) link
what was megan's original ambition? to act?
― supreme sundae (reddening), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:19 (eleven years ago) link
never really been revealed
― Grimy Little Pimp (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:23 (eleven years ago) link
yes "acting" but that's probably a metaphor or some shit
pls let it be "lead québécois uprising"
― arsenio and old ma$e (m bison), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:29 (eleven years ago) link
goddamn autocorrect actually helping me look fancy
― arsenio and old ma$e (m bison), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:30 (eleven years ago) link
She moved to ny to act.
― dan selzer, Monday, 30 April 2012 03:56 (eleven years ago) link
Great episode. Tableau at the end of the awards dinner was awesome.
― s.clover, Monday, 30 April 2012 03:58 (eleven years ago) link
Just realized that was Julia Ormond.
― LaMonte, Monday, 30 April 2012 04:02 (eleven years ago) link
!!!
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 04:09 (eleven years ago) link
when megan first explains her idea for the heinz thing she really acts like peggy (in season 1)
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 30 April 2012 04:24 (eleven years ago) link
I couldn't get a read on how Megan felt during Peggy's congratulations. It sort of felt like "uh, thanks."
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 30 April 2012 04:26 (eleven years ago) link
I figured it was her feeling a little unsure how to take it, as though maybe she felt semi-guilty for accomplishing something via Don even if it really was all her. Maybe I'm just reading into her dad's speech though.
― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Monday, 30 April 2012 04:33 (eleven years ago) link
peggy: "this is as good as this job gets!"
could be that megan is thinking, really? this is as good as it gets? get me the hell out of here!
i mean, maybe she doesn't actually want to work in advertising
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Monday, 30 April 2012 04:49 (eleven years ago) link