The Band - Music from Big Pink poll

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Voted for "Caledonia Mission" but almost voted for "To Kingdom Come"

Stars on 45 Fell on Alabama (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 26 April 2012 01:09 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

"To Kingdom Come" wuz robbed, Rick Danko's bass playing on it is fantastic

Too Busy Thinking About Mr. Abie (Tom D.), Friday, 22 June 2012 14:37 (six years ago) Permalink

I'll admit to being one of the people who's obsessed with The Band's first two albums but rarely feels the need to explore very far into their later work.

Same here, pretty much, even though "Stage Fright" itself is possibly my favourite song by them. There are some great songs on the other albums and they always play and sing immaculately and I can never think of an occasion when they embarrass themselves but, I don't know, the tunes just aren't there

Too Busy Thinking About Mr. Abie (Tom D.), Friday, 22 June 2012 14:42 (six years ago) Permalink

stage fright is pretty solid through and through, tho it doesn't have as many classics. moondog matinee is a fun record, too. cahoots has always bored me.

tylerw, Friday, 22 June 2012 15:00 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Moondog Matinee is fun, and with a lot of great singing by Richard at his best. Also the extra lyrics to "Mystery Train"!

Stumpy Joe's Cafe (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 June 2012 16:22 (six years ago) Permalink

The bonus tracks on the Moondog cd are quite something--mostly Levon numbers plus a runthrough of "Endless Highway" w/Manuel singing and playing a great piano lead.

Electro-Shock Rory (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 22 June 2012 16:48 (six years ago) Permalink

Wait, I'm tripping: the Manuel "Endless Highway" is on the Cahoots reissue. Danko sings the Moondog version, which originally was on the Watkins Glen album with dubbed-in audience noise.

Electro-Shock Rory (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 22 June 2012 17:01 (six years ago) Permalink

The Weight would be my favorite song ever if I had a goddamn clue what the lyrics were about.

Everything You Like Sucks, Friday, 22 June 2012 18:47 (six years ago) Permalink

lyrics to the weight are like steinbeck's cannery row reproduced in miniature imo

carly rae (flopson), Friday, 22 June 2012 19:45 (six years ago) Permalink

Thought they were a picture of a dreamscape inspired by Luis Buñuel's Exterminating Angel

Stumpy Joe's Cafe (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 June 2012 19:47 (six years ago) Permalink

it's just imo; i've read that but i've never seen the film but i have read cannery row

carly rae (flopson), Friday, 22 June 2012 20:34 (six years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

Interesting negative review of new Bob Clearmountain remix: https://variety.com/2018/music/reviews/album-review-the-bands-music-from-big-pink-50th-anniversary-edition-1202915160/

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 24 August 2018 22:04 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah fuck that shit

brimstead, Friday, 24 August 2018 22:56 (two months ago) Permalink

The murkiness is essential to this album's brilliance

brimstead, Friday, 24 August 2018 22:57 (two months ago) Permalink

The fuck? Whose incredibly bad idea was this?

I can't think of a single engineer more ill-suited to a Big Pink remix. But while he's at it, White Light/White Heat could surely use some massive stadium-sounding reverb.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 24 August 2018 23:33 (two months ago) Permalink

Lol

The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 25 August 2018 00:56 (two months ago) Permalink

Damn, and my copy is arriving today. I'm not nearly as excited now.

Jazzbo, Friday, 31 August 2018 14:04 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm sure that remaster thing is horrible if you all think so, but personally could never get into The Band's studio album, production is so muted and dry, clumsy (unlike that golden 70s dry style found on something like FM's "Dreams", one of the best sounding songs of all time) whereas I love The Last Waltz

I can't really enjoy the studio version of the amazing The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down (love it on Before the Flood though, hell I even like Joan Baez' cover, it's a great song)

niels, Friday, 31 August 2018 14:10 (two months ago) Permalink

studio albums* that's supposed to say

niels, Friday, 31 August 2018 14:10 (two months ago) Permalink

I did think the Sgt. Pepper remix was a revelation, however.

Jazzbo, Friday, 31 August 2018 14:17 (two months ago) Permalink

muted and dry

Isn't that a really good description of what The Band were all about, though?

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 31 August 2018 14:18 (two months ago) Permalink

that's entirely possible - I guess my introduction to them was the (relative) grandeur of TLW and so that's kinda what I go for

but I like the Basement Tapes, and they're understated, chaotic

niels, Friday, 31 August 2018 14:29 (two months ago) Permalink

(xp) I think that's exactly what blew everyone's minds back in the day.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Friday, 31 August 2018 14:42 (two months ago) Permalink

I remember reading Joe Boyd saying Fairport drove him mad trying to get their drum sound as close to the Band s/t as humanly possible.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Friday, 31 August 2018 14:43 (two months ago) Permalink

niels, rumors was made like 10 years after MFBP wtf dude, unfair studio wizardry fight

brimstead, Friday, 31 August 2018 22:14 (two months ago) Permalink

hehe, I would def enjoy a thread on studio wizardry through the ages, here's a 1960 cut that's unbelievably clear:

https://open.spotify.com/track/73m8WuJlhzVusTVzJCGaDZ

some 60s album with (to my taste) impeccable production off the top of my head: Abbey Road, Ziggy Stardust, The Doors, Everybody Knows This is Nowhere, In a Silent Way

but my taste is perhaps a bit weird, like the production on Forever Changes, for instance, does nothing for me

niels, Saturday, 1 September 2018 07:49 (two months ago) Permalink

Ziggy Stardust is 1972 and the rest are 1969 - apart from the Doors. Seems like you don't 60s production much.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Saturday, 1 September 2018 10:56 (two months ago) Permalink

oops, I always get Ziggy date wrong

hmm I like a lot of 60s music

niels, Saturday, 1 September 2018 12:16 (two months ago) Permalink

Doing the Pepsi challenge with the remix against the original and it's ... not bad. The biggest thing is Levon's drums and Rick's bass given much more prominence. (Some may say too much in Levon's case — he sounds like a timpani on "The Weight.") Some of the instruments (like the piano and organ on "We Can Talk") are moved more to center in parts — stuff like that. It doesn't really sound much "brighter" to these ears. But I've never really had hi-fi ears. Anyway, I'm digging it so far. The a capella version of "I Shall Be Released" is gorgeous.

Jazzbo, Saturday, 1 September 2018 12:50 (two months ago) Permalink

It does have a little more "presence," like they're playing in the same room as you. But as others have pointed out, the fact that Big Pink souded so muted was part of the appeal.

Jazzbo, Saturday, 1 September 2018 12:53 (two months ago) Permalink

OK, "Wheels on Fire" sounds horrible in this version. And the studio chatter added to the start of a couple of tracks is pretty pointless.

Jazzbo, Saturday, 1 September 2018 13:26 (two months ago) Permalink

Is the remix an additional version on this new release? Or is it now the only version available?

Duke, Saturday, 1 September 2018 15:00 (two months ago) Permalink

Erlewine turns in a long review but only spends an paragraph discussing the “bright, discordant new remix”: https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/the-band-music-from-big-pink/

Music From Big Pink may be rooted in the earth but it exists entirely within the head. The way it makes roots music sound as impressionistic and idiosyncratic as any other kind of rock’n’roll is revolutionary. It casts a very distinct spell, which is why it’s so unsettling that the new Bob Clearmountain mix breaks this moody magic. Clearmountain takes pains to separate the elements that were previously inextricably intertwined, shattering the specific otherworldliness that has been retained in every reissue of the album over the past fifty years. Sometimes, certain parts are pushed to the forefront—the call and response on “We Can Talk” by Helm and Danko are isolated from each other—and sometimes, everything piles on to of each other, as on the cacophonic “This Wheel’s on Fire.” Worse, extraneous studio chatter has been added to “The Weight” and “Lonesome Suzie,” a move that punctures the illusion that Music From Big Pink materialized out of thin air from a cheap rental house in the woods of New York.

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Saturday, 1 September 2018 16:49 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm sure that remaster thing is horrible if you all think so, but personally could never get into The Band's studio album, production is so muted and dry, clumsy (unlike that golden 70s dry style found on something like FM's "Dreams", one of the best sounding songs of all time) whereas I love The Last Waltz

If you haven't heard Northern Lights Southern Cross give it a listen, its production is cleaner than the first two albums and it contains two of their finest songs in "Acadian Driftwood" and "It Makes No Difference".

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Saturday, 1 September 2018 20:33 (two months ago) Permalink

The latter song is sooooooo beautiful. I love the Mekons cover and its ridiculous video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42WnZxLYWrM

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 September 2018 20:40 (two months ago) Permalink

And check out this vintage gem!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uUFMumwXkk

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 September 2018 20:42 (two months ago) Permalink

xp thanks will do! It Makes No Difference is certainly one of the highlights of The Last Waltz, fantastic song (and some great shredding, too)

niels, Sunday, 2 September 2018 09:48 (two months ago) Permalink

wow had never heard Acadian Driftwood before but that is indeed very good songwriting

so weird how Robertson tapped into these themes

niels, Sunday, 2 September 2018 09:51 (two months ago) Permalink

wait a minute you guys never polled The Last Waltz???

niels, Sunday, 2 September 2018 10:04 (two months ago) Permalink

hmm to poll the original triple LP or the 2002 4-CD version...

niels, Sunday, 2 September 2018 10:05 (two months ago) Permalink

Two great songs in their last 6 or 7 seven years - they didn't exactly maintain their batting average tbh.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 September 2018 10:17 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah the first two albums, NLSC and The Last Waltz are all you need really.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Sunday, 2 September 2018 18:30 (two months ago) Permalink

What about Rock of Ages?

The Great Atomic Power Ballad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 September 2018 19:09 (two months ago) Permalink

stage fright is really great

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 2 September 2018 19:34 (two months ago) Permalink

way better than northern lights

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 2 September 2018 19:34 (two months ago) Permalink

"Stage Fright" is pretty good - but still a step down from the first two.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 September 2018 19:49 (two months ago) Permalink

What about /Rock of Ages/?


One of their best. For me, it’s up there with the first two records, and vastly superior to The Last Waltz.

Also, fun fact: apart from trumpeter Snooky Young, everyone in the Rock Of Ages horn section played with Cecil Taylor and/or Bill Dixon at one time or another.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 2 September 2018 20:21 (two months ago) Permalink

"It Makes No Difference" is one of the greatest recordings.

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 2 September 2018 20:27 (two months ago) Permalink

The last waltz is kind of lame

brimstead, Sunday, 2 September 2018 20:43 (two months ago) Permalink

moondog matinee kinda rules. i mean, i'd take a whole album of levon helm disco rockabilly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQFE113iDx4

worst one is probably cahoots, but even that has some good stuff on it.

tylerw, Sunday, 2 September 2018 21:58 (two months ago) Permalink


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