Defend the Indefensible: Kentucky

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It's just a great state, politics aside. Louisville and Lexington are all-time.

And per BBQ, nah, it may be unique but it's just not that notable, though I think the eastern part of the state has more going on in that front. Plenty of other food to make up for it, though.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:17 (six years ago) Permalink

The urban / rural political divide is worth noting. McConnell and his kind of conservative bs is what people think of first. But Kentucky also has Yarmouth representing the Louisville congressional district and Lexington has a openly gay mayor Jim Gray.

People thinking of visiting Louisville could not do any better than staying at the 21c museum / hotel.

There are plans for a new 21c in Lexington as well, but they just announced plans last month.

beat hitachi, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:26 (six years ago) Permalink

Do you ever, you know, get tired of Papa John's?

pplains, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:33 (six years ago) Permalink

We stayed at the 21C a month ago. Neat hotel, worth the cost (at least for one night) because it's so close to all sorts of stuff. The bar/restaurant is great, too, and completely changed how I mix an Old Fashioned.

The politics ... I mean, Oregon is a very divided state, though you'd never guess it from Portland or Eugene or Olympia or whatever. But on a national scale, they lean democratic. Kentucky, there may be local outpost of liberalism, but the on state-wide and national levels, the state seems to default hard right: Mitch, Rand, federal judges ...

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:34 (six years ago) Permalink

Is Papa John's a Kentucky joint?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:34 (six years ago) Permalink

Papa John's, UPS and all those YUM brands.

pplains, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:36 (six years ago) Permalink

Here's where the Louisville Cardinals play:

You can't expect the same town that's home to Churchill Downs, the Louisville Slugger and Muhammed Ali to be 100% perfect, right?

pplains, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:38 (six years ago) Permalink

Best time in Kentucky:
Louisville - Sitting on a back porch in the early summer in that soft, night air, drinking bourbon and singing along with some folks playing guitar. It was such a small moment but I remember it so well because it felt nearly magical.

Worst time in Kentucky:
Paducah - Going with a traveling companion to buy acid from a total tweaker, small-town KY wannabe drug kingpin and his terrifying minions and sitting in his living room while he smoked meth and talked about all of his guns, wondering seriously whether my companion would intervene on my behalf if things went horribly wrong for me.

Most hilarious time in Kentucky:
Trying to order a burrito with no meat, just beans from the Paducah Taco John's drive through. "You want no meat, just beef?" "No meant just BEANS! B-E-A-N-S!" "You don't want meat on your burrito?" "Just beans." "Just beef?"

I'm way too much of a Yankee to want to live in the south again, but overall, KY was very pretty and I would totally go camping there.

Polly biscuit face (carl agatha), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:47 (six years ago) Permalink

Oh, man, I went to a late-night Walmart close to Louisville when I was there, to buy cold medicine. They had closed down all the lanes but two, so not only were the lines long, I got to watch all the weirdos waiting in them. Some woman waiting 20 minutes to buy a belt - at 10:30 on a Saturday night! The dude behind me, buying a discount NCAA basketball, was wobbly drunk. The guy un front of me had a shopping cart with three packs of bacon in it. Every single person there was buying - and waiting in a long line to buy!- something totally batshit for a Saturday night. But of course, this goes on everywhere.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:53 (six years ago) Permalink

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:53 (six years ago) Permalink

> Do you ever, you know, get tired of Papa John's?

Never eat the stuff really. If I want a slice, I'll grab some Papalino's >> Impellezeri's >> or Spinelli's. For some reason Louisville natives rep for Beano's 'Louisville style pizza', which to me is just hot garbage covered in cheese and should be tried for crimes against pizza in the Hague or something. I'm told it used to be good.

beat hitachi, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:03 (six years ago) Permalink


beat hitachi, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:06 (six years ago) Permalink

Great thing about Kentucky is that its abbreviation is "KY."

People aren't for comparing, they are for loving. (Je55e), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:34 (six years ago) Permalink

Appalshop -

and their radio station, WMMT

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:27 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Seconded. And I love that it's just down the street from the Harry Caudill Library.

My only extended time in Kentucky gave me a pretty weird view of things, because I was in the mountains, doing interviews with people involved in (or affiliated with people involved in) this horrible thing. Grim towns there, always seemed too dark to me because the mountains crowd the sky so much, roads full of coal trucks, and everybody I talked to had some kind of horrible backstory: abuse, assault, drugs, poverty, etc etc. I spent an evening in the trailer of a 20-year-old girl who had to keep interrupting the interview when people would show up to buy pills and weed from her. I heard she landed in a mental hospital a year or two later.

Otoh, hanging out at Appalshop one day I met a woman who had a great story about how her dad used to own Dock Boggs' banjo. I checked it out and it was true, which eventually led to me making a visit to Mike Seeger in Virginia to see the banjo. So that was cool.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:47 (six years ago) Permalink

Also, put this in the "pro" column:

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:51 (six years ago) Permalink

Jesus Christ about those murders, tipsy. Not going to shake that from my head too easily.

fruitsbs (beachville), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:51 (six years ago) Permalink

I pulled off in the hometown of the Everly Bros one night and took a piss behind a catalog store.

pplains, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 16:02 (six years ago) Permalink

so there was pretty much no motive behind those murders? did they just need a van?

the late great, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 16:12 (six years ago) Permalink

Pretty much. I have my own theory about how/why it happened based on the personalities and dynamics of the six Kentucky kids, but when it comes down to it it was just an awful, nearly random thing.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:32 (six years ago) Permalink

(ifwiw the article I wrote about it is the first thing linked in the footnotes to that wiki entry)

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:34 (six years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

reviving this thread to ask tipsy if he'd be willing to share a bit more about his theory on the Lillelid murders.

i have no connection to the case, just curious.

what a sad story.

alpine static, Thursday, 24 July 2014 08:02 (four years ago) Permalink

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