As far as defending it: everyone OTM about about the natural beauty. I miss the mountains and waterfalls that you can take for granted there.
I saw some Southern culture there that I thought were exaggerations from movies or stories. The music, the old South buildings and historical points, and the horse culture around Louisville, and the poor parts of rural areas.
― People aren't for comparing, they are for loving. (Je55e), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 04:53 (five years ago) Permalink
where haven't you lived, je55e p3tty
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 04:54 (five years ago) Permalink
I grew up in Kentucky, in Louisville, from age 4 through 18.
It is very, very beautiful in the countryside, and there were some amazing human beings too.
The drawbacks are what you'd expect: the terrible, pervasive and insidious racism that parcels up public space and keeps people afraid and mutually incongruous to each other, ignorance, ugliness, natural destruction and greed (especially tragic: the way that stripmining sold out communities and the land, the way that mining companies defrauded and cheated workers who were made sick through their labor)
Real high points were going to school out in the countryside in Goshen, KY- the school bus ride through horse country. Going spelunking in caves every summer as a child at camp, and visits to Mammoth cave. Hearing bluegrass music played by great players. The Victorian homes in the Old Louisville neighborhood. And the Louisville, KY hardcore scene of the mid-1980s was for me an incredible bonus, lots of inspiring music made by kids on their own terms. (Slint played my high school's battle of the bands, if that tells you anything).
Other drawback: i think a statistically unusual number of people around me in Lousiville were, or are, insane / mentally ill / unable to become self-sufficient adults. It honestly makes me wonder if there wasn't "somethin in the water", because it just doesn't compare with most people I know from other places as far as the sheer number of people who wound up incarcerated, on SSI or some other psych meds, or just burnt out and spiritually "gone". Everybody's parents seemed to work for tobacco companies, or liquor, or the horses, so maybe it's something to do with that? I don't know. But I still love to go back there.
― the tune was space, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 04:58 (five years ago) Permalink
I haven't lived in KY, just visited.
― People aren't for comparing, they are for loving. (Je55e), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 04:59 (five years ago) Permalink
Lexington and vicinity was really beautiful when we went for a long weekend a few years ago.
― improvised explosive advice (WmC), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 05:33 (five years ago) Permalink
Wow guys, so this is awesome. It seems like Kentucky is PLENTY defensible. Would have liked to see an outpouring like this for Oklahoma. I'll have to think long and hard about which red state I'm going to pick next.
― fruitsbs (beachville), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 09:17 (five years ago) Permalink
guys a red sox fan i may be but first and foremost i was - and will always be - a knoxville sox fan, i mean the knoxville blue jays, sorry, i mean the tennessee smokies who now play IN SEVIERVILLE GAH
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 09:39 (five years ago) Permalink
It seems like Kentucky is PLENTY defensible. Would have liked to see an outpouring like this for Oklahoma.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 09:40 (five years ago) Permalink
so not gonna happen
well, I'm getting my bearings.
― fruitsbs (beachville), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 09:41 (five years ago) Permalink
OK is seriously just horrible
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 09:48 (five years ago) Permalink
i grew up in cincinnati, across the river from kentucky. more significant, my dad was born & raised in louisville and we regularly visited my grandparents there. so i have GREAT memories of kentucky. it's similar to cincinnati in terms of being a river port but always seemed less industrial and hence prettier, more southern and laid-back. skipping stones in cherokee park, sitting around my grandparents house while the adults drank whiskey and argued - fun!
northern ky is a different bag, essentially the suburbs of cincinnati. when i was a kid, newport was the gambling/strip club "sin city" across the river. as the pictures upthread demonstrate, parks in the rest of kentucky are beautiful: caves, gorges and lakes. the horse farms around lexington look great when you're driving south. appalachia is a region to itself, really. there was a lot of anti-hillbilly prejudice in cincinnati due to the large influx of refugees from the mountains. even though people from louisville had (gentle) southern accents and we didn't, i always thought cinci was more redneck/racist.
― (REAL NAME) (m coleman), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 10:44 (five years ago) Permalink
Maybe I should do Ohio.
― fruitsbs (beachville), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 11:50 (five years ago) Permalink
Completely stealing this from JFK or somebody but -
LOUISVILLE - Northern efficiency, Southern charm.WASHINGTON DC - Southern efficiency, Northern charm.
― pplains, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 13:48 (five years ago) Permalink
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 13:50 (five years ago) Permalink
I've live in Louisville and used to live in Lexington. I've lived and visited many states in the US, and have come to the conclusion that there's nowhere I'd rather live than Kentucky at this point.
Louisville has an awesome network of parks in the city designed by Olmstead.
The Old Louisville neighborhood is the largest preserved collection of Victorian homes in the US and is located on the site of the Southern Exposition.
― beat hitachi, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:04 (five years ago) Permalink
there's nowhere I'd rather live than Kentucky at this point.
Even if I don't feel that way about Kentucky it makes me so happy to hear somebody say this about their home state
― poxen, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:10 (five years ago) Permalink
It's just a great state, politics aside. Louisville and Lexington are all-time.
And per BBQ, nah, it may be unique but it's just not that notable, though I think the eastern part of the state has more going on in that front. Plenty of other food to make up for it, though.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:17 (five years ago) Permalink
The urban / rural political divide is worth noting. McConnell and his kind of conservative bs is what people think of first. But Kentucky also has Yarmouth representing the Louisville congressional district and Lexington has a openly gay mayor Jim Gray.
People thinking of visiting Louisville could not do any better than staying at the 21c museum / hotel.
There are plans for a new 21c in Lexington as well, but they just announced plans last month.
― beat hitachi, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:26 (five years ago) Permalink
Do you ever, you know, get tired of Papa John's?
― pplains, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:33 (five years ago) Permalink
We stayed at the 21C a month ago. Neat hotel, worth the cost (at least for one night) because it's so close to all sorts of stuff. The bar/restaurant is great, too, and completely changed how I mix an Old Fashioned.
The politics ... I mean, Oregon is a very divided state, though you'd never guess it from Portland or Eugene or Olympia or whatever. But on a national scale, they lean democratic. Kentucky, there may be local outpost of liberalism, but the on state-wide and national levels, the state seems to default hard right: Mitch, Rand, federal judges ...
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:34 (five years ago) Permalink
Is Papa John's a Kentucky joint?
Papa John's, UPS and all those YUM brands.
― pplains, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:36 (five years ago) Permalink
Here's where the Louisville Cardinals play:
You can't expect the same town that's home to Churchill Downs, the Louisville Slugger and Muhammed Ali to be 100% perfect, right?
― pplains, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:38 (five years ago) Permalink
Best time in Kentucky:Louisville - Sitting on a back porch in the early summer in that soft, night air, drinking bourbon and singing along with some folks playing guitar. It was such a small moment but I remember it so well because it felt nearly magical.
Worst time in Kentucky:Paducah - Going with a traveling companion to buy acid from a total tweaker, small-town KY wannabe drug kingpin and his terrifying minions and sitting in his living room while he smoked meth and talked about all of his guns, wondering seriously whether my companion would intervene on my behalf if things went horribly wrong for me.
Most hilarious time in Kentucky:Trying to order a burrito with no meat, just beans from the Paducah Taco John's drive through. "You want no meat, just beef?" "No meant just BEANS! B-E-A-N-S!" "You don't want meat on your burrito?" "Just beans." "Just beef?"
I'm way too much of a Yankee to want to live in the south again, but overall, KY was very pretty and I would totally go camping there.
― Polly biscuit face (carl agatha), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:47 (five years ago) Permalink
Oh, man, I went to a late-night Walmart close to Louisville when I was there, to buy cold medicine. They had closed down all the lanes but two, so not only were the lines long, I got to watch all the weirdos waiting in them. Some woman waiting 20 minutes to buy a belt - at 10:30 on a Saturday night! The dude behind me, buying a discount NCAA basketball, was wobbly drunk. The guy un front of me had a shopping cart with three packs of bacon in it. Every single person there was buying - and waiting in a long line to buy!- something totally batshit for a Saturday night. But of course, this goes on everywhere.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:53 (five years ago) Permalink
> Do you ever, you know, get tired of Papa John's?
Never eat the stuff really. If I want a slice, I'll grab some Papalino's >> Impellezeri's >> or Spinelli's. For some reason Louisville natives rep for Beano's 'Louisville style pizza', which to me is just hot garbage covered in cheese and should be tried for crimes against pizza in the Hague or something. I'm told it used to be good.
― beat hitachi, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:03 (five years ago) Permalink
― beat hitachi, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:06 (five years ago) Permalink
Great thing about Kentucky is that its abbreviation is "KY."
― People aren't for comparing, they are for loving. (Je55e), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:34 (five years ago) Permalink
Appalshop - http://appalshop.org/
and their radio station, WMMT
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:27 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Seconded. And I love that it's just down the street from the Harry Caudill Library.
My only extended time in Kentucky gave me a pretty weird view of things, because I was in the mountains, doing interviews with people involved in (or affiliated with people involved in) this horrible thing. Grim towns there, always seemed too dark to me because the mountains crowd the sky so much, roads full of coal trucks, and everybody I talked to had some kind of horrible backstory: abuse, assault, drugs, poverty, etc etc. I spent an evening in the trailer of a 20-year-old girl who had to keep interrupting the interview when people would show up to buy pills and weed from her. I heard she landed in a mental hospital a year or two later.
Otoh, hanging out at Appalshop one day I met a woman who had a great story about how her dad used to own Dock Boggs' banjo. I checked it out and it was true, which eventually led to me making a visit to Mike Seeger in Virginia to see the banjo. So that was cool.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:47 (five years ago) Permalink
Also, put this in the "pro" column: http://www.newsomscountryham.com/
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:51 (five years ago) Permalink
Jesus Christ about those murders, tipsy. Not going to shake that from my head too easily.
― fruitsbs (beachville), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:51 (five years ago) Permalink
I pulled off in the hometown of the Everly Bros one night and took a piss behind a catalog store.
― pplains, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 16:02 (five years ago) Permalink
so there was pretty much no motive behind those murders? did they just need a van?
― the late great, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 16:12 (five years ago) Permalink
Pretty much. I have my own theory about how/why it happened based on the personalities and dynamics of the six Kentucky kids, but when it comes down to it it was just an awful, nearly random thing.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:32 (five years ago) Permalink
(ifwiw the article I wrote about it is the first thing linked in the footnotes to that wiki entry)
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:34 (five years ago) Permalink
reviving this thread to ask tipsy if he'd be willing to share a bit more about his theory on the Lillelid murders.
i have no connection to the case, just curious.
what a sad story.
― alpine static, Thursday, 24 July 2014 08:02 (three years ago) Permalink