naffest genre in 2012

hmm the true termite-annoyance has to be cover bands imo

i'm struggling to come around to a populist/popist defense of them but i just can't

happy hardcore - fucking excellent die if you disagree
screamo - don't know what this is really
surf rock - yeah i guess
trip hop - fucking a what wd broadsheet music crits have to sneer at if this didn't exist?
nu metal & rap rock - frequently enjoyable, i was wrong about them in the past
chiptune - kind of harmless nerdster scene, occasionally inspires actual music
jam band - lol weed

i like covers bands because sometimes they are enjoyable to watch in a pub round the corner from yr house in a way that the people they are covering probly wouldn't be

I can't hate surf rock - must be a generational/local thing

i've wanted to do a thread on cover bands for a while! sort of like the 'bar bands of the 70s' thread but more point-and-laugh obv

i was ambiguous, i don't think surf rock is terrible.

i always find myself saying it but it's not genres that give pain, it's people who live for a scene that weird me out

cover bands = classic, when it's a bunch of white-haired dads practicing in the garage and playing shows at bars like a bunch of teenagers

i still like happy hardcore and trip hop, sort of played out but not naff at all

evangelical christian rock / folk / singer-songwriter = very very naff

cosigning though on surf rock, chiptune and jam bands

wrt covers bands: I would rather see a band of mediocre talents and imagination play songs written by talented imaginative musicians than songs they wrote themselves.

nobody mentioned seapunk yet?

even the OG surf rock is only good for about three tunes

and when you compare them to contemporaneous instrumental stuff like link wray ...

come on, seapunk is not a real genre

there's a taxonomy to cover bands; there's party bands (the broadest), genre-centered cover bands, band-centered tribute bands, some strictly musical, others going for the whole look.

then there are more conceptual cover bands who have some kind of angle, like the kiss band that's all little people, or 'lez zeppelin' etc

round here there was a band called metallagher that, yup, played metallica and smashed fruit onstage

xp yes i don't anyone on earth has mentioned seapunk is the thing

or 'kissfits', half dressed like kiss the other like the misfits and they played both bands' songs

it's people who live for a scene that weird me out

Even as a kid all the ppl who doubled down on whatever youth culture genre they were into struck me as, well, immature. Liking the scene I get, even being influenced, okay, but trying to be the punkest of the punk or the ska-ist of the ska is just nagl esp when it gets co-opted and just turns into being a rliable customer of the required brands.

pretty sure a lot of single-band covers bands end up being tighter than the guys they're emulating, cf. that time Phil Collins played along with a Genesis tribute band and found it really hard to play some of his old prog stuff.

ha that's like a heartbreaking short story

Well, a band's songs reflect a moment in their progression. For a cover band there's no progression to anything but competence.

seapunk = kids who got together witch house / chillwave "bands", suddenly realized the triangle trend is dying, desperately trying to figure out some way to stand out from the pack

i once saw a frank zappa cover band that i'm pretty sure blew away the OGs (ok there was one of the OGs fronting the band)

would like to see a mayhem cover band

if evangelical christian folk includes Mumford and Sons then i'm cosigning this one

is there a steampunk genre yet? i know there's two or three bands out there...

what would that even sound like? i'm imagining NIN with music hall on the PA while they tune up

it sounds like bottles being hurled at the stage in my head

welp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abney_Park_%28band%29

Becoming Steampunk

In early 2006, Abney Park transformed themselves from a largely goth industrial band into a steampunk band.

that's one of the bands i was thinking of

Dresden Dolls were steampunk, yes?

Gramophone distortion

Oddly enough I wanted to like Dresden Dolls. I went to see them and they and their audience annoyed me so much I gave my rather good seat to a pretty girl and left.

I heard Unicorn Kid was Seapunk?

I loved his EP from late last year.

There is a Seapunk night in Melbourne, should I go?

Steampunk… band? o.O

Is seapunk where you get a tattoo of a gold earring or eyepatch?

surf rock - yeah i guess

I'm a bit biased since I'm in a band that plays some surf/instro stuff, but I've never had a bad time with anything Los Straitjackets or Shadowy Men On A Shadowy Planet-related. And Los Twang Marvels rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7FEfqy1Xg8&feature=relmfu

There is a Seapunk night in Melbourne, should I go?

you should show up and request glowwave traxx

u should go in a yellow fluoro body glove springsuit

djent?

anyway the naffest genre in 2012 is 'drake'

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1p1ugl8iH1rsnvc2o1_500.png

more like ctrl-z amirite

oh wait that says ctrix not ctrl-x

#haircut

Keith Party! features and strangely pays homage to a friend of mine (and former ILX poster / grime fan) Keith McDougall.

Though when they played on our tv show it seemed more like some kind of impromptu student happening primarily influenced by (a) Beastie Boys and (b) T-Shirt's "You Sexy Thing" than anything I could or would describe as "seapunk".

But 3 years is a long time I guess.

Oh okay, they're the same, but with more synths:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2KSFCyWo9U

I... cannot endorse this. Sorry Keith!

lol

i would probably go to a seapunk nite tho it could be fun

College Acapella

xpost I would be happy if it does indeed sound more like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47qEeWLZhwQ

this is Unicorn Kid the little Scottish fella? cos I reviewed a gig of his a few years ago and it was like chiptune trance and everyone else in the room was under 20, i didn't even hate it but it was fkn weird

conceptwave

re: all this stuff that has mutated sideways out of hypnagogia/whatever on the Internet - seapunk/witchhouse/chillwave... I can see a gimmicky, faddish side to some of it (especially as a lot of Net kids adopt the witchhouse end and bring a more fickle mindset), but I think that comes with the terrain and medium (online culture, memecraft). and the more online the aesthetic and process gets, the more the sub-genres and memes within that scene take on an imagistic, one-dimensional, disposable quality - like Net 2.0/4chan memes - and the tone around them gets sillier

that said, I tend to find stuff like this interesting. arguably one of the few new/now-ish exercises in genre/scene right now, so I feel more inclined to be supportive (def not going to wave it off as not being 'real' art or a 'real genre' or whatever). and while I personally prefer the deeper end of drone/ethereal/noise/psych to most of this more disposable memewave stuff, I'm kind of fascintated to see what all these kids are going to do with the idea of Net music/meme music...

finally a genre as culturally relevant as 4chan memes

goofy genre name + outfits is pretty much the classic recipe for "get attention, but not in any kind of good way"

well if branding your underground / amateurish / shoddy music differently by dressing up weird isn't worthy of derision i don't know what is

well see that's kind of how new art movements work though. it's called aesthetics.

But except for the occasional water sound, there's really nothing that distinguishes it as a sonic vocabulary from other underground US bass music of the past few years

well aside from the iconography and band names and shit the samples tilt it equally in the direction of like new age tapes/eccojams/kassette klub weirdo synth stuff

Which differs them from say Nguzunguzu or Fatima al Qadiri how? Not that there aren't differences, but those aren't it. (I'd pin those differences down on richer depths of influences on Nguzu & and FAQ's parts.)

to V: I guess I tend to prefer my dance music a bit rough and amateurish in general? I often get v suspicious of the more polished end of it.

yeah but this stuff doesn't really challenge my notions of beauty so much as it fails my subjective criteria of not being wack, believe that's called aesthetic judgment in technical parlance

fair enough

well i mean as much as the timesup ep cover looks like rejected art for one of dylan ettingers old tapes they arent sampling ecco the dolphin or referencing the startropics theme in their remixes. like all this stuff shares an aesthetic and a palette to some degree but i think its hard to argue that #seapunk isnt musically a little closer to some el tule cassette ca. 2009 than other 'underground bass music'

rev i understand what you're saying esp w/r/t to that ballroom chant / neovogue stuff you like (which i can't get with but i can respect) but this is kinda beyond the pale for me

i guess every generation gets the electroclash it deserves (yes i have skeletons in my closet)

yeah, that really wasn't so much a defense of this stuff so much as just saying "oh no, this sounds amateurish" probably isn't going to get you far against a guy who's currently geeking out over jersey club

xp tbf, you completely lost me with your references there, but i'll roll with it

they arent sampling ecco the dolphin or referencing the startropics theme in their remixes.

i guess i'm just not up on my video game music haha. if i've heard this shit it's gone over my head.

haha fair enough

i guess my point is that the cultural referencing thats going on in #seapunk is functioning similarly to the referencing going on in lots of post-noize/post-anco underground music of the last few years and lends the music a similarly distorting, mediated feel. whereas stuff like nguzunguzu isnt musically referencing sega genesis games or vhs soundtracks or w/e at all

right right

we did have this discussion about playstation aesthetics here tho fatima al qadiri ILM edition, (+ ayshay)

i guess this kind of ties into the ferraro wars too, altho he's not my thing at all

yeah this stuff has been seeping out of the fuck it tapes/not not fun/root strata underground and towards the edges of more mainstream stuff for like the last half decade, i find it super interesting and i think that as it gets absorbed by different genres/kids/scenes the referencing and the references themselves change but its interesting to see how strong the commonalities are too. fwiw tho i dont think al qadiris stuff really 'works' in the same way that like curtis vodkas does although both are much more directly interested in melody and ~dance~ than like 'far side virtual' or w/e

naff fest 2012

lol @ fest

yeah, i was thinking about this on my walk (saddest thing i've typed on ilx all year), and it occurred to me the seapunk kids have a kinship with teengirl fantasy, miracles club, mi ami, 100% silk and the rise of HIPSTER HOUSE: S/D that nguzu/al qadiri/et al don't, and i see you've brought up NNF.

but it's all tiny degrees of separation anyway. le1f had a couple instrumentals on #seapunk volume 1 and nguzunguzu worked on his album.

yeah, it's all coming from that tape/drone/post-noise scene/aesthetic... things are just growing off in slightly different directions: psych/freakout/jam, dreamy/ethereal/media/hypnagogic, pure noise/drones, noise-goes-dance, and then all this post-witchhouse/chillwave/memepop stuff... sea/ice/slime-punk etc

All of this stuff is at least theoretically fashionable and in some ways trading off its naffness in a way that modern ska totally isn't.

^^ OTM

Stay focused, people

Wouldn't say any of this stuff is my thing exactly but don't dislike any of it (or its aesthetic) - def don't see it as naff (on the one hand this means its likely to become naff at any time once the wind changes but on the other hand this just seems a continuation of stuff thats been going on since...idk 2004?)

anyway answer is whatever that music that alkan and justice and those play (played?)

and Luciano isn't a genre but if he was....

All of this stuff is at least theoretically fashionable and in some ways trading off its naffness in a way that modern ska totally isn't.

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tru

skanking is not legitimate dancing

I tend to think any physical/kinetic response to music is "legitimate" dancing.

what about the physical response of clapping your hands over your ears when you hear ska