crabcore
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
emo is made for teenagers
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
I want to invent a genre called blimeycore
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
think Pete Doherty beat you to the punch there
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
ska's fine. not necessarily something people need to be recreating, but like most historical genres, excellent in its time, place and way.
tons of annoying genres out there:
happy hardcorescreamosurf rocktrip hopnu metal & rap rockchiptunejam band
etc.
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
realise he's not at the peak of credibility himself now but apparently Tiga was on 6music a few weeks back doing a two-hour psytrance mix
I only know about it cos ppl mentioned it on Facebook so idk what his deal was
― W. E. B. Du Bois Goals Panel (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
hmm the true termite-annoyance has to be cover bands imo
i'm struggling to come around to a populist/popist defense of them but i just can't
― goole, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
happy hardcore - fucking excellent die if you disagreescreamo - don't know what this is reallysurf rock - yeah i guesstrip hop - fucking a what wd broadsheet music crits have to sneer at if this didn't exist?nu metal & rap rock - frequently enjoyable, i was wrong about them in the pastchiptune - kind of harmless nerdster scene, occasionally inspires actual musicjam band - lol weed
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
i like covers bands because sometimes they are enjoyable to watch in a pub round the corner from yr house in a way that the people they are covering probly wouldn't be
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
I can't hate surf rock - must be a generational/local thing
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
i've wanted to do a thread on cover bands for a while! sort of like the 'bar bands of the 70s' thread but more point-and-laugh obv
― goole, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
i was ambiguous, i don't think surf rock is terrible.
i always find myself saying it but it's not genres that give pain, it's people who live for a scene that weird me out
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
cover bands = classic, when it's a bunch of white-haired dads practicing in the garage and playing shows at bars like a bunch of teenagers
i still like happy hardcore and trip hop, sort of played out but not naff at all
evangelical christian rock / folk / singer-songwriter = very very naff
cosigning though on surf rock, chiptune and jam bands
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
wrt covers bands: I would rather see a band of mediocre talents and imagination play songs written by talented imaginative musicians than songs they wrote themselves.
― NSFW Australia (seandalai), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
nobody mentioned seapunk yet?
even the OG surf rock is only good for about three tunes
and when you compare them to contemporaneous instrumental stuff like link wray ...
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
come on, seapunk is not a real genre
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
there's a taxonomy to cover bands; there's party bands (the broadest), genre-centered cover bands, band-centered tribute bands, some strictly musical, others going for the whole look.
then there are more conceptual cover bands who have some kind of angle, like the kiss band that's all little people, or 'lez zeppelin' etc
round here there was a band called metallagher that, yup, played metallica and smashed fruit onstage
xp yes i don't anyone on earth has mentioned seapunk is the thing
― goole, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
or 'kissfits', half dressed like kiss the other like the misfits and they played both bands' songs
― goole, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
it's people who live for a scene that weird me out
Even as a kid all the ppl who doubled down on whatever youth culture genre they were into struck me as, well, immature. Liking the scene I get, even being influenced, okay, but trying to be the punkest of the punk or the ska-ist of the ska is just nagl esp when it gets co-opted and just turns into being a rliable customer of the required brands.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
pretty sure a lot of single-band covers bands end up being tighter than the guys they're emulating, cf. that time Phil Collins played along with a Genesis tribute band and found it really hard to play some of his old prog stuff.
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
ha that's like a heartbreaking short story
― goole, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
Well, a band's songs reflect a moment in their progression. For a cover band there's no progression to anything but competence.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
seapunk = kids who got together witch house / chillwave "bands", suddenly realized the triangle trend is dying, desperately trying to figure out some way to stand out from the pack
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
i once saw a frank zappa cover band that i'm pretty sure blew away the OGs (ok there was one of the OGs fronting the band)
would like to see a mayhem cover band
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
if evangelical christian folk includes Mumford and Sons then i'm cosigning this one
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
is there a steampunk genre yet? i know there's two or three bands out there...
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
what would that even sound like? i'm imagining NIN with music hall on the PA while they tune up
― goole, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
it sounds like bottles being hurled at the stage in my head
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
welp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abney_Park_%28band%29
Becoming Steampunk
In early 2006, Abney Park transformed themselves from a largely goth industrial band into a steampunk band.
― goole, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
that's one of the bands i was thinking of
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
Dresden Dolls were steampunk, yes?
― fruitsbs (beachville), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
Gramophone distortion
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
Oddly enough I wanted to like Dresden Dolls. I went to see them and they and their audience annoyed me so much I gave my rather good seat to a pretty girl and left.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
I heard Unicorn Kid was Seapunk?
I loved his EP from late last year.
There is a Seapunk night in Melbourne, should I go?
― Tim F, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
Steampunk… band? o.O
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
Is seapunk where you get a tattoo of a gold earring or eyepatch?
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
surf rock - yeah i guess
I'm a bit biased since I'm in a band that plays some surf/instro stuff, but I've never had a bad time with anything Los Straitjackets or Shadowy Men On A Shadowy Planet-related. And Los Twang Marvels rock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7FEfqy1Xg8&feature=relmfu
― Advanced Uncle Meat recovery system (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
you should show up and request glowwave traxx
― Lamp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
u should go in a yellow fluoro body glove springsuit
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
djent?
― owenf, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
anyway the naffest genre in 2012 is 'drake'
― Lamp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1p1ugl8iH1rsnvc2o1_500.png
― Tim F, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
more like ctrl-z amirite
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
oh wait that says ctrix not ctrl-x
#haircut
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
Keith Party! features and strangely pays homage to a friend of mine (and former ILX poster / grime fan) Keith McDougall.
Though when they played on our tv show it seemed more like some kind of impromptu student happening primarily influenced by (a) Beastie Boys and (b) T-Shirt's "You Sexy Thing" than anything I could or would describe as "seapunk".
But 3 years is a long time I guess.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
Oh okay, they're the same, but with more synths:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2KSFCyWo9U
― Tim F, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
I... cannot endorse this. Sorry Keith!
― Tim F, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
lol
i would probably go to a seapunk nite tho it could be fun
― Lamp, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
anyway if you want legitimately danceable rockin-out guitar music i recommend you get into some brooks & dunn
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
for more information about #seapunk i recommend this I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX thread
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=52&threadid=90812&action=showall&bookmarkedmessageid=3336897
― max, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
The whole seapunk backlash thing is funny to me. I heard the #seapunk Volume 1 comp before that Chicago reader article and Max and Whiney picked it up and it's mostly pretty good! Like awesome remixes of Mary J. Blige and stuff. But except for the occasional water sound, there's really nothing that distinguishes it as a sonic vocabulary from other underground US bass music of the past few years. It's really just some kids who are doing similar stuff musically to what other people are doing, who decided to brand themselves differently and dress up weird.
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
before Max and Whiney picked it up as a punchline*
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:40 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH5dBBvsnVM
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
That said, I won't vouch for Tim's friend that's run with the label.
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago) link
goofy genre name + outfits is pretty much the classic recipe for "get attention, but not in any kind of good way"
― some dude, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago) link
well if branding your underground / amateurish / shoddy music differently by dressing up weird isn't worthy of derision i don't know what is
― the late great, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
well see that's kind of how new art movements work though. it's called aesthetics.
― Chris S, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:51 (twelve years ago) link
But except for the occasional water sound, there's really nothing that distinguishes it as a sonic vocabulary from other underground US bass music of the past few years
well aside from the iconography and band names and shit the samples tilt it equally in the direction of like new age tapes/eccojams/kassette klub weirdo synth stuff
― Lamp, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
Which differs them from say Nguzunguzu or Fatima al Qadiri how? Not that there aren't differences, but those aren't it. (I'd pin those differences down on richer depths of influences on Nguzu & and FAQ's parts.)
to V: I guess I tend to prefer my dance music a bit rough and amateurish in general? I often get v suspicious of the more polished end of it.
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:01 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but this stuff doesn't really challenge my notions of beauty so much as it fails my subjective criteria of not being wack, believe that's called aesthetic judgment in technical parlance
― the late great, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago) link
fair enough
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
well i mean as much as the timesup ep cover looks like rejected art for one of dylan ettingers old tapes they arent sampling ecco the dolphin or referencing the startropics theme in their remixes. like all this stuff shares an aesthetic and a palette to some degree but i think its hard to argue that #seapunk isnt musically a little closer to some el tule cassette ca. 2009 than other 'underground bass music'
― Lamp, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago) link
rev i understand what you're saying esp w/r/t to that ballroom chant / neovogue stuff you like (which i can't get with but i can respect) but this is kinda beyond the pale for me
i guess every generation gets the electroclash it deserves (yes i have skeletons in my closet)
― the late great, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, that really wasn't so much a defense of this stuff so much as just saying "oh no, this sounds amateurish" probably isn't going to get you far against a guy who's currently geeking out over jersey club
xp tbf, you completely lost me with your references there, but i'll roll with it
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:13 (twelve years ago) link
they arent sampling ecco the dolphin or referencing the startropics theme in their remixes.
i guess i'm just not up on my video game music haha. if i've heard this shit it's gone over my head.
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago) link
haha fair enough
i guess my point is that the cultural referencing thats going on in #seapunk is functioning similarly to the referencing going on in lots of post-noize/post-anco underground music of the last few years and lends the music a similarly distorting, mediated feel. whereas stuff like nguzunguzu isnt musically referencing sega genesis games or vhs soundtracks or w/e at all
― Lamp, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago) link
right right
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:24 (twelve years ago) link
we did have this discussion about playstation aesthetics here tho fatima al qadiri ILM edition, (+ ayshay)
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago) link
i guess this kind of ties into the ferraro wars too, altho he's not my thing at all
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago) link
yeah this stuff has been seeping out of the fuck it tapes/not not fun/root strata underground and towards the edges of more mainstream stuff for like the last half decade, i find it super interesting and i think that as it gets absorbed by different genres/kids/scenes the referencing and the references themselves change but its interesting to see how strong the commonalities are too. fwiw tho i dont think al qadiris stuff really 'works' in the same way that like curtis vodkas does although both are much more directly interested in melody and ~dance~ than like 'far side virtual' or w/e
― Lamp, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:46 (twelve years ago) link
naff fest 2012
― the late great, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:53 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ fest
― Lamp, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i was thinking about this on my walk (saddest thing i've typed on ilx all year), and it occurred to me the seapunk kids have a kinship with teengirl fantasy, miracles club, mi ami, 100% silk and the rise of HIPSTER HOUSE: S/D that nguzu/al qadiri/et al don't, and i see you've brought up NNF.
but it's all tiny degrees of separation anyway. le1f had a couple instrumentals on #seapunk volume 1 and nguzunguzu worked on his album.
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 02:12 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, it's all coming from that tape/drone/post-noise scene/aesthetic... things are just growing off in slightly different directions: psych/freakout/jam, dreamy/ethereal/media/hypnagogic, pure noise/drones, noise-goes-dance, and then all this post-witchhouse/chillwave/memepop stuff... sea/ice/slime-punk etc
― Chris S, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 02:25 (twelve years ago) link
All of this stuff is at least theoretically fashionable and in some ways trading off its naffness in a way that modern ska totally isn't.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 09:21 (twelve years ago) link
^^ OTM
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 09:47 (twelve years ago) link
Stay focused, people
Wouldn't say any of this stuff is my thing exactly but don't dislike any of it (or its aesthetic) - def don't see it as naff (on the one hand this means its likely to become naff at any time once the wind changes but on the other hand this just seems a continuation of stuff thats been going on since...idk 2004?)
― coal, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 09:52 (twelve years ago) link
anyway answer is whatever that music that alkan and justice and those play (played?)
― coal, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 09:56 (twelve years ago) link
and Luciano isn't a genre but if he was....
― coal, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 09:57 (twelve years ago) link
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:21 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tru
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
skanking is not legitimate dancing
I tend to think any physical/kinetic response to music is "legitimate" dancing.
― pizza pizza and cult jam (crüt), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
what about the physical response of clapping your hands over your ears when you hear ska
― the late great, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link