jenny mccarthy wants your kid to get measles: autism, vaccines, and stupid idiots

poor dude that wrote this book gets death threats

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/13/health/13auti.html?_r=1&ref=science&pagewanted=print

ha, that article is what prompted this thread, btw

that and i started immunology today

these antivaccine people remind me of those who thought letterboxing was blocking out parts of films they had seen in the theater

my mom brought us over to our cousin's house when i was five when they had chicken pox so we could maybe get it. . .LOL didn't work, i got it when i was in high school and it suuuuucked

who is worse: creationists or these anti vaccine people

i think the original study's based on like twenty kids or something? and the scientist opposed larger study samples because the range causes anomolous results. man.

xp i think it's just because chickenpox is a motherfucker when you're old

anti-vaccine people

x-post

18. Other ways to detoxify. Some doctors use and/or recommend other methods of detoxification including homeopathy, infrared sauna therapy, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, exercise, magnetic beds, herbal teas, and many more.

these people might be worse, insofar as not getting vaccines can be dangerous to public health and creationism is just dangerous to your ability to be not an idiot

xp i think it's just because chickenpox is a motherfucker when you're old

no shit, this is what i was saying. my mom was trying to have us get it when we were younger and it didn't work

anti- vaccine ppls. creationists have been around for a few thousand years.

it didn't work=obv. my cousins weren't contagious enough.

or maybe you're blaming them for your inability to get sick

you failure

maybe i should have eaten their pox scabs like Mom suggested

or maybe they weren't contagious anymore

these antivaccine people remind me of those who thought letterboxing was blocking out parts of films they had seen in the theater

― shook pwns (omar little), Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:48 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hahaha otm

kennedy jr. seems like a good guy at first but the more you read about him the more you realize dude is kinda creepy

The ILM "last.fm" thread would suggest McCarthy has a lot of work ahead of her.

loud LOL

pretty sure these will also cure pretty much anything: http://www.quantumagewater.com/

maybe i should have eaten their pox scabs like Mom suggested

― Mr. Que, Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:53 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

The concept of immunity may have existed long before [Thucydides], as suggested by the ancient Chinese custom of making children resistant to smallpox by having them inhale powders made from the skin lesions of patients recovering from the disease.

^^^^ from my textbook!

it's fun to make fun of britishers for having royalty and stuff but the fact that this doctor guy in the NYT article can't state his position without getting death threats is majorly fucked up

xpost: lolllllllllllllllllll

My school has let us help out at some big free public flu vaccination events. The first time I did it, it was offered free to kids and families, and adults had to pay like $25 or something. A woman asked us if she could get the vaccine for free if she came back with her grandson, except that the grandson wouldn't be getting a flu shot, just her. I wanted to yell very loudly "SERIOUSLY THEY TOOK THIMEROSAL OUT OF VACCINES IN BRITAIN AND AUTISM WENT UP!" But I did not.

She did not end up getting a vaccine, since she was unwilling to give us $25 or let her grandson get autism from our poisonous needles. I would have been more concerned about letting a first-year med student inject you using a technique learned roughly one hour beforehand, but that's just me.

hmmmm...this reminds me of back when spin magazine kept saying there was no connection between HIV and AIDS

Oh, that belief is still around and fueled largely by the work of Peter Duesberg at Berkley. Mbeki used Duesberg's work to advise his AIDS policies in SA.

http://www.duesberg.com/index.html

I just found out that another famous AIDS denialist (and Duesberg follower) Christine Maggiore died of pneumonia a couple of weeks ago. Her daughter whom she never had tested or treated for HIV, died at age 3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Maggiore

i saw some shit on the today show about how they have "chicken pox" parties where ppl send their kids to some kid's house who has chicken pox to try and see if their kids can catch it or something...is that part of this whole anti-vaccine thing?

― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:41 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

nah, that's basically just natural vaccination ie acquired immunity.

― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:45 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i remember parents doing this in the 70s and 80s. it was just a way to be sure your kid didnt get c.pox later when it would be much worse. so, yeah, what gbx said.

or maybe they weren't contagious anymore

maybe they weren't really contagious ;)

I was invited to some chicken pox parties when I was a kid but my mom held out in hopes a vaccine would come along so I wouldn't have to catch it at all...ended up getting it in 5th grade, i think the vaccine had been rolled out about the same time

I had it when I was four so badly that it was down my throat and under my eyelids. The kids in the hood should have come over my house, I probably could have infected the whole town.

I had chickenpox and the mumps as a kid, bleugh.

Interesting that you started this thread just today, gbx, as it looks like the British Journal of Psychology is coming out with an article tying autism to exposure to high levels of testosterone in the womb.

I went to a local chiropractor recently to get a massage and there was a whole anti-vaccination book in the lobby. It was impressively badly written, and included the point that vaccines may not even work, as there has "never been" a study comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated people's disease rates. I am not sure I can pay money to get a massage there again, because the massage was awesome, but I don't want to give money to stupid people.

my wife is a virologist and this shit makes her foam at the mouth

btw this was touched on a bit but not too much on this thread: wrongheaded pop medical movements/diagnoses

and this one

IT aspies

so sick of jenny mccarthy milking her kids autism for 15 more minutes of fame.

― sanskrit, Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:14 PM (8 months ago)

she blames diets
she blames the vaccines
but she never seems to blame all the dicks she took in the 90s

― sanskrit, Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:14 PM (8 months ago)

^^^^ REALEST OF TALK

I wonder if people get involved with this movement just because deep down they're terrified of needles.

I had a moral crisis over thanksgiving because my sister-in-law was like "can you copy a couple DVDs for me?" and I said "sure" thinking it was gonna be a copy of baby mama or something and she dropped off some crazyass anti-vaccine DVDs. to maintain family peace I held my tongue and kept telling myself that anybody with any sense isn't gonna be swayed by this bullshit.

a couple i'm very good friends w/ have a young daughter and are kind of buying this bullshit and i think skimping on her vaccines or intending to in the future, and it really takes all the willpower i have not to get into a shouting match with them about this because man you don't wanna tell people how to raise their kids, especially when you're not a parent yourself

I really try to be respectful when discussing this with people, but I do find it frustrating because unfortunately when enough people stop vaccinating, the risk for those diseases they have chosen to not vaccinate goes up even to people who have been vaccinated. (Not to mention the people who, for whatever reason, cannot receive those particular vaccines - i.e. allergy to eggs or immunosuppression, etc.)

BTW ZS: I might be wrong about the book! Maybe crazy aunt lady said she saw McCarthy *appear* on Oprah. I dunno. I'd had a few drinks.

I just found out that another famous AIDS denialist (and Duesberg follower) Christine Maggiore died of pneumonia a couple of weeks ago. Her daughter whom she never had tested or treated for HIV, died at age 3.

I started following Christine Maggiore about 10 years ago when I first went into HIV/AIDS primary care and thought, "she's gonna kill a lot of people" and damned if she didn't. When I heard that she had a 2nd kid, declined the AZT, and breastfed, I knew one of 'em would end up dead.

The LA Times did a great piece on her after LJ's death and Respectful Insolence has had a lot of posts on her and the AIDS denial movement since her death.

Kate - thanks for those links. I can't believe that I hadn't heard about her death until this evening. It'll def be interesting to read RI posts about the topic.

a - i have never had chicken pox, which i hope means that i got it as an infant and no one noticed, otherwise o_O
b - these antivaccine people are stunningly dumb fucks

As far as the antivaccine fuckwads go, they are usually the people who think they are oh-so-progressive by not vaccinating their kids. How progressive is it to allow the rest of your community to assume the low risk vaccines pose so you can benefit from herd immunity? Assholes.

As much as I don't want to see little children get sick and die for their parent's misguided convictions, I think it's gonna take a big, scary epidemic of a previously-bygone disease to kill a bunch of upper-middle class kids to get this quackery to die out. And the worst thing is that it's not a matter of 'if', it's a matter of 'when'.

xpost, no prob ENBB!
John Justen, get vaccinated tomorrow.

Let me also take this chance, as the ilxor public health nurse, to remind everyone to have their boosters. I diagnosed a whooping cough epidemic at my college radio station last year, so git those shots!

Wait, people are taking anecdotal evidence from a pornstar over the opinion of the majority of doctors?

I know it's pretty cliche but seriously wtf USA?

i think you are thinking of jenna jameson dude

To be fair, Jenny McCarthy is apparently Jim Carrey's girlfriend, which gives her a bit more fame than she'd otherwise have.

Also, yes, McCarthy has a book out about autism and "curing" her son; I caught her on Oprah one afternoon. She makes me cringe.

John, I can't believe you haven't gotten that vaccine yet, ffs.

Yeah isnt Jenny Mccarthy from 90210 or something?

jenny mccarthy will always & forever just be that girl on that dating show on mtv.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy#Compulsory_vaccination

Scroll to the US specific part

Vaccination policy is entirely a local matter, not a federal one, afaik

Thanks!

Bout fuckin' time:

http://www.vox.com/2016/11/18/13676834/ftc-homeopathy-crackdown-regulation

The FTC’s policy statement explains that the agency will now ask that the makers of homeopathic drugs present reliable scientific evidence for their health claims if they want to sell them to consumers on the US market.

On how the post-truth, Trump-reality blows a harsh, cold wind on the European mainland too: yesterday our most popular late night show had three 'concerned anti-vaxxer mums' at the table, against one actual vaccination expert. Three morans against one person who actually knew what she was talking about. Needless to say, it's the mums that got traction on social media today. These are truly dark days.

I thought for sure this got bumped because Jenny McCarthy was named Surgeon General or something.

Lolololol

I love the FTC's new labeling suggestions from that article

An [over-the-counter] homeopathic drug claim that is not substantiated by competent and reliable scientific evidence might not be deceptive if the advertisement or label where it appears effectively communicates that: 1) there is no scientific evidence that the product works; and 2) the product’s claims are based only on theories of homeopathy from the 1700s that are not accepted by most modern medical experts.

I used to work in a pharmacy back in another long ago life, and the pharmacist himself was very scathing about all the homeopathic hoo haa he sold. When I asked why he sold it, he was quite happy to admit he'd part fools from their money.

Noted Antivaxxer RFKJR. being favored by DJT for guess what:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html?_r=0

On NBC News, sources say, "No decisions have been made at this time", about forming the committee or appointing Kennedy, although he says they've approached him.

ship in story owned and operated by the church of scientology (tho sadly not the SEA ORG)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cruise-ship-st-lucia-quarantined-over-confirmed-measles-case-n1000751?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

It's kind of amazing how quickly anti-vaxxers hopped on the Hydroxychloroquine train.

But I guess not so much because Quacks.

it's also hilarious because their whole thing is the supposed negative effects of vaccines, and the side effects of hydroxychloroquine are worse

was it this morning or yesterday morning? I popped into facebook to see what misery everyone was knee-deep in, and a friend who's been pretty good about keeping all his other friends wallowing in his same sort of misery shared a thing about some new Federal Nurse Official or something? that Don appointed? who apparently people found out once said something about alien DNA and getting sick from having sex with demons? it's 2020 so I kinda read it and went heh yeah figures and took it as fact and went on with my day

Madonna of course

https://www.vulture.com/2020/07/madonnas-coronavirus-post-flagged-by-instagram.html?utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=vulture&utm_source=tw

two of my friends have had their Rx company state they can't give them enough for a 90 day supply of their hydrochloroquine thanks to shortages due to people who don't need it abusing it for this shit.

"people don't want to hear the truth", she said.

yeah, our ignorance of the "truth" is really blissful right now. life has never been better!

Antivaxxers are the biggest, most heartless ghouls. I've never seen people who celebrate the death of strangers more. pic.twitter.com/65Tx3azGGS

— Mike Rothschild (@rothschildmd) March 26, 2022

To be fair, the Foo Fighters were also ghouls for their AIDS denialism.

Children's Health Defense, RFK Jr.'s anti-vaxx org, was banned on Facebook and Insta today for "misinformation that could cause physical harm." pic.twitter.com/x0AHNeZ8Jj

— Brandy Zadrozny (@BrandyZadrozny) August 18, 2022

I'm still 1000% pro-vax, but beware careless jabbers -- my wife got shingles shot #1 a couple of months ago and the jabber placed it too high on her arm, getting her in the tendon instead of just the muscle, so now she's got SIRVA/tendonitis and is in constant low-level pain. A course of steroids brought down the inflammation and gave her pain relief for a few days but that was only temporary, and she's going to PT for six weeks which ain't gon' be free. When they're swabbing you pre-shot, take note if they seem to be higher up than just deltoid.

jesus christ!

I'm sorry to hear this man. A close friend of mine had the SAME thing happen. He was getting caught up on his shots, and IIRC his doctor said the nurse who usually did it for him was out, but he said he could do it for him and messed up. He's better now, but it was a slow recovery.

yeah, I had a shot that aggravated stuff in my shoulder, hurt pretty much all last year, ended up in PT for a couple months. It's better now, but not 100%. I don't think it was strictly caused by the shot, it was a preexisting injury that only started to hurt after I got the vax.

I've been reading up a bit on SIRVA and it seems to be very underreported/underdiagnosed. I wonder how many problems cited by antivaxxers are badly placed jabs misunderstood to be something else.