Hard to categorize rock/jazz/'experimental' but not really fusion crossover records by jazz dudes

he had a lot of good covers

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7f/Firefly_(Jeremy_Steig_album).jpg

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Wow! Never saw most of those. Should also mention Hal Willner's gathering of various tribes in the 80s, esp for various wild takes on Weill,via Lost In The Stars (and later September Songs. Stay Awake was more uneven, but Sun Ra and Tom Waits had no prob with those Disney songs. Willner also produced the TV series Night Music; no doubt some of it's been on YouTube. Miles, Maria McKee, gee, you never knew who'd show up for the party. Al Green looked totally disgusted by Sun Ra's Arkestra, and just went BANG! BANG! BANG! on his cowbell (Syd Straw laughing wildly, her glasses rolling around). But when I played the audiotape back, he fit perfectly--sorry bout that Al! Mind you, having Charlie Haden behind Nick Cave's portentous ass on "The Mercy Seat" was so wrong--although Charlie looked amused, fortunately. But Sonny Rollins with Leonard Cohen fuckin' ruled Also pertaining to this thread:

http://991.com/newgallery/Sonny-Rollins-Nucleus-529197.jpg

Yeah, here's Sonny on Night Music w L.Cohen: "Who By Fire"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2T274bXIxU

> Hard to categorize ...

Orchester Gustav Brom - präludium
from 'Missa Jazz' on MPS

> Bill Plummer & Cosmic Brotherhood

love the cover: barefooted man in suit

Is Ayler just too obvious for y'all?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJAq_1OyO7o

Never got round to New Grass but from that track its still too much in that obvious 'free' manner.

On further reflection tho' I love the thread concept - never spent too long w/fusion but like how this is stated in a way that allows for fusion-y and free-ish stuff to co-exist...so need to investigate some of the tracks a bit more.

xyzzz, did you make it past the first 30 seconds?

yeah, the sung part and then funk-type backing aren't given much space by Ayler

yeah, like that Moon Man record i mentioned by Charles Lloyd is perfect for this thread. respected young post-bop jazz sax player makes completely bonkers...uh...rock? record.

but then i kinda cheated by posting something like that Friends album which is John Abercrombie and other young weirdos. It is a mix of things, but its not like the people who made it were well-known for doing other things first. they were young.

i like anomalies in people's catalogs.

speaking of early hybrids, john abercrombie was a part of stark reality. 1969. rock/funk/jazz/everything music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6oxjz7KPz8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnWxqyfdakY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o86Ffwcc6Zk

All of this really goes to further illustrate how deep the jazz well goes. You can get to know some rock or some punk but there is just a planet load of crazy jazz that was cut in the age of the LP.

Part of it is alot of this stuff never came back in the CD age, so large swaths of it are probably not easy to find.

Someone unscrupulous or someone beneficent should put together some box sets of this kind of thing.

this is hard to categorize - like gil evans meets ez listening and 70s tv commercial soundtracks? also includes orchestrated take on "birds of fire"

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haaha

http://991.com/newGallery/Don-Sebesky-Giant-Box-382636.jpg

Are we going for jazz ventures into rock cos there are several covers of things by Coltrane etc by people from the rock side of things.
Like The Corporation doing India & Mighty Baby doing the same song which is also the basis of Eight Miles High by The Byrds + covered by East Of Eden.

There is a major jazz influence in the improvisation of the San Francisco bands from the BAllroom scene. I've always heard it as jazz into rock, way before the formation of jazzrock. Also 13th Floor Elevators' Easter Everywhere's instrumental interplay always reminds me of smallgroup jazz stuff but played on electric instruments.
Ten Years After sound like they take as much from bebop as the blues on their first couple of lps, not sure if that influence fades much after they became better recognised after Woodstock.

Have to bung in the Gun Club's garage version of A Love Supreme somewhere in this thread. You can get it on that misleadingly titled Death Party live set the one out on the French record label. Think it's a line-up featuring Patricia Morrison and Ward Dotson.

Also want to bring up Love, Devotion, Surrender the SAntana/Mclaughlin lp. There are various live sets from a tour supporting that lp too that are worth seeking out.
Is Santana between III and Lotus too close to actual fusion cos it tends to be pretty great Latinate Bitches Brewisms

Plus Mclaughlin's 2nd solo lp Devotion is pretty great. Hendrixy material though I'm not sure which release has the best sound. I remember reading an Alan Douglas Wire interview where he talks about the master tapes having to be reconstructed after some accident. & that he had pioneered the technique he later sued on the controversial Hendrix releases on reconstruction but I've never been able to find any further details on that. Always wondered if anybody else had heard anything along those lines and could elucidate.

To me, there's rock appeal in Ayler's tracks w electric violinist Michael Sampson, esp when they're stess-testing traditional American musical materials, and themselves--check for inst that box set sampler from several years back. In terms of xpost catalog anomalies, this is also a fine example--not that jazz doesn't have a still-developing tradition of interacting with country music, but most unusual for a hard-bop visionary, esp in 1957, way out in front of bass and drums and nothing else--don't fence him in!
http://www.pittsburghmagazine.com/Pittsburgh-Magazine/September-2010/Way-Out-West/SonnyRollins.jpg

Good thinking on that Rollins LP! Would never have thought of that one

Oh yeah, something we were talking about on the recent thread re Lou Reed's The Bells: Don Cherry's on that album, ditto Between Thought And Expression. Also, Ornette's on The Raven, and seven takes of "Guilty," accompanied by a dif instrument or part on each http://www.loureed.com/guilty/

On the other hand, I think jazz has had a very strong and underacknowledged influence on country music via western swing, guitarists like Chet Atkins, etc.

I think it goes both ways and it sometimes seems like neither side wants to acknowledge the other.

Good points - trying to think of 'jazz' LPs (as in, filed in jazz and not western swing) with country steel guitar ... must be some, right? (Sleep-deprived so nothing's coming immediately to mind)

There's definitely a Rex Stewart track from the 40s with pedal steel...but I can't for the life of me remember what it's called.

Greg Leisz has played pedal steel w Bill Frisell quite a bit in the last few years, like in their concert tribute to the endlessly resourceful Speedy West, don't think they've released an album of that yet, ditto (last time I checked) their live soundtrack for The Great Flood, Bill Morrison's film of found newsreel footage (time-scorched nitrate). But check some of Frisell's albums already out--I can't keep up with him!

Steel player I've seen in New Orleans, Dave Easley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LQo0FVLWt8&feature=related

Now I'm wishing Miles had opted for a steel instead of a sitar, that would have been most excellent

Also want to start a 'weird Indian classical' LP thread with the people who do ragas on piano and steel guitar

yo, dudes, check this shit out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9G7VG1lB8c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqQ0CMi2DH4

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pretty ill and threatening.

Loving the track titles on that one, must find

i'd never heard that dizzy album until today. man, gotta be one of the funkiest records on Pablo. sounds so great on the hi-fi. i love lalo to pieces. what a genius.

and i've never heard that freddie hubbard thing!

Dear god

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR4nMlOQ5xY

looks like Skot is the only one who ever posted about this but yeah

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu92/damien_stone/icarus.jpg

have become kinda obsessed with this one lately, proto-new age/world/jazz/rock produced by George Martin, sitar (played by their conga guy?!) on 'Ode to a Fillmore Dressing Room' slays me.

Yeah, that was kind of at the crossroads of what some called The New Acoustic Music (Grisman called his approach dawg music)and new age--like world music, not quite an established musical/marketing category yet. Oregon's Music Of Another Present Era was another late-night FM fave, along with Icarus--also Codona's stuff, but I think one of their key members got killed on the road. Oregon has gotten back together occasionally.

David Murray has recorded at least one album of Grateful Dead songs (wanna say there's two, but can only find Dark Star at the moment). he also recorded with them live, and you can stream it from dead.net, though I don't feel like negotiating with my firewall at the moment--not that I don't trust Grateful Dead Radio, but what if something else is waiting--anyway, I'm told that the Dead weren't quite up to Murray at this point ('93), but here's one with his own Octet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoXiWIaJmbs

And another

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4-hKESDh6I

Ornette Coleman played w the Dead too; not seeing that, but here's Garcia w Coleman & Prime Time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwQvcMQsOfU&feature=related

^ sounds like a timbaland beat

Not sure what to really categorize this stuff as, but Danny Gatton (guitar) and Buddy Emmons (pedal steel) did some pretty cool stuff as the Redneck Jazz Explosion:

Good footage (kinda crazy watching Gatton's hands)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGGE4CrPvjU

Softspot for this one too, though almost loungey at times:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKq7bb7Q-yk&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLCFB5766FE3473F36

speaking of paul winter, this belongs here too

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oh yeah, I forgot they did that w Elvin, talk about an extended range! Brave Oregon pioneers. Before I forget, Robert Randolph has been known to chase Trane on pedal steel, and he's once again on an Experience Hendrix tour. Turtle Island String Quartet has also covered Hendrix well, ditto Coltrane, a whole album of his songs, and ones he covered/ They've got that barefoot sound. And also before I forget, always liked this--Pavement transmuted, inspiration no longer seemingly offhanded, still cool
http://www.thedwarf.com.au/var/plain/storage/images/albumreviews/gold_sounds_james_carter_cyrus_chestnut_ali_jackson_and_reg_veal/773727-4-eng-GB/gold_sounds_james_carter_cyrus_chestnut_ali_jackson_and_reg_veal_album.jpg